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Yeah First Causes are a bitch.

If you ignore them, youll find yourself (way down the line..like today) battling a disadvantaged enemy who (due to completely realistic considerations) must use more radical tactics to outwit their vastly superior occupiers.

i disagree with you , please explain to me why the fatah not shooting mortars
and rockets from the west bank to israel ?
because they are one step ahead in the way to peace then hamas .
fatah and israel unfortunately still haven't figured a way to work out the
differences to even restart negotiations again .
but the west bank is in far better shape then gaza and is flourishing ,
altough not all is perfect ,provocateurs from both sides and all varieties
of the political polarities occasionally tries to stir a mess .
but yet, most of the fatah chooses to leave beyond the armed resistance ,
and focus on building Palestine, i only could wish the hamas would do the same .

After the first two deaths, the rest is a blood revenge game, at which point BOTH parties can be argued to be "in the right". THATS why there is no progress being made..both sides are screaming "Look what you did to my brother"

no actually what im screaming is lets sit down and negotiate, instead of shooting missiles ,
i will scream look what you did to my brother every time you will scream look what you did
to my brother,or look what you tried to do to my brother , or look what you do to your
children , simple as that .

...instead of addressing the question of
Who PLANTED this evil seed that has spawned an uncontrollable growth that is strangling the life out of THE ENTIRE GODAMN FUCKING PLANET!

oh really ? is that really important ? who planted the seed according to your beliefs
low ? the devil ? the evil jews ? or just extremist persons from both sides ? i'm curious why do you think this is important .

i personally think more important question is ,what do we do now ? how do we
solve our problems in the presence,lets talk ,that's what important ,not who
planted some EVIL SEEDS .

Seems like addressing the underlying issue in a meaningful way is going to go a lot further than isolating yourself socially and politically,

israel is not half as isolated socially or politically as you would hoped .

losing the PR battle, and creating a thousand brand new martyrs...all because Isrealis myopically assume that their authority, and "historo-religious rights" and genetic and moral superiority should be recognized easily enough to turn the tide of WORLD opinion...(they arent)

oh so now israelis claim they are " genetic superiors " ,and that's after you totally
distorted one of my statements out of context and essentially called me nazi :

the difference is if Israeli soldier killing a baby it's by mistake ,or he his very disturbed
person that will be punished for his deeds if he would be found guilty ,the hamas and other like minded organizations target babies intentionally and praise the perpetrators as holy hero's .

HOLY...FUCKING...SHIT!!!!!!!!
I mean the Nazis even camoflaged their feelings about the jews better than that..

well i still stand by my statement , even though you tried to distort what i said ,
hamas ideology is to kill civilians , israel policy is to avoid killing civilians .
that's facts .
terrorist that kill children and civilians is praised as holy hero by hamas , in israel
if someone intentionally kill civilians he is trailed and go to jail .
so from those facts you try to turn me to a nazi ?

not to mention that i didn't used Palestinians but hamas and like mind organizations .

you insist on insisting to claim that the Israelis think they are
superior humans and racists , which is of course a dumb generalization .
i tried to tell you that as Israeli i know that this is bullshit countless times , we are all
humans i said that many times ,and i mean it , sorry if it's mantra for you .
like every country israel got it's basket cases and extremists they are
minority ,just like on every other place on earth .
but no you insist to accuse me as being a nazi .
well ,that only show that you come with some kind of preconception in your head of what Israelis are ,and you just cant let go even when FACTS collide with your belief .
for you when a fellow person (hello that's me) share is views in here its just "israeli
apologizers on forums" , well low sorry to say but you start to sound like regressed
racist to me .

Its not working for us anymore.

and who is the us you referring to ? wishful thinking much ?

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Yeah First Causes are a bitch.

If you ignore them, youll find yourself (way down the line..like today) battling a disadvantaged enemy who (due to completely realistic considerations) must use more radical tactics to outwit their vastly superior occupiers.

So MY thinking is, (and the reason europe is seeing through it all) is that if you,
on some sincerely humane and dignified way, address that Pesky "First Cause" problem you can automatically address the blowback from IGNORING or DISMISSING that "First Cause".

After the first two deaths, the rest is a blood revenge game, at which point BOTH parties can be argued to be "in the right". THATS why there is no progress being made..both sides are screaming "Look what you did to my brother"...instead of addressing the question of Who PLANTED this evil seed that has spawned an uncontrollable growth that is strangling the life out of THE ENTIRE GODAMN FUCKING PLANET!

Till then, its all a game of misdirection, opinion politics, propaganda, and outright lies, mixed with religion, blood revenge, and pitched battles.

ON BOTH SIDES.
(i have to put that in caps because you dont seem to realize that i understand this)

Seems like addressing the underlying issue in a meaningful way is going to go a lot further than isolating yourself socially and politically, losing the PR battle, and creating a thousand brand new martyrs...all because Isrealis myopically assume that their authority, and "historo-religious rights" and genetic and moral superiority should be recognized easily enough to turn the tide of WORLD opinion...(they arent)

Its not working for us anymore.

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All of this mess has a basis in the past... It is just a shame that no one bothers to study it. BOTH sides were victims of the British Zionists, FACT. The Zionists pushed for Eretz Israel a full 60 years before WWII. But they couldn't do anything about the Ottoman empire.. they had to wait for that to fall. You know why? Because the Ottomans ruled over the REGION called 'Palestine'. Palestine never existed as a country because it was ALWAYS ruled by a foreign power, including for a very large part of it's history, ending about 1900 years ago when the Jews (under Rome!) were KICKED OUT. The Jews LOST Israel to Rome.. FACT. And except for a peaceful minority, the Jews NEVER had any political presence in Palestine for almost two millenium. And, the Palestinians never had any political presence in Palestine either, because it belonged to the Ottoman empire.

FACT: American Zionists petitioned the US government to PREVENT the immigration of TENS OF THOUSANDS of orphan Jewish children from Europe. Why? Because they wanted to sit in their mansions in New York while the homeless and unwanted Jews from Europe would take back Palestine from the Palestinians FOR THEM, on behalf of the Zionist agenda. Guess how they did this?

You would not believe it, but they used a defunct Ottoman property law to accomplish this. In the 19th century, Istanbul required everyone throughout the empire to register their property. The Palestinians didn't bother... families and villagers knew exactly what land belonged to who. But this brings about a technicality; when the Jews arrived in Palestine after WWII (remember, the Ottomans lost power in WWI), technically no one owned the land! Sure, there were people all over the place... they had hospitals and schools and newspapers... But, by law, they were considered squatters in the land their ancesters had lived on for thousands of years. All an immigrant Jew had to do was find a house and a farm he liked, and registered it. Then, he could take the papers, claim the property was his, and have the occupants kicked out... BY LAW. This is what the Israelis like to do, even today... they learned quickly... they play around with the laws...

So, that brings us to who owned Palestine? The British did, and we all know what the British like to do. And who were the Brits kissing *ss to? The Zionists of course. So the Brits let the Zionists have the land- it fulfulled their "divide and conquer" agenda very well. The Zionists had a little fun here too. By the turn of the century, when publishing companies started turning out new English-language Bible translations, the Zionists had the translations tweaked to diminish the "curse" on them by God and to bring themselves to the fore-front of Christian end-times prophecy. They also published appeals to the public (in periodicals) for Jews to move to Palestine in order to POPULATE the EMPTY land. Many, many Jewish immigrants were surprised and disgusted to find 'Israel' was completely occupied by Christians, Muslims, and native Jews who didn't want them there!

And then all the agreements were a complete bungled mess as well. ALL of the agreements have technicalities in them which make them VOID. I don't care what it is... based on a technicality, 'Israel' as a country does NOT exist (kinda like based on a technicality, Texas is not a state but it is accepted as one by default). The Palestinians do not have any 'legal' right to return, while the Zionists still claim they have a Biblical right to the land. And anything Israel has agreed to with regards to peace and the Palestinians is VOID, because ISRAEL is not a legal entity!!!

So anyways, look at the mess the people are in now. I don't think the situation would be as hopeless as it is now if this was 50 years ago. Fifty years ago, families still knew where their land is, there were still some ways of "making right" all the wrongs that had happened. But now... there is NO WAY. Palestinians are second-class non-citizens in places like Jordan and Lebanon and their population has grown exponentially since the establishment of 'Israel'. There is no way anyone can sort out reparations or property rights or anything else. Second of all, the Palestinian cause has been hijacked by the Islamic cause... Palestinians are fighting for an Arab-Muslim state (or a communist state, depending on the party). They don't give a sh*t about the Christians who have left and the native Jews who are treated worse by the Zionists than even the Arab Muslims are. Palestinians are too politically weak to take back Palestine, they are unwanted in other Arab countries, and they are being propped up by Iran and shi'ite groups in Syria and Lebanon (notice how Iran supports Syria... it is because Syria has control over Lebanon, and Lebanon and Syria share a border with Israel). The thing is, the Palestinians have NO HOPE of a homeland, either in Palestine or anywhere else. But they can't come to this realization yet. They are living in a la-la world where someday they will get back their homeland. It ain't gonna happen! The history of the world has proven this over and over... If you lost to the invaders, you don't have a homeland anymore. Period. You either pick up your culture and live in a diaspora, or else assimilate into other cultures. Either way, you move on.

What is left of all of this is an INFANTILE tit-for-tat that has gone on for DECADES. It is the Zionist assholes against the proud but wounded Palestinians. And it has lasted almost two generations. There are currently TWO generations who have NOT lived in a constant state of war. Their heads are all now screwed up... War is now a permanent part of the culture there, amonst the Jews and Muslims. This concept of 'jihad' which is in the Muslim culture wasn't always there before... It started out as a coping mechanism in the first generation, and now it is a foundation of Palestinian culture. It defines their existence, to keep fighting a hopeless battle in order to keep from accepting the reality that THEY LOST. The Jews are still carrying the 'victim' mentality, even though they have long ago ceased to be 'victims'. It has been kick the dog all the way... The Jews get kicked, so they kick the Palestinians, who (when they eventually move on to other places) will find a way to kick someone else. We see it over and over again. Look at what happened when the former black slaves of America went to Liberia. What did they do? They enslaved the Liberians! What goes around comes around.

And the cycle continues...

The thing I've always wondered though, is that Israel offers full citizenship to Arab Muslims who apply for it and who move into 'Israel proper'. Why can't the Palestinians just accept Israeli citizenship, and then with their high population numbers vote out the Knesset and turn 'Israel' into a Arab-Muslim state? That is what the Muslims are doing in Nigeria, the UK, and other places.

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Why the MOSSAD must always have the last word?

For by wise guidance thou shalt make thy war. (Proverbs 24:6)
-Motto of the MOSSAD.

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Here's an unshakeable FACT.

Israel is a Jewish nation. It is acknowledged internationally. Israel will never be the Palestinian dream again. If the dream were to take hold, a massive war would ensue that would encompass the globe.

So where do we go from here?

Israel is a nation, will stay a nation, like it or not. Israel can propose peace over and over again, and peace will stand, until the Sharia freaks strap a bomb on a child, woman or adolescent and send that human bomb into a market place to kill regular citizens. At which point, Israel has a duty to strike back.

It's really on the table, if the Muslims in Gaza want peace, they need to weed out their own zealous factions - or else this will happen for another 1,000 years. Fact.

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And of course a Palestine ruled by Muslims - means absolutely no tolerance for any other belief system.

And if they kick out all other belief systems, they will kill each other until they are under one platform. FACT.

Not going to happen.

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I love ya Zaff, you're my favorite turd.

But what you just said proved the point.

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looks like egypt is acting in the same fashion as the idf
actually they're 'one up'n' the Israelis they are building a subterranian WALL :nwo:
maybe it has something to do with protecting their border, national security

Egypt plays hardball with Hamas over Gaza border wall

Rafah, Gaza Strip - Armoured vehicles from the Egyptian army guard the large cranes as they sink their tall drills into the ground. From a distance they resemble oil drills - but obviously they are not prospecting for oil along the gravelly Egypt-Gaza border.

Instead, they are seemingly digging a deep underground steel wall, whose purpose is to thwart the massive smuggling of anything from food, to petrol, cigarettes, sheep, fridges, laptops and weapons through the network of tunnels dug under the border.

If successful, this invisible barrier would change the balance of power in the area, and reshuffle the cards in the hands of Hamas, the radical Islamist movement ruling Gaza, and the region's other players.

Thus some officials in Hamas are already calling the structure the "wall of death."

For Egypt, it is a matter of sovereignty and "dignity."

Egyptian officials have so far only gone as far as confirming that their country is building an underground "engineering structure" along the border - but they have refused to give details.

As a result, speculation is rife and tension high along the border, where angry, stone-throwing Palestinians earlier this week clashed with Egyptian border guards - one of whom was fatally shot.

No one but those involved in planning and building the anti-smuggling structure know exactly how deep it will go. Some say as deep as 30 metres. Others say 20. There is also no confirmation that it will be made of solid steel which cannot be cut or melted.

Some locals in the divided border town of Rafah even fear another solution, one that would sound simpler from Egypt's point of view - namely, that pipes are being inserted deep into the ground, which have already penetrated through some of the tunnels causing their collapse.

They would then be filled with water from the nearby Mediterranean to flood them.

Others say they saw workers insert electrical cables into the pipes, with sensors to detect the tunnels.

Raja'a Abu Hilal, a 43-year-old tunnel owner on the Palestinian side of Rafah, is among those looking on with concern.

"In fact, we don't know exactly what kind of security operation the Egyptian forces are carrying out at the borderline," he said.

"But we are sure that this operation is carried out against the tunnels and that this movement would of course harm our business."

It costs between 60,000 and 80,000 US dollars and three months to build a smuggling tunnel. The total number of tunnels is not known.

Figures vary from some 400 to as many as 1,500. Rafah residents say that several dozen of them are used for smuggling rockets and other weapons. The rest are for other commodities.


The smuggling provides almost the only source of income for the internationally-isolated Hamas.

Its de-facto government in Gaza has levied taxes on all of the goods brought in through the tunnels.

Prices of the smuggled goods more than double making the short distance from the border in the south of the strip to Gaza City in the north, because the tunnel owner makes his profit, Hamas gets its share and then the shops in the city which sell them as well.

Analysts say the tunnels are Hamas' only lifeline. The movement has consolidated its hold on Gaza since it violently seized sole control of the strip in June 2007, by overpowering the security forces of President Mahmoud Abbas' rival, secular Fatah party.

For Egypt's President Hosny Mubarak, where the Muslim Brotherhood is the largest political opposition, having the Palestinian branch of the transnational Islamist movement run an entity on its border is seen as far from desirable.

When Hamas breached the border in January 2008 by blowing explosive holes, prompting hundreds of thousands of Gazans to flood into Egypt to stock up on goods, it was a blow to Cairo's prestige as an Arab superpower.

For days, until order was restored, it proved unable to control its own sovereign border.

Cairo, defending the work along the border against strongly pro- Palestinian Arab domestic and regional criticism, called the tunnels a "direct assault on Egypt's sovereignty."

"Helping the Palestinian brothers in the Gaza Strip, by all means, is a duty," Egyt's Minister of State for Legal Affairs Mufid Shehab told parliament this week - but not at the price of a violation of Egypt's international borders, national security, dignity and international pacts.

He was clearly referring to Cairo's relations with the US, from which it receives hundreds of millions of dollars in financial aid.

Washington, after last winter's Gaza war, held intense talks with Egypt on ways to end the weapons smuggling to Gaza.

If the border structure proves effective, analysts say, it may suffocate Hamas to the extent that it could return to the negotiating table "on its knees" and finally sign the Egyptian-mediated reconciliation agreement with Fatah.

That would then allow Palestinian elections to take place, which would end the West Bank/Gaza split. Ending Hamas' grip on Gaza would be a vital Egyptian interest.

Locals in Rafah, meanwhile, say they will just dig deeper. For them, they say, the tunnels are their subterranean lifeline.

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Palestinian killing Palestinian
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palestinian's now "'praying' for israel to come back & rule us again" 2:45
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Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation . O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (Matt 23:32-37)


FYI...i am a cunt (it's better than being an asshole because when your a cunt you get to take a week off every 28 days)

FYI....i don't kill people and try to justify it by dehumanizing my victims

FYI....all this YHWH loving is giving me a headache...........any god who creates us all equal and then picks a favorite race....(as if the Jews were an actual race instead of a shitmix of ex-Egyptian laborers)...is petty and posses none of the attributes that i would label as divine

@proto..... Canada would be happy to take a large number of jewish refugees from the stolen lands........as long as it means that we will finally have some peace around here.

for my money i support the Palestinians 100%.....and you can take that to the bank bitches

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Israel - will remain Israel, under jewish authority.

And Crypt - I understand you wanting to pick a side, but really, Sharia Law? You want that for Canada? Is that okay for Israel? Is that okay for any place?

And even not as fundamentalist as Sharia - just a good ole' Saudi Arabian lifestyle. That's some backward shit right there.

My money is 100% for Israel. They came back to their homeland, and made it a democracy.

If the native Americans rose up and came from every point of the globe to reclaim America - the same people screaming "burn the jews" would be screaming GO REDSKINS!