H1N1 nasal spray is live virus.

Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:52 pm » by **Rawdney**

Not sure what to think of this... I'm no scientist/doctor, but It seems a little quick to be mass infecting people with a weakened virus?

"According to experts, the flu shots were made of killed influenza virus, while Flu Mist was a live but weakened strain. The nasal spray, only approved in the United States, is produced by the Maryland-based MedImmune, an AstraZeneca PLC subsidiary. Meanwhile, four other companies are making flu shots for the United States."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009- ... 078968.htm

Does this also mean that for those of us who don't take the shot/mist, that we will be walking around with a population with the weakened virus, so we will get it anyways?

Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:59 pm » by **Towelie**

Theres far too much fuss being made over this virus, telephone diagnosis, mass vaccinations, nasal sprays, someones making a fortune from all of this fearmongering. I saw on MSN a few days ago something about swine flu ready for a comeback(or words to that effect,) funnily enough i read that and then saw planes flying leaving trails - makes ya wonder how they seem to know in advance.

Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:08 am » by **Alienhealer**

flu vaccines have the flu virus in them. This is normal practise

But hey, I wouldn't worry too much, in countries now going into spring, the swine flu was just the normal seasonal flu this year, now worse than previous seasonal flu, all the hype in the US about swine flu is being blown completely out of proportion.

Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:22 pm » by **Alienhealer**

towelie wrote:Theres far too much fuss being made over this virus, telephone diagnosis, mass vaccinations, nasal sprays, someones making a fortune from all of this fearmongering. I saw on MSN a few days ago something about swine flu ready for a comeback(or words to that effect,) funnily enough i read that and then saw planes flying leaving trails - makes ya wonder how they seem to know in advance.

actually they know that their will be a second wave of swine flu because that is how pandemics work. I realise in America the media isn't that great at educating the public, but the media in many other countries have explained the basics of pandemics as have those who work in the areas, and it is also visible is past pandemics, that there is typically a second wave

Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:56 pm » by **Towelie**

alienhealer wrote:actually they know that their will be a second wave of swine flu because that is how pandemics work. I realise in America the media isn't that great at educating the public, but the media in many other countries have explained the basics of pandemics as have those who work in the areas, and it is also visible is past pandemics, that there is typically a second wave

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Yeah this is true i didnt think about seasonal effects, and around the end of summer is prime time for a viral comeback.

Naught it was same here flying in a loop, i never realy see many planes and the timing was great for that one.

Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:53 pm » by **Towelie**

Doing what? the so called chem-trails, ive no idea, ive never realy seen them, just that one plane doin a loop and what looked like the letter x right above my house months ago.
Theres loadsa possible resons though, there have been a lot of weather related tests done over the last 20 yrs or so and a lot of them could be these.

Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:32 pm » by **Savwafair2012**

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Discovery Reveals Fate Of Nanoparticles In Human Cells
ScienceDaily (Sep. 22, 2009) — Scientists funded by the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council (BBSRC) have uncovered what happens to biomimetic nanoparticles when they enter human cells. They found that the important proteins that make up the outer layer of these nanoparticles are degraded by an enzyme called cathepsin L. Scientists now have to take this phenomenon into account and overcome this process to ensure the exciting field of nanomedicine can progress.

The research is published September 22, 2009 in ACS Nano.

Dr Raphaël Lévy, a BBSRC David Phillips Fellow at the University of Liverpool and lead researcher on the project said: "We've known for some time that nanoparticles are taken into cells and there have been experiments done to establish their final destinations, but we didn't know until now what state they are in by the time they get there."

In most biological applications, nanoparticles are coated with a layer of molecules, often proteins, which determine the use of nanoparticles when they enter cells. The researchers have confirmed, in a wide range of cells, that nanoparticles are taken into a region called the endosome, where this essential coating is degraded by cathepsin L.

Dr Violaine Sée, also a BBSRC David Phillips Fellow at the University of Liverpool, and joint corresponding author, added: "One of the promising applications of nanoparticles in medicine is to use them as a method to deliver therapeutic protein molecules inside cells. For these biological therapies to be effective the proteins have to be maintained with high integrity and unfortunately we have seen this compromised by the degrading action of cathepsin L."

The design of any intracellular nanodevice must now take into account the possibility of cathepsin L degradation and either bypass the endosome area all together or have some built-in inhibition of the enzyme.

Dr Lévy continued: "The methods we have developed will help with this as we can now measure the location and the state of the nanoparticle quickly and quantitatively."

Professor Douglas Kell, BBSRC Chief Executive said: "Nanotechnology is an interesting area that has the potential to push all sorts of technological boundaries. There is promise of some useful applications in biology and we've already seen some excellent results with the development of nanomagnetic technology to guide therapeutic proteins and DNA to specific sites to treat tumours, for example. Fundamental bioscience research such as this, helps drive forward nanomedicine to ensure it has a real impact on health and wellbeing in the future."

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Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:05 am » by **Esoteric**

German scientists take the German goverment to court over chemtrails:
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