Former Israeli soldiers break silence; military violations

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PostTue May 17, 2011 3:54 pm » by Phaeton


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Former Israeli soldiers break the silence on military violations

Testimonies posted on YouTube by campaign group describe routine harassment and humiliation of Palestinian civilians.

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Campaign group Breaking the Silence has met with a hostile response from Israel, especially after it published testimony by soldiers who took part in the war on Gaza in 2008-09. Photograph: Ali Ali/EPA

Transgressions by the Israeli army in the occupied Palestinian territories will be disclosed by a group of former soldiers in an internet campaign aimed at raising public awareness of military violations.

Video testimonies by around two dozen ex-soldiers - some of whom are identifying themselves for the first time - will be posted on YouTube. The campaign by Breaking the Silence, an organisation of former soldiers committed to speaking out on military practices, launches with English subtitles on Monday.


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Some of the former soldiers describe the "neighbour procedure", a term for the use of Palestinian civilians, often children, as human shields to protect soldiers from suspected booby traps or attacks by militants. The procedure was ruled illegal by Israel's high court in 2005.

Others speak of routine harassment of civilians at checkpoints, arbitrary intimidation and collective punishment.

Idan Barir, who served in the artillery corps, describes in his testimony how an officer forced Palestinian civilians to crawl in a "race" towards a checkpoint near Jenin in the West Bank during the 2000 olive harvest. Only the first three out of "teams" of eight were allowed to pass.

Another, Itamar Schwarz, says Palestinian homes were routinely ransacked in search operations. He describes the day of the World Cup final in 2002, when soldiers confined a Palestinian woman and child in the kitchen of their home for two hours while the unit watched the game in the middle of an operation.

Arnon Degani, who served in the Golani brigade, describes the distress of a young woman who tearfully pleaded to be allowed to pass through a Jenin checkpoint in order to sit an important exam. He gradually came to understand, he says, that the Israeli army's intention was "to enforce tyranny on people who you know are regular civilians" and to "make it clear who's in control here".

"Part of the silence of Israeli society is to believe these are isolated and exceptional incidents. But these are the most routine, day-to-day, banal stories," said Yehuda Shaul, of Breaking the Silence.

Identification of the ex-soldiers willing to speak out was important, he said, "so that Israelis understand that there are people behind these stories, that in a sense we're all involved".

The former soldiers were aware of the potential legal and social consequences of going public, Shaul added. "They understand that they risk being prosecuted for what they're saying. But they're doing it because it needs to be done."

Since Breaking the Silence was launched in 2004, it has met with a hostile response from Israel's political and military establishment, partly targeting the anonymity of some witnesses. There have been attempts to discredit supporters and block funding, and its leaders have been subject to interrogation. Censure increased after it published testimony by soldiers who took part in the war on Gaza in 2008-09.

Schwarz, 29, who served in the Nahal infantry brigade between 2000 and 2003, told the Guardian that he had gone public with his testimony "because to me it's important that Israeli society is exposed to the moral price and moral experience that an Israeli soldier goes through in armed service".

The events he describes are "things that are really little, but they tell you the big picture of the occupation".

He said his army experience was "like a scar, I carry it with me. We have to talk about it, to put it out to the world. Only then can a society deal with the moral price."

The Israeli Defence Forces said: "The allegations made by Breaking the Silence are unfamiliar to us. The organisation has been informed, on numerous occasions, of the option of filing specific complaints including personal testimonies and other evidence through the appropriate channels. This is to ensure that their allegations are subjected to a thorough and proper legal investigation. To date the organisation has refused to provide substantiated allegations, making it impossible to properly examine their claims."


Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/16/former-israeli-soldiers-break-silence
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PostTue May 17, 2011 6:24 pm » by Ironlikealion


Breaking the Silence Funders in 2008 and 2009 included the European Union; the governments of the UK (£157,590 in 2008-2011) and Spain; New Israel Fund(funded by ford foundation among others,but that's another story); Oxfam; DanChurchAid; Christian Aid; and Open Society Institute.

Dutch government funds have been channeled through various sources, including the Dutch Embassy in Tel Aviv, NDC (combination of 4 governments funding: Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Netherlands), ICCO, and SIVMO.

In 2007, NIF granted Breaking the Silence $70,976.

The NGO was active in promoting “war crimes” charges against Israel after the Gaza fighting in January 2009. These charges were based on anonymous and unverifiable hearsay “testimonies.”

Analysis by Amos Harel in Ha’aretz: “Breaking the Silence...has a clear political agenda, and can no longer be classed as a ‘human rights organization.’ Any organization whose website includes the claim by members to expose the ‘corruption which permeates the military system’ is not a neutral observer. The organization has a clear agenda.

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another NGO out of countless others that is funded and promotes the agenda of the foreign bodies that pay it's wages , rather then objectively search for justice .
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PostTue May 17, 2011 7:17 pm » by Flecktarn


normal military practice to brutalise a population to react ,,,then the military use the situation to justify military action against a civilian population ,,orders come from above and its encouraged ,,every unit will have a core of ultra nationalistic brainwashed troops willing to do as there told ,,under the excuse of "im following orders "or "im just doing my job",,,,,this is almost the same for every military in the world ,,,,,,,just that some nations seem to enjoy it
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PostTue May 17, 2011 7:39 pm » by Ironlikealion


well since you served in the British army i guess it's normal for the U.K military
to brutalise a population to react . but it doesn't mean it's the same here .

this is the middle east,not the U.K, arguing who's brutalize who is like the chicken and the egg question ,the gaza operation in 2009 for example was lunched after more then 10 k mortars and rockets fired at civilians targets in Israel ,so who's brutalizing who exactly ,is that not a form of a collective punishment ? deep inside you know damn well that it is ,and no matter what the excuses are .

i wonder fleck what you think about this interview from 2009 :

BBC Interviews Col. Richard Kemp(served in the British Army from 1977 to 2006)
on Civilian Casualties Resulting from Israel’s War on Hamas :

"I don’t think there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza"
http://maurice-ostroff.tripod.com/id199.html

Richard Kemp:

I said that during its operation in Gaza the Israelis did more to defend the rights of civilians than any other army in the history of warfare.

The commanders of the IDF who planned and implemented the operation had a very clear understanding. There was an absolute necessity to minimize civilian casualties.

Hamas lured IDF troops to kill their own people. In these circumstances the IDF commanders took unprecedented measures to protect civilians.

They took great risks to pinpoint enemy positions while minimizing harm to the civilian population. If any of these intelligence agents had been captured their fate would have been horrific. Hamas introduced crucifixion as a means of executing spies.

The IDF allowed huge amounts of humanitarian aid into Gaza and announced a cease fire for 3 hours every day. This gave Hamas time to redeploy and re-equip.

Israelis dropped a million leaflets warning people of the attack. Despite all this many civilians were killed and wounded. Hamas were deliberately trying to lure the IDF to kill their own people.
In every army there will always be bad soldiers who go against orders.

Of the 1300 deaths in the Gaza conflict, Hamas says 700 were fighters and the rest civilians.

The death of a civilian is a grave tragedy. A study published by the UN shows that the ratio to civilian to combat is by the far the lowest in the history of warfare. In Kosovo it was 4 to 1.

The IDF is of course far from perfect. But their work to reduce the risk of casualties of civilians – would not be contemplated by any other army anywhere in the world.

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PostTue May 17, 2011 8:22 pm » by Freeyourmindnow


Some of the former soldiers describe the "neighbour procedure", a term for the use of Palestinian civilians, often children, as human shields to protect soldiers from suspected booby traps or attacks by militants.Others speak of routine harassment of civilians at checkpoints, arbitrary intimidation and collective punishment.

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PostTue May 17, 2011 8:43 pm » by Ironlikealion


animals eh ?
not that i expect anything better from a manipulative
hate mongering moron such as yourself .


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Hamas using children as human shields

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE
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PostTue May 17, 2011 8:46 pm » by Freeyourmindnow


ironlikealion wrote:animals eh ?
not that i expect anything better from a manipulative
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Hamas using children as human shields

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE

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PostTue May 17, 2011 8:52 pm » by Ironlikealion


lol what an idiot .
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PostTue May 17, 2011 9:04 pm » by Truthdefender


freeyourmindnow wrote:
ironlikealion wrote:animals eh ?
not that i expect anything better from a manipulative
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Hamas using children as human shields

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE

zinzana we know your agenda


FREE, You are a tool my friend, nothing more. The fact that you can view that video of a Hamas d-bag using a child and not even capitulate in the tiniest, and perhaps admit that the you really don't have even the slightest knowledge or experience to form an educated opinion on the overall situation, proves you are nothing more than an open recipient of world propaganda and you regurgitate it without an iota of depth.


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PostTue May 17, 2011 9:14 pm » by Freeyourmindnow


truthdefender wrote:
freeyourmindnow wrote:
ironlikealion wrote:animals eh ?
not that i expect anything better from a manipulative
hate mongering moron such as yourself .


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Hamas using children as human shields

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE

zinzana we know your agenda


FREE, You are a tool my friend, nothing more. The fact that you can view that video of a Hamas d-bag using a child and not even capitulate in the tiniest, and perhaps admit that the you really don't have even the slightest knowledge or experience to form an educated opinion on the overall situation, proves you are nothing more than an open recipient of world propaganda and you regurgitate it without an iota of depth.


Israel is the mad dog Zionism had released in the Middle East to terrorize its nations. For the last 62 years this dog had savagely bitten all its neighbors, and its mad barking is threatening the rest of the countries in the region. Enforcing its expanding cancerous existence into the heart of the Arab World Israel is using lethal force against every Middle Eastern country under the false justification of self defense. Israeli society thrives on violence. The Israeli commando (terrorist), who murdered many unarmed humanitarian activists, is being considered for a medal of valor.

keep defending the Israel’s Crimes Against Humanity fakedefender :flop:


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