Govt Shutdown: The morning after

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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 2:11 am » by RATRODROB


I guess if the US defaults in a couple of weeks and is plunged into a recession or depression, we just might find out what those FEMA camps are for, because if TSHTF there will be (over time) demonstrations, public unrest that hasn't been seen since Vietnam, riots etc, poverty, hunger, homelessness, coupled with feelings of grief, anger, despair, helplessness, and the overwhelming sense that the government, corporations, super rich, bankers, big farma and many more have betrayed the American people big time, and a lot of peeps will concede that all this were somehow deliberate and orchestrated by TPTB for their own enrichment.

I hope my feelings on this are wrong but slowly and surely, its all heading that way,

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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 2:21 am » by Temps13


Could this have anything to do with the Rothschilds flexing their muscles because they didn't get their way in Syria..?
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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 2:27 am » by Cia212


The whole thing reminds me of the Sequester Cuts - all of the liberals were predicting a meltdown, then nothing happened. Maybe people will learn not to be so dependent on the government in the first place. What a glorious world that would be...

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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 6:53 am » by Middleman


Cia212 wrote: Maybe people will learn not to be so dependent on the government in the first place.


Yeah, those children relying on the government for breakfast really should pull themselves up by their boot straps.

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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 7:46 am » by Temps13


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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 8:06 am » by Cia212


Middleman wrote:
Cia212 wrote: Maybe people will learn not to be so dependent on the government in the first place.


Yeah, those children relying on the government for breakfast really should pull themselves up by their boot straps.

The shutdown doesn't affect SNAP funding for another month. But great job selecting a straw man.

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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 8:48 am » by Middleman


From todays Wall Street Journal

The federal government's partial shutdown began pinching a number of aid programs, with preschool activities, welfare benefits and vouchers for infant formula all seeing cuts.


Or perhaps you prefer to hear it from those bleeding heart socialists at Forbes magazine?

The government shutdown may be keeping National Parks closed and furloughed federal workers at home, but worse real-world effects could soon be felt by low-income mothers and their infants — already a marginalized group with unstable food supplies.

On Tuesday, the government stopped funding the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, known as WIC.

Over 8.9 million moms and kids under five living near or below the poverty line rely on the program’s supplemental vouchers for healthy food, breastfeeding support, infant formula and other necessities dispensed at clinics nationwide.

The USDA estimates that most states will be able to continue WIC operations as usual for “a week or so” before running out of money. The department’s Food and Nutrition Service has a contingency fund of only $125 million available for this $7 billion annual appropriation.


It's easy to pretend (or believe) that government has no responsibility to the most vulnerable, or that all government employees are "on the teat" as someone wrote earlier in the thread, or that government does no good (in addition to the large amount of evil it dispenses).

I believe the world is considerably more complicated than that, and I don't apologize for reminding people of that truth when they seem to regard the misfortune of the weak as collateral damage.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 74694.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconno ... ram-halts/

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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 9:00 am » by Cia212


Middleman wrote:It's easy to pretend (or believe) that government has no responsibility to the most vulnerable, or that all government employees are "on the teat" as someone wrote earlier in the thread, or that government does no good (in addition to the large amount of evil it dispenses).

I believe the world is considerably more complicated than that, and I don't apologize for reminding people of that truth when they seem to regard the misfortune of the weak as collateral damage.

That's what makes your response a straw man argument. I never indicated that the government can't do anything effectively or that some people aren't hurt by the shutdown. Rather, that it's best if they aren't dependent in the first place. And that, like the sequester cuts, there will be no major impact from this shutdown. There COULD, EVENTUALLY be, but there won't. It's all a scare tactic. Same as the last shutdown and every talk of spending cuts in history.

Which leads to a larger point. If the only consideration of whether or not to cut spending is the possibility of collateral damage, then there can never be any cuts. And, instead of having a mild effect on some people now, everyone will be catastrophically affected when the whole financial system collapses under our debt.

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PostThu Oct 03, 2013 10:28 am » by Crusader


Shutting national parks? Do they not have public rights of way in the US?
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