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PostTue Mar 17, 2009 1:12 am » by Spock


DarkPlanet is fun to have around. He does an excellent job of solidifying why we feel so passionatley about the way we feel.

He gets his news from MTV.

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PostTue Mar 17, 2009 3:10 am » by Bink02


The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

:flop: This is why I'm a freedom loving patriot..... :hugging: :cheers:
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PostWed Mar 18, 2009 11:30 pm » by Darkplanet


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Love the little note about your BIG gun. No one's comin for your guns pal but I'm sure glad you threatened me with it. You must feel like a big man now huh? Its talk like that which ensures we'll never find a healthy middle ground on the planet. You're the cause.


I also have to say Dark - you are the most misinformed I have ever seen post on this website. You twist words just like every other liberal. He never threatened you - but of course you want to say he did. And being a Patriot and a member of the Patriot Movement has nothing to do with the "Patriot Act".

You hate Fox News, so what do you live by, CNN? The internet? Your own rediculous sense of jaded security?

Oh, I'm sure you are a connoisseur of all news outlets and ingest only the most righteous tidbits.

If you can't see Obama is the ultimate puppet of the NWO, you are truly as blind as you come across every time you decide to spew your diatribe.

I love reading your posts - I love rebutting your complete blind hatred. You are the perfect example of hating someone just because you see so much of yourself in that person.

Keep it coming - please.


Wow, that's way out of right field.

I don't generally get my news from any corporate media talking heads thanks very much. I'm completely fine with rebuttal by the way but we haven't really talked specifics have we? You want to talk about what the Bush admin did to the constitution, the economy, civil liberties, privacy, the environment, education, health care, diplomacy? Lets talk about that and then juxtapose it to what the current administration has already done to undo that gigantic mess. If you aren't seeing it, you aren't paying attention but I don't think you're that stupid.

You've bought into the "socialism" meme just like every other good FOX watching "patriot". Responsible foresight, the health, education and infrastructure of ones peoples is exactly what government is suppose to be about. The only people calling that "socialism" are corporate Neocon fatcats who are terrified to see their old broken way of life fall apart. The NWO you're talking about is still using that media stream in an attempt to regain control of what was taken from them.

I honestly don't understand you or where you are getting your info from. Have you done the due diligence and really dug around for source material? You do understand who got us into the current mess right? The NWO got the boot and you're seeing the ripple effect of that now both socially and in the media.

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PostThu Mar 19, 2009 12:35 am » by Spock


Now we have a nice debate going on.

First and foremost, I am not a George Bush republican. I don't think he is the devil that everyone made him out to be, but I never voted for him. Also, I didn't vote for McCain in the last election. I'm one of those "Constitutional Terrorists" that voted for Chuck Baldwin after he was endorsed by Ron Paul.

As far as where we are going with debt, it originated in the housing bubble, which was orchestrated under the Clinton administration. A noble feel to it, but not realistic. To loan money to someone that can't possibly pay it back. We're seeing the same practice as the administration continues to go to China to beg them to buy our debt, and we see Obama flip-flop on the magnitude of the financial crisis. Last week it was dire, then Hilary goes to China and Obama says it's not that bad.

Quickly here, the socialism of Obama. Bail out the lending institutions and other huge corporations and then hold a massive hand over an otherwise private company. My feeling is, let the companies fail. New ones will pop up that will have learned a major lesson.

Obama's stated goal is redistribution of wealth. What is that? That's communism. "DarkPlanet", I hope you thrive in your vocation and make millions, and I'd be right there by your side when someone came to take your money from you, especially the government.

Also, the current administrations wanting to take away our 2nd ammendment rights. So that we can not protect ourselves from them. They can't take away our guns so they heavily tax our ammo. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see many more "manchurian candidates" attacking innocent people to keep the "evils" of guns in the forefront. Hell, if everyone was packing, the most an idiot would get off is 1 or 2 shots. I am for background checks!!! And, no convicted felons should ever possess a firearm. Here's another loop-hole for the government. If everyone is a criminal, nobody can leggaly protect themself or family or property.

And let me know as soon as you find out Obama is taking something out of the Patriot Act - it's one thing to curse Bush about it, but you don't hear of it now, it's been swept under the rug, because the liberals want it - and they coveted Bush for it so bad, they scathed him for it.

I wasn't ready to sit down point for point so forgive me, but I did want to answer back.

Why don't you hit me with a point and I'll answer, or visa versa - we may even agree on something.

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PostThu Mar 19, 2009 2:18 am » by Darkplanet


spock wrote:Quickly here, the socialism of Obama. Bail out the lending institutions and other huge corporations and then hold a massive hand over an otherwise private company. My feeling is, let the companies fail. New ones will pop up that will have learned a major lesson.


Let's start with what we agree on. I wholeheartedly agree that businesses which cannot weather the recession under their own steam should be let go. The best thing to do right now is to let them die or reinvent themselves to compete. The American people shouldn't have to deal with that end of the debt spectrum.

That said, spending bills and stimulus are not cut and dry issues. Lobbyists from both parties engage in their formation. Compromises are often made to get things passed in house. Obama's "big ticket" items focused on major investments into health care, education, sciences, environment and infrastructure. Basically, the things the country really needs to flourish long-term. That in turn annoyed the hardcore right because they wanted more money dumped into corporate America, failing energy structures (oil, coal) and generally support for the richest people in America (a distinct minority).

Don't get me wrong, I agree with supporting small business as that is stimulative but that has never been where the heart of the Republican party is.

First and foremost, I am not a George Bush republican. I don't think he is the devil that everyone made him out to be, but I never voted for him. Also, I didn't vote for McCain in the last election. I'm one of those "Constitutional Terrorists" that voted for Chuck Baldwin after he was endorsed by Ron Paul.


Ron Paul was great and would have made a good President. For the most part he has sound judgment...for the most part.

As far as where we are going with debt, it originated in the housing bubble, which was orchestrated under the Clinton administration. A noble feel to it, but not realistic. To loan money to someone that can't possibly pay it back. We're seeing the same practice as the administration continues to go to China to beg them to buy our debt, and we see Obama flip-flop on the magnitude of the financial crisis. Last week it was dire, then Hilary goes to China and Obama says it's not that bad.


Ok but the Bush administration pushed the whole deregulation slant into excessive crazy land. You are also conveniently forgetting the "off the books" Billions/Trillions of dollars invested into Middle Eastern operations and black budget spending under Bush. That "off the books" military spending skyrocketed. The elephant in the room here is the fact that the economy is as bad as it is because of a number of different factors but the war in Iraq is a MAJOR reason for the current situation. The "housing bubble" is the quick and easy go-to topic but doesn't really encompass the scope of what got us here. Republicans love to skirt that one.

Obama's stated goal is redistribution of wealth. What is that? That's communism. "DarkPlanet", I hope you thrive in your vocation and make millions, and I'd be right there by your side when someone came to take your money from you, especially the government.


One word "Paranoia". This is the same dog and pony show devised in the 80's under Bush senior and Ronald Reagan. Again, a nice bit of propaganda to keep you from investing in society rather than corporations. Watch out for those REDS!

Also, the current administrations wanting to take away our 2nd ammendment rights. So that we can not protect ourselves from them. They can't take away our guns so they heavily tax our ammo. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see many more "manchurian candidates" attacking innocent people to keep the "evils" of guns in the forefront. Hell, if everyone was packing, the most an idiot would get off is 1 or 2 shots.


Again, PARANOIA. No one is taking away your guns and will never do so. Lots of screaming on this one but America needs to join the rest of the planet when it comes to gun control. I still have a gun. No one is coming knocking at my door. If you wanted to worry about that it would have been under previous administrations.

And let me know as soon as you find out Obama is taking something out of the Patriot Act - it's one thing to curse Bush about it, but you don't hear of it now, it's been swept under the rug, because the liberals want it - and they coveted Bush for it so bad, they scathed him for it.


Um, actually they are in the process of reviewing that bill...again. The Patriot Act is an ill conceived bill and they are in the process of changing it. In 2005 Obama cosponsored the Enhancement (SAFE) Act to revise the PATRIOT Act to safeguard against privacy violations and unlawful monitoring of citizens. He also filibustered Bush's original Patriot act.

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PostThu Mar 19, 2009 3:02 am » by Spock


Thank you Dark - I'll respond in the morning. I'm tired and "Lost" is coming on.


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