God/Nature's response to 1814 British burning of White House

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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 2:58 am » by Marcydare


captainkarizma wrote:
esther40 wrote:
captainkarizma wrote:This is the kind of religious spew we do not need.

Captain Kranizma,

What a weird reply. Apparently you read the op, had you ever heard the story of the British burning the White House in 1814 before? How do you explain the sudden appearance of a hurricane and a tornado coming down Pennsylvania Ave? Coincidence?!

It's obvious that you are NOT interested in the truth. You have an anti-religious agenda and you are NOT wanting anybody to provide any serious evidence that reputes your false stances. Different religions have made many mistakes in the past and are continuing to today. Yet, they have, for the most part, provided helpful guidance for humanity. There is a God and if you chose to ignore Him and evidence of His actions, and teach others to do the same, you will be judged according to your actions. The law of karma is as real as the law of gravity.

I AM just trying to help you and others like you that are misguided. It's easy for many to dismiss the Bible because it's 2,000 years old and you can blow it off as non-historical. It's not so easy to ignore this act of God from less than 200 years ago right here i the US Capitol.




Yes I know about the war .
Did god intervene? , did he save the country from the evil British ?
gimme a fuckin break it was a storm they happen all the time.
So who was god protecting? The USA? .
Briton in 1814 was Christian
and the USA?
John Adams
2nd president, Proposed and signed the Treaty of Tripoli
"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1500 years."

letter to John Taylor, 1814, quoted by Norman Cousins in In God We Trust: The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1958), p. 106-7, from James A. Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief
"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles."

letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815
Thomas Jefferson
3rd president, Drafted Declaration of Independence, Signer of Constitution, influential on 1st Amendment

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."
"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."
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Hating God is a wast of time and effort (God did not kill any of those people-
they were killed by idiots like you)
why dont you spend your time trying to
do something positive like sticking your head in an oven ?
and dont forget to blow out the pilot light.

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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 3:03 am » by Flecktarn


i dont know if you have realised this is a brad watson post under a new name pushing warped religious adgenda ,,,brad considers himself gods judge and also claims to be god ,he has a habit of sending messages saying he has judged you and you doomed ,,in the same camp as david dumass or budumbass ,,you know the one :sunny:
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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 3:09 am » by Captainkarizma


Hating God is a wast of time and effort (God did not kill any of those people-
they were killed by idiots like you)
why dont you spend your time trying to
do something positive like sticking your head in an oven ?
and dont forget to blow out the pilot light.




Where did I say I hate god?


I will believe in god in my own way.
Not be told how to believe.
Did you know hell was created by the church to control the thoughts of free thinkers?

WHERE DOES THE WORD HELL COME FROM?
Webster's Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under "Hell"
says: "from 'helan' to conceal." The word "hell" thus originally conveyed
no thought of heat or torment but simply of a 'covered over or concealed
place.' In the old English dialect the expression "helling potatoes" meant,
not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a
cellar.
Collier's Encyclopedia (1986, Vol 12, p.28) says concerning "Hell":
First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek
Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in the Old Testament
times refered simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral
distinctions, the word 'hell,' as understood today, is not a happy
translation."
The meaning given today to the word "hell" is that portrayed in Dante's
Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely
foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a "hell" of firey
torment, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grollier Universal
Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9,p.205) under "Hell" says: "Hindus and Buddhists
regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration.
Islamic tradition considers it as a place of eternal punishment." The idea
of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of
ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs
depicted the "nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided
over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness." Although ancient
Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual
victim would go on forever, they do portray the "other world" as featuring
"pits of fire" for "the damned."--The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by
Morris Jastrow, Jr. 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, 1960, pp. 135-200.
"Hellfire" has been a basic teaching in Christendom for many centuries,
it is understandable why The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol XIV,p.81)
said:"Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused by the early
translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the
Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of
these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not
sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception."
Nevertheless, such transliteration and consistent rendering does enable the
Bible student to make an accurate comparison of the texts in which these
original words appear and, with open mind, thereby to arrive at an
understanding of their true significance.
So, what is the 'Lake of Fire" of Revelation chapter 20? First let's
look at verse 15, it says: "Whosoever was not found written in the book of
life was cast into the lake of fire." But verse 14 says:"And death and hell
were cast into the lake of fire." Is hell itself to be tormented? And how
can death ,a condition, be thrown into a literal fire? The rest of verse 14
reads: This [the lake of fire] is the second death." Rev. 21:8 repeats this
point. What is this "second death"? The Catholic Jerusalem Bible adds this
footnote concerning "the second death": "Eternal death. The fire ... is
symbolic." Very true, for it signifies complete destruction, or
annihilation.
How interresting! "Hell" is to be destroyed! Note, however, that the
Greek word used here is Hades, which, according to Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible, means "grave." Are the dead conscious or
suffering in hell, or Hades? The Bible replies:"The dead know nothing...for
neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom,nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither
thou art hastening."--Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, Catholic Douay Version.
However you may ask "Why does Rev.20:10, say that the Devil will be
'tormented' in the lake of fire?" If, as we have seen, the lake is
symbolic, then, logically the torment is also.
In the Bible times, jailers often cruelly tortured their prisoners,
hence they were called "tormentors." In one of his illustrations, Jesus
spoke of a cruel slave as being 'delivered to jailers' (Greek, basanistes',
which actually means "tormentors" and is so rendered by the KJV at Matt.
18:34). So when Revelation speaks of the Devil and others as being
"tormented...forever" in the lake of fire, it means that they will be
"jailed" to all eternity in the second death of complete destruction. The
Devil, the death inherited from Adam, and the unrepentant wicked all are
spoken of as being destroyed eternally--"jailed" in the lake of
fire.--Compare Heb.2:14; 1 Corinthians 15:26; Psalm 37:38.
The Dogma of eternal torment is based on the immortal-soul theory.
However, the Bible clearly states: "The soul that is sinning--it shall
die."(Ezekial 18:4,20; see also Acts 3:23.) Proclaimers of hellfire have
made the true God, Jehovah, appear to be a fiend--a cruel monster--instead
of what he is: a God of love, "merciful and gracious . . . and abundant in
loving kindness."--Exodus 34:6.
Lovingly God has made provision to save men, not from torment, but from
being destroyed. Said Jesus: "God loved the world so much that he gave his
only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him not be
DESTROYED but have everlasting life.--John 3:16.
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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 3:22 am » by Redwoodrick


captainkarizma wrote:Hating God is a wast of time and effort (God did not kill any of those people-
they were killed by idiots like you)
why dont you spend your time trying to
do something positive like sticking your head in an oven ?
and dont forget to blow out the pilot light.




Where did I say I hate god?


I will believe in god in my own way.
Not be told how to believe.
Did you know hell was created by the church to control the thoughts of free thinkers?

WHERE DOES THE WORD HELL COME FROM?
Webster's Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under "Hell"
says: "from 'helan' to conceal." The word "hell" thus originally conveyed
no thought of heat or torment but simply of a 'covered over or concealed
place.' In the old English dialect the expression "helling potatoes" meant,
not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a
cellar.
Collier's Encyclopedia (1986, Vol 12, p.28) says concerning "Hell":
First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek
Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in the Old Testament
times refered simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral
distinctions, the word 'hell,' as understood today, is not a happy
translation."
The meaning given today to the word "hell" is that portrayed in Dante's
Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely
foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a "hell" of firey
torment, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grollier Universal
Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9,p.205) under "Hell" says: "Hindus and Buddhists
regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration.
Islamic tradition considers it as a place of eternal punishment." The idea
of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of
ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs
depicted the "nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided
over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness." Although ancient
Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual
victim would go on forever, they do portray the "other world" as featuring
"pits of fire" for "the damned."--The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by
Morris Jastrow, Jr. 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, 1960, pp. 135-200.
"Hellfire" has been a basic teaching in Christendom for many centuries,
it is understandable why The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol XIV,p.81)
said:"Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused by the early
translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the
Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of
these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not
sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception."
Nevertheless, such transliteration and consistent rendering does enable the
Bible student to make an accurate comparison of the texts in which these
original words appear and, with open mind, thereby to arrive at an
understanding of their true significance.
So, what is the 'Lake of Fire" of Revelation chapter 20? First let's
look at verse 15, it says: "Whosoever was not found written in the book of
life was cast into the lake of fire." But verse 14 says:"And death and hell
were cast into the lake of fire." Is hell itself to be tormented? And how
can death ,a condition, be thrown into a literal fire? The rest of verse 14
reads: This [the lake of fire] is the second death." Rev. 21:8 repeats this
point. What is this "second death"? The Catholic Jerusalem Bible adds this
footnote concerning "the second death": "Eternal death. The fire ... is
symbolic." Very true, for it signifies complete destruction, or
annihilation.
How interresting! "Hell" is to be destroyed! Note, however, that the
Greek word used here is Hades, which, according to Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible, means "grave." Are the dead conscious or
suffering in hell, or Hades? The Bible replies:"The dead know nothing...for
neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom,nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither
thou art hastening."--Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, Catholic Douay Version.
However you may ask "Why does Rev.20:10, say that the Devil will be
'tormented' in the lake of fire?" If, as we have seen, the lake is
symbolic, then, logically the torment is also.
In the Bible times, jailers often cruelly tortured their prisoners,
hence they were called "tormentors." In one of his illustrations, Jesus
spoke of a cruel slave as being 'delivered to jailers' (Greek, basanistes',
which actually means "tormentors" and is so rendered by the KJV at Matt.
18:34). So when Revelation speaks of the Devil and others as being
"tormented...forever" in the lake of fire, it means that they will be
"jailed" to all eternity in the second death of complete destruction. The
Devil, the death inherited from Adam, and the unrepentant wicked all are
spoken of as being destroyed eternally--"jailed" in the lake of
fire.--Compare Heb.2:14; 1 Corinthians 15:26; Psalm 37:38.
The Dogma of eternal torment is based on the immortal-soul theory.
However, the Bible clearly states: "The soul that is sinning--it shall
die."(Ezekial 18:4,20; see also Acts 3:23.) Proclaimers of hellfire have
made the true God, Jehovah, appear to be a fiend--a cruel monster--instead
of what he is: a God of love, "merciful and gracious . . . and abundant in
loving kindness."--Exodus 34:6.
Lovingly God has made provision to save men, not from torment, but from
being destroyed. Said Jesus: "God loved the world so much that he gave his
only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him not be
DESTROYED but have everlasting life.--John 3:16.


:flop: I have new respect for you,Captain :cheers:
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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 3:36 am » by Captainkarizma


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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 3:51 am » by Boondox681


i'm in the middle of some shit and please excuse my ignorance here,but wasn't there an episode in ancient history where not one,not two but three chinese(?) armadas were destroyed by typhoons.
in consecutive years,i believe.

a little help?this is one crazy story.
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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 3:53 am » by Troll2rocks


esther40 wrote:There are countless examples from history of proof that there is a 'God'. I'll briefly give just one...

The War of 1812 continued into 1814. In September of that year, the British sailed up the Chesapeake and marched on Washington, DC. They met very little resistance as they entered the US Capitol. The then unopposed British set fire to several Federal buildings including the White House! While the fires still raged, suddenly a hurricane passed over the Capitol and some claim to have even seen a tornado come down Pennsylvania Avenue towards the British! Not only was the White House fire and others put out by this great storm, the incredibly strong winds reportedly tossed British cannons into the air! When the storm was over, the British regulars and officers were so spooked by what had just happened, that they retreated - unopposed - to their ships and sailed off. (Google it.)


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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 3:56 am » by Tuor10


boondox681 wrote:i'm in the middle of some shit and please excuse my ignorance here,but wasn't there an episode in ancient history where not one,not two but three chinese(?) armadas were destroyed by typhoons.
in consecutive years,i believe.

a little help?this is one crazy story.


I think you're thinking of the Mongol invasion of Japan.

They built a massive fleet to invade Japan and it is thought that a massive storm destroyed most of the fleet. It has since been proven from wreckages found that the boats themselves were poorly built (they were built by the Koreans who had not long been conquered by the Mongols) and many sunk of their own volition, although the storm theory is also thought to have contributed to the destruction of the fleet. Some Japanese historian recently found texts talking about battles between Samori's and Mongol horseman. That must have been some sight.

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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 6:05 am » by Boondox681


thanx tuor.
i believe your right.
i'll hunt down the vid i'm thinking of
thanx man.
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PostSat Mar 05, 2011 6:33 am » by The57ironman


zubenelgenubi wrote:
esther40 wrote:
zubenelgenubi wrote:Are they now teaching kids in US schools that the war of 1812 was unprovoked? The US was attacking Canadian settlements, and Britain had to send a message that attacking its colonies would not be tolerated.

Zuben---,

Did you intentionally chose to change the point of God/Nature intervening in putting out the fires of the White House and others in Washington DC in 1814? Please address the issue! If you want to discuss the reasons for the War of 1812, start a new thread!! I'll reply to it. :owned:


Well if god wanted to save the US from harm he would have stopped them from doing what brought all that down on them, or at least intervened before anything bad happened to them at all as a result.

if god wanted ......................?
if god wanted to save the native americans he would have sent a hurricane and drown the whole lot of them before they brought wars to this continent....

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