FREEMASON SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE DURING SEX AND THE CITY

Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:24 pm » by **Blackshuck**

Having been a member of the Order of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons for quite sometime, I have no clue what is being discussedd. Same could be said for York Rite, which I also am a member of as well as Scottish Rite and Knight Templar. Not EVERY brother is kindly thought of for wanting a "more open Order", I do not wish just any clown on the street to be able to walk into any lodge and see what is going on, not that he/she/it would understand all of it because they will not. There are secrest of eacch Degree, go look that phrase up, and what is said to be "raised' from one Degree to another and not go beyond the 3rd Degree. I won't even go into what is involved with the initation rites of York and Scottish Rites and how their resspective meetings are held to sworn in "brothers".The Order/Brothergood is not a secret organization, truly not, but it is an Order of Secrets. 32DEGREE SCOTTISH RITE MASON.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:35 pm » by **domdabears**

Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:42 pm » by **Fatdogmendoza**

Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:42 am » by **Flecktarn**

but why put it on in between sex and the city ????
the people i know who watch this have the attention span of a puppy with adhd so for them reading the first line would be challenging

Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:42 pm » by **Blackshuck**

First I gotta work on my spelling but ya'll get used to that. Point made is that what had been presented to me, might have taken place, secondly, the more liberal arm of the entire "Broyherhood" and "Order" are not in one voice screaming to make all that was secrest now open. Many lodges over here are thinking of having another level of the "Blue" Lodge that would be more seclusive and not as open to just anyone, as many are now and in fact, more of a secret in their goins on than 200 yrs. ago. I perfer the latter. If you feel oneself is worthy, if not, simply do not.

Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:27 am » by **Sentientseed**

Having been a member of the Order of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons for quite sometime, I have no clue what is being discussedd. Same could be said for York Rite, which I also am a member of as well as Scottish Rite and Knight Templar. Not EVERY brother is kindly thought of for wanting a "more open Order", I do not wish just any clown on the street to be able to walk into any lodge and see what is going on, not that he/she/it would understand all of it because they will not. There are secrest of eacch Degree, go look that phrase up, and what is said to be "raised' from one Degree to another and not go beyond the 3rd Degree. I won't even go into what is involved with the initation rites of York and Scottish Rites and how their resspective meetings are held to sworn in "brothers".The Order/Brothergood is not a secret organization, truly not, but it is an Order of Secrets. 32DEGREE SCOTTISH RITE MASON.

First I gotta work on my spelling but ya'll get used to that. Point made is that what had been presented to me, might have taken place, secondly, the more liberal arm of the entire "Broyherhood" and "Order" are not in one voice screaming to make all that was secrest now open. Many lodges over here are thinking of having another level of the "Blue" Lodge that would be more seclusive and not as open to just anyone, as many are now and in fact, more of a secret in their goins on than 200 yrs. ago. I perfer the latter. If you feel oneself is worthy, if not, simply do not.

I can only address what I have seen with my own two eyes and heard with my own two ears in my limited range of lodges attended. So this is based on my experiences within such a limited range and I cannot speak for lodges at large nor masons as they all can have differences and many do.

Secrets of each degree amount to nothing more than passwords, handshakes, and signs. Explanations given during a degree are of a character nature of an individual and nothing more really. Any other supposed secrets beyond this are either learned through reflection on the degree experience in conjunction with the study of masonic works and other material available to, deliberated on, and interpreted by the individual in pursuit of such information.

I suppose going into exacting initiation rites/rituals would be against the keeping of one's word but there isn't much "revealed directly to any initiate of any level beyond the personal character explanations given them. There is no hidden secrets of the universe directly revealed to initiates at any level up to 32 degree mason along the Scottish Rite branch....even if Freemasonry possess such secrets at all...nor is there any secret outlined and detailed master plan of masonry toward humankind revealed(again if there is any)to initiates regardless of level up to 32 degree masons. Without wild speculation, the best an initiate or general onlooker could deduce from a lodge ritual and the explanation thereof is that Freemasonry's goal for humankind is the betterment of such through virtues and tenants propounded and expounded and that most mix Abrahamic religious analogies with other mysteries in their attempt to get said points across . There is little else revealed beyond that and maybe enough mysteries talk and portrayal to make initiates feel like they may know something the vast majority does not. There may also be enough of such talk or portrayal to possibly maintain interest in "further light" of which the initiate/member will more than likely only acquire through self study alone. Such mysteries talk also causes blow back from some members and the general public who follow rigid belief systems and see the "mysteries" as an evil force against their beliefs.

How the meetings are held to swear in brothers can be discussed without revealing any details of initiation rites. In our valley....they wait until there is a large group of masons wanting to get into the Scottish Rite. They invite them down to the valley for a one day session in which they act out some of the degrees of Scottish Rite to the initiate and send them on their way. Of course there is a big meal, chit chat, money collecting and such during the time spent there as well. Depending on if they have the material on hand, people might get their certificate, "Bridge to Light" book and a few other trinkets. If they don't, they will get those at a later date from their local Blue Lodge, mailed to them, or at another meeting. Of course one generally has to have the money to pay the dues as well before initiation, to maintain them, and those of their local lodge which is included in being a "member of good standing". All degrees are not necessarily covered and commented on and the entire initiation is a bit rushed.

This reason and possible ramifications thereof is why many members want to go back to a more studied form and time frame to become a 32 degree mason. Some feel each degree should be earned by well learned study and much participation in other aspects of the order rather than merely being a bought certificate. Nothing wrong with that really.

One thing I can entirely agree with ya on is that the entirety of Freemasonry is not of one mind and voice...which, in some contexts, goes against what is encouraged. Happy that it isn't in others else, the entirety of it might be full of racist, elitist, bigots preaching what they themselves will not uphold yet wish to instill upon everyone else. Sorta like religion does in many an instance.

Why open up another blue lodge? Why not just create and petition for another side affiliation to Masonry and set one's own requirements for entry? Simple solution without messing with the Blue Lodge itself. There are already such groups as a particular Rosicrucian order that is affiliated with Freemasonry and requires...as seen by them I suppose....something more than the average joe Mason has. Goody for them I suppose. I know quite a bit about said order myself but cannot say what goes on inside their meetings anywhere with much accuracy as I have never attend a one of them and more than likely will never. It is an invitation only group ya see and requires and full belief in the Trinity Doctrine as it is modernly and generally interpreted by Christians...according to one of their higher ups.

I am a suspended for lack of dues payment 32 degree Scottish Rite Freemason. I am not a York Rite Freemason...yet know as much about it if not more than the average York Rite Mason. I am familiar with both quite well. I am not a York Rite mason because I refuse to join based on the requirement of some within the local chapter to be a Christian as it is generally seen and interpreted by modern Christians.

Secrets? Pfffft..... :badair:

Only if individuals chose to create,keep, and share such within the order among themselves. Same could be said of a variety of things.

Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:03 pm » by **Flecktarn**

i still cant take it in that you were watching sex and the city :headscratch: