Gee how history repeats....
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:33 am » by Mep630
The nazis did not lose ww2, they just moved into America.
operation paper clip took all the SS into our now CIA. That was brilliant huh, put all these nazi's in charge of our intelligence services.
and if you know any history, which I am sure you dont, you can look up NAZI germany in WW2, and see that this is the exact same thing they did there.
They took over the German Republic, with use of a false flag event, and new laws (like the patriot act), and created their "fatherland security" to defend the country from the "communists." Notice we have homeland security and we are at war with the "terrorists." All this so they could build a war machine and invade, occupy, and torture in different countries.
Gee how history repeats....
and it sucks I am one of the very few that can see it.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:47 am » by Otomon
Alot of us are aware of this fact... and I understand your sentiment,the thing is we do not know how to help our brothers in the West,all we can do is keep talking about it and hope people will hear the message.
Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:50 am » by Stone069
SCARY STUFF.....
Please take three minutes to read this.
Maybe he is wrong… but what if he is right?
David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to Am erica n League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C. , Albany , New York , and Dakar , Senegal . He attended Harvard University , graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.
He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College. He has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.
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Dr. David Kaiser
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy.. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity.. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x ten...and we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Warsilla , Alaska .. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: CHANGE. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory Conservative "losers" read it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker.. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and . . . CHANGE. And the people surely got what they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.
I started a thread similar to this and I thought you may like to read this little tid bit. It is long but worth the read. I find it has startling revelations about some of the similarities between what has been happening here in the last fifty years, and in Nazi Germany.
I will let you read it and soak it in.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
If you pass this along, perhaps it will help to begin the awakening of America as to where we are headed...
Please take three minutes to read this.
Maybe he is wrong… but what if he is right?
David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to Am erica n League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C. , Albany , New York , and Dakar , Senegal . He attended Harvard University , graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.
He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College. He has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.
cid:6EC6F6ED37D74E2DB5C6E5E31FC408E7@margie
Dr. David Kaiser
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy.. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity.. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x ten...and we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Warsilla , Alaska .. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: CHANGE. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory Conservative "losers" read it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker.. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and . . . CHANGE. And the people surely got what they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.
I started a thread similar to this and I thought you may like to read this little tid bit. It is long but worth the read. I find it has startling revelations about some of the similarities between what has been happening here in the last fifty years, and in Nazi Germany.
I will let you read it and soak it in.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
If you pass this along, perhaps it will help to begin the awakening of America as to where we are headed...
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:01 am » by Shaggietrip
The Nazis moved here thanx to the Bush family. NASA was started from Nazi scientists. There is alot more. Plz tell me you all know this, I will read posts for a bit and if I see that most do not I shall post at that time.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:47 am » by Santaownsyou
Welcome to the facist states of America.
Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.
"organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems"
Well that sure does sound like us, but I sure as hell don't know how we got here.
Time to stop participating.
Buy local, go to the farmers market. Stop buying crap you don't need. Start a co-op. Start a union. Don't join the military, or let your kids do so. Take your money out of the bank. If we don't participate the house of cards will fall. It's gonna hurt to hit bottom, but from there, there's nowhere to go but up. Funny how through 401k's wallstreet convinced everyone that their interests were yours. Funnything is now their getting richer and richer and your getting poorer and poorer. How is it prices continue to rise even though wages are lost and declining? Stop playing their game and start your own.
Edit: start bartering for everything you possibly can.
Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.
"organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems"
Well that sure does sound like us, but I sure as hell don't know how we got here.
Time to stop participating.
Buy local, go to the farmers market. Stop buying crap you don't need. Start a co-op. Start a union. Don't join the military, or let your kids do so. Take your money out of the bank. If we don't participate the house of cards will fall. It's gonna hurt to hit bottom, but from there, there's nowhere to go but up. Funny how through 401k's wallstreet convinced everyone that their interests were yours. Funnything is now their getting richer and richer and your getting poorer and poorer. How is it prices continue to rise even though wages are lost and declining? Stop playing their game and start your own.
Edit: start bartering for everything you possibly can.
Last edited by Santaownsyou on Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is probably just a tool of the conspiracy.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:48 am » by Shaggietrip
The Bush family was into nazis when Prescot Bush help fund there war with others. Both sides mind you..Along with the bankers that love to fund war The Bush family and Nazis both like eugenics which they still try to practice today. I am not sure of the computer company name that help tag identify and data base the Jews in Germany at that time. The Bush family was well into the Riech. Funded alot.
4:11 into this video below gets into Bush
[youtube]cNPV0mCdeOE&feature=fvwk[/youtube]
4:11 into this video below gets into Bush
[youtube]cNPV0mCdeOE&feature=fvwk[/youtube]
Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:53 am » by Strider2
This thread reminds me of:
Talk - Naomi Wolf - The End of America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
Talk - Naomi Wolf - The End of America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:15 am » by Heinousone
The Jews were to Germany as Muslims are now to America.
A scapegoat to blame for hard times. Only this time a small cadre of Jews have a big hand in this so of course the scapegoat has changed.
A scapegoat to blame for hard times. Only this time a small cadre of Jews have a big hand in this so of course the scapegoat has changed.
Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:57 am » by Mep630
Agreed, I see it all the time, the propaganda conditioning on people, they hate Muslims and I ask them why and they end up saying "well I just do." That is unacceptable to me.heinousone wrote:The Jews were to Germany as Muslims are now to America.
A scapegoat to blame for hard times. Only this time a small cadre of Jews have a big hand in this so of course the scapegoat has changed.
I am amazed more and more every day how may people know these things now, it gives me hope. 5-6 years ago and I would have got and did get crucified for posting things like this. Glad to see things changing!
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