God vs Aliens.

Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:00 am » by **Nothingmatters**

Since when did my favourite website turned into a Christian forum, I'm not an atheist as such but really, all the posts recently seem to be dominated with quotes from the bible and people who 'have found' Jesus ? Now that's great im happy for you ! really am ! But are their not other places with like minded people for you to talk about this ?
As their is no rapture , no second coming , no photos of angels , no end of the world due to gods wrath, and no one has turned water into wine can we not focus on topics that we are trying to uncover the truth with ?
Religion is a personal feeling and not for everyone so please can we not discuss items that are true to this websites purpose ?

regards.

Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:52 am » by **Constabul**

This sentiment is posted once every month to three months.
Tho there is a "Spirituality" section, vary few end up there. Having the religious nutters about reminds us how feasible alternative theories are ( Extremely ).

Just remember, that when considering ancient alien theory, or random convergence theory, or any other theory for that matter. It has the same, and in most cases higher probability then divine creation theory. So let the religious pushers reinforce there purposed "logic" as they operate from an absurd premise. As it is clearly evident they are lacking in security in their existence and must fill that void, with myth and fairy tale. ( tho this is the case with any who presume to "hold the facts" )

The probability of there being aliens is vary high, with the size and scope of the universe observed. In large part tho, much of what is labeled alien visitation, which is likely not, is no less myth and fairy tale, as a physiological disorder is expressed in a plea for attention.
As the internet has popularized, Attention whore.

Tho as is the probability of there being a creator force, maybe not as high in my opinion, but present none the less. In the context that we humans have defined threw religion, certianly not, if next to zero. Opens the continued debate of whom,created the creator, and where did that, how did that spring into being. Infinite regress it is called.

It does seem to distract from the whole for a site with Disclosure as its underlying principle, One has to remember it is apart of the whole, part of the journey of understanding.

I think in large part, they are after a spiritual connection, and are unsure of how to obtain that, so they seek "holy" books as a spiritual guide for dummies. Which fills that void, and adds significance to their vary short existence.

Everyone like to feel important, and a personal relationship with "God" fulfills that need, even if no other in their life will.

So god vs aliens.
Many will site their personal experience as the "proof" of such things, as they are subjective, and anecdotal. Only the individual, and those subject to similar lines of belief will consider it evidence. Which they add moral support to one another.
Where as others locked in mental asylums will site their personal belief or experience as being Napoleon, or Abraham Lincoln.. and in some cases, a Orange.
But we do not credit these as Proof, of what is being said, in the later cases, men in white jackets feeds you pills to keep you docile.
Where as in religious cases, people walk about freely, and even gather once a week together , or face a certain direction X amount of times a day, to do the same as the others,.. believe.
Alien abductees are generally just laughed at, or mocked, but the same is true for them too.

It is a crazy world we live in, and odd practices we participate in, considering ourselves civilized.

God vs Aliens....

There are not in winners in this matching.. But there are many..Many losers.

Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:36 pm » by **Spock**

But you always claimed to be agnostic Constable?

I think the reasoning behind to your statement concerning this forum, is because spirituality is not only a relative part of human experience, it is also the driving force behind endeavor. Whether it be an atheistic, scientific quest for understanding, or a religious scientific quest for understanding. Both equally religious and full of dogma.

Wipe out the spiritually religious and you are left confined within the walls of the dogma and religion of atheism.

Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:50 pm » by **Constabul**

Did I just claim otherwise?

Maybe you should re read what I wrote.

Such as,

Just remember, that when considering ancient alien theory, or random convergence theory, or any other theory for that matter. It has the same, and in most cases higher probability then divine creation theory.

or

Tho as is the probability of there being a creator force, maybe not as high in my opinion, but present none the less.

Think, in your knee jerk reaction to some of the concepts i expressed, you are quick to try and find something to poke holes threw, and are likely missing the Comprehension part of reading.

Is cool tho.

Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:55 pm » by **Spock**

Not a knee jerk reaction at all. My point was, that while you claim agnostism, you sure seem to have an understanding of what you "know" something is not.

Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:57 pm » by **Spock**

BTW, being in N.C., are you a UNC fan or maybe an ECU fan? We're getting ready to head out to the Clemson/UNC game in a few minutes.

Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:08 pm » by **Constabul**

spock wrote:Not a knee jerk reaction at all. My point was, that while you claim agnostism, you sure seem to claim to have an understanding of what you "know" something is not.

In the cases of a "god" figure, whos origin can be traced in "holy" books, or origin dates when that belief became a "religion". Certainly, i take the position of knowing these were concepts of mans creation to explain the unknown.

But while i recognize those man made limitations, I also recognize the prospect of there being a "creator" being present. Tho it introduces the thoughts of infinite regress, and equals being back where you started, Not Knowing.

Spirituality is conceptual feeling of a connection to something more. often expressed in a God figure. But this does not mean a connection is even present, nor required for there to be a creator.

It is a subjective experience that is indeterminable.

So while i recognize the limits of human understanding and knowledge, I see physiological behaviors, that are expressed in religious pursuits.

UNC, tho i'm not much a sports fan beyond MMA.
Have a good time and a safe drive man

Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:37 pm » by **Constabul**

spock wrote:I think the reasoning behind to your statement concerning this forum, is because spirituality is not only a relative part of human experience, it is also the driving force behind endeavor. Whether it be an atheistic, scientific quest for understanding, or a religious scientific quest for understanding. Both equally religious and full of dogma.

Wipe out the spiritually religious and you are left confined within the walls of the dogma and religion of atheism.

The concepts of Atheism is as result of Abrahamic faiths demand for a label of those who do not believe in their god. Where labeling becomes easier, is in cases such as Hinduism, Buddhism, or other large scale based religions.

Much as with satanism, Atheism, as it is considered today would not exist without its counterpart, Christianity.
Those who lack in a belief in general do not label themselves as such, and do not need such precepts to drive their pursuits in life, but those who are antagonist to Christianity have taken the label voluntarily, thus indeed adding teeth to the idea that atheism is a religion, which it is.

The problem with any of them is as you put it "walls of the dogma" that put the individual into a box of precepts, This is the case with any religion, that disallows for mind altering, enlightening experiences, as much if not all is already lined out in the dogma.

Even agnosticism, to a degree can be seen as such.

Beyond accumulated human knowledge, which any of us, w/out certain birth defects can learn the same as the next. There is nothing in the realm of Spiritual/religious that one can hold over the next as it is not known. It is assumptions, and feeling that lead us to claim some level of knowledge beyond the next. A subjective experience.

But Indeed, I do agree that a good bit of humanity has taken these spiritual pursuits, and used them as a driving force to learn more, create more, to try and understand more, But as it has had this effect in some, it also has been the stifling effect in stagnating the vary same things.
That in itself does not validate spiritual beliefs, or religious ones, but only describes a catalyst for motivation of human ingenuity, or human close mindedness.