"For those curious about God" or "Aliens create placenta"

Mon May 17, 2010 7:49 am » by **Punjedi**

Ok fair enough, part of this post was still in the mindset of a response to a different post.

I failed to re-write more as my opinion and not being pushy.

I still wrestle with not trying to push. Really, it's no harder than restraining yourself when someone says "Aliens don't exist"

I am sorry that some of my opinion does state more of a "Your wrong, I am right"

please understand I am always learning.

I really just boil it down to passion. When you have passion about anything you tend to want to share no? Just sucks that this is still by far the most challenging subject known to humans.

Mon May 17, 2010 7:55 am » by **Dukettt**

Seems like you are the bigger man here. ..sorry i got it going there for a moment.

Mon May 17, 2010 8:06 am » by **Punjedi**

... You ARE coming off preachy and obviously you did not get what you were looking for from your post.

Yes, again I agree I let my passion get ahold of me and reacted. Again, I apogize for that.

As far as getting what I was looking for? I did, I am getting responses from people telling me how they feel. Banter is awesome. Especially when in such a heated subject people can maintain a mature level of conversation.

I knew what to expect and I have no goal. You won't see me "preacherizing" any further, no harm in ruffling some feathers?

*edit* p.s. Please also keep in mind I tried to keep this to the most relevant topic I could find on the site. So as not to enrage some of the more devout science minded folk on here.

:cheers:

Mon May 17, 2010 3:23 pm » by **Cornbread714**

Here's the way I look at it sometimes (I'm always changing my mind - keeps it supple).

God, or whatever you want to call the creative force, is just too damn complicated for humans to grasp.

And when we start talking about "His" plan or "His" glory, I think we've already begun to dilute and distort whatever truth we are able to grasp.

Too much gets lost when we try to use language to describe the ineffable nature of this vastly complex multiverse we inhabit.

I think whatever you felt when you were on that riverbank is just as valid as anything anyone else feels, but when you filter it through language and your Judaeo-Christian viewpoint, it comes out sounding vapid and like yet another sermon of the type which we are all, no doubt, already familiar.

This is not to say that there is not such a thing as "God's grace" or "mercy", etc. - in other words, I think many people genuinely experience what they would call a personal relationship with God, and I think the most genuine of these people do not proselytize at all, but realize that living through example is the most powerful way to lead.

Anyway, I guess my point is that we get hindered by language and man-made definitions, and I have no doubt that even atheists and satanists are capable of being in awe of nature's glory, so where does that leave us?

Nature is just another small word that tries to encompass a vastness and complexity that one word can never contain.

Another quick point - I think we are on the verge of "creating" life, to some extent. Of course we will be using building blocks that were already here - but who can prove that we were not created as well by a lesser creator playing with the building blocks of a greater creator, just like we are doing now?

Mon May 17, 2010 3:51 pm » by **Mediasorcerer**

captainkarizma wrote:we are energy beings that are here to experience a different reality good or bad it really doesn't matter the survival instinct in every living thing is by design , fractal math, quantum physics. shows this is very probable. but as to a (GOD) I cannot with good conscience and being somewhat intelligent agree it was an all powerfull being that created our reality. I do however find it more satisfying to believe we create our reality so that we can experience life and its wonders that we cannot otherwise experience in our energy form (spirit) if you will. Think of what it would be like to live as a snail or a tree , space and time is relative soo to be something different than ourselves would be a totally different life experience , everything in our reality is ruled by one law and that is moderation , humans over populate the planet thus other speices must give way and go extinct. when our population decreases new speices will give rise.its not an equilibriam but moderation.

yeh,its simplistic to see god as a being full stop,thats not what the creative forces are ,its in beings[god/light/chi/life force etc]but its not a being,its the energy that binds the universe and all the elements in it together,universal energy is a better way to describe " god".

Mon May 17, 2010 4:29 pm » by **nm156**

I keep my ever evolveing understanding of a higher being above all, however I try keep it simple and honor thy Mother (Earth). For any one man to say that they understand God is blasphomy, since no one man can even understand the planet that sustains all life. IMO God is the subject to complicate all matters, God can not be questioned, it is what it is, LIFE live it.

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Mon May 17, 2010 5:00 pm » by **Punjedi**

nm156 wrote:I keep my ever evolveing understanding of a higher being above all, however I try keep it simple and honor thy Mother (Earth). For any one man to say that they understand God is blasphomy, since no one man can even understand the planet that sustains all life. IMO God is the subject to complicate all matters, God can not be questioned, it is what it is, LIFE live it.

It would be the folly of a fool if I for one second even began to claim that I understood God.

It is a shame that almost just those three letters G.O.D. can be the basis behind so much hate and anger in this world. How misguided people using His name to bolster their twisted ideals and beliefs so they can kill and control.

I am aware also of how, on the surface, most believers sound like shallow apes, so I always try and stay vigilante in the quest for knowledge as well. Too many years we have been inundated with "How Dare You..." type mentality. Bitter old men and women shelled up in closet homes with no desire to interact with all the people of this Earth.

I never mean to infer that by Him or He that I envision a man shaped being with glowing hot eyes. That's for hollywood to play on and make their dollars. Nor do I stand on any ground stating that I believe God is male, female or otherwise with gender.

I am not whole heartedly convinced that God can't be alien either. Maybe it is possible that a vastly ancient culture evolved from the mire and developed techonology that bridged the gap between bio and mech. After billions of years this race dabbles in creating life such as ourselves and had some motive we cannot fathom.

Looking at the facts and history. We do now know there have been ancient nuclear wars, massive planetary upheavels and shifts, and an asteroid belt that seems to indicate we had neighbors or a neighbor that no longer comes to visit

We also know that we have SO very MANY things leading and pointing to us humans having been visited for a very long time. So it could stand to reason that Jesus, and all the reports of aliens being depicted by the Egyptians, Mayans, Inca, and almost any and every other ancient culture you can find have depicted visitation or influence.

so, yes, I understand I sound naive and like I haven't done my research before I blindly added myself to the sheep of Christ, but I still keep a VERY open mind on what the possibilities could entail.

Not to mention that even in the bible and massive amounts of biblical art there are depictions of what could be space related anomolies. Accounts by different stories in the bible seem to always describe "winged chariots of fire descending" or "blinding brilliant column of lights burning through the clouds" sounds like flying craft and laser/photon beams to me

Was Jesus actually teleported to the manger?

P.s. Thank you everyone for keeping your cool even when I can tell you want to just rip me a new on this

Mon May 17, 2010 5:32 pm » by **Mahsooyee**

punjedi wrote:
nm156 wrote:I keep my ever evolveing understanding of a higher being above all, however I try keep it simple and honor thy Mother (Earth). For any one man to say that they understand God is blasphomy, since no one man can even understand the planet that sustains all life. IMO God is the subject to complicate all matters, God can not be questioned, it is what it is, LIFE live it.

It would be the folly of a fool if I for one second even began to claim that I understood God.

It is a shame that almost just those three letters G.O.D. can be the basis behind so much hate and anger in this world. How misguided people using His name to bolster their twisted ideals and beliefs so they can kill and control.

I am aware also of how, on the surface, most believers sound like shallow apes, so I always try and stay vigilante in the quest for knowledge as well. Too many years we have been inundated with "How Dare You..." type mentality. Bitter old men and women shelled up in closet homes with no desire to interact with all the people of this Earth.

I never mean to infer that by Him or He that I envision a man shaped being with glowing hot eyes. That's for hollywood to play on and make their dollars. Nor do I stand on any ground stating that I believe God is male, female or otherwise with gender.

I am not whole heartedly convinced that God can't be alien either. Maybe it is possible that a vastly ancient culture evolved from the mire and developed techonology that bridged the gap between bio and mech. After billions of years this race dabbles in creating life such as ourselves and had some motive we cannot fathom.

Looking at the facts and history. We do now know there have been ancient nuclear wars, massive planetary upheavels and shifts, and an asteroid belt that seems to indicate we had neighbors or a neighbor that no longer comes to visit

We also know that we have SO very MANY things leading and pointing to us humans having been visited for a very long time. So it could stand to reason that Jesus, and all the reports of aliens being depicted by the Egyptians, Mayans, Inca, and almost any and every other ancient culture you can find have depicted visitation or influence.

so, yes, I understand I sound naive and like I haven't done my research before I blindly added myself to the sheep of Christ, but I still keep a VERY open mind on what the possibilities could entail.

Not to mention that even in the bible and massive amounts of biblical art there are depictions of what could be space related anomolies. Accounts by different stories in the bible seem to always describe "winged chariots of fire descending" or "blinding brilliant column of lights burning through the clouds" sounds like flying craft and laser/photon beams to me

Was Jesus actually teleported to the manger?

P.s. Thank you everyone for keeping your cool even when I can tell you want to just rip me a new on this

With the above being said by you it demonstrates that you still retain an open mind and that is marvelous indeed and supports that you are not affected with tunnel vision. Much respect to you...more so than those that attempt to cram religious belief down another's throat because they have decided to shut down their brain and thought processes and are only willing to produce a rant without much proof to back up what or why they believe what it is they believe...they think that it is enough to say "because the bible tells me so" and that really doesn't prove anything! Anyways, stay open minded and continue to question everything for it is healthy to do so.
Walk On!!

Mon May 17, 2010 6:19 pm » by **Cornbread714**

punjedi wrote:
P.s. Thank you everyone for keeping your cool even when I can tell you want to just rip me a new on this

No thanks necessary, you are able to speak somewhat rationally and you don't get too upset when challenged - I save the new-asshole-ripping only for the intolerant and narrow-minded.