Hasbara spam alert: Israli volunteers flood websites

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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 5:48 pm » by Cornbread714


To me, it's not so much about respecting someone's point of view or not - I, personally, have no problem with almost any point of view - it's about trying to figure out (based first on a gut feeling) who is here on a paid mission. If you are getting paid by a government to disseminate information, you are a propagandist, whether or not you believe in what you are saying.

Based on my gut feeling, I've done a little digging, and what I've found out so far is very interesting. I'm not saying I have proof, but I have some interesting evidence that I WILL be releasing as soon as I can get a bit more confirmation.

Keep in mind, I could be wrong, and I want to find out for sure before I make any direct accusations, or begin banning anyone, but let's just say that several people are posting from the same place and that there are blacklists and spam alerts elsewhere on the web concerning the same address.

If someone here is a spammer or paid propagandist and it's proven, they will have to go.

I would never have gone this far with it if it weren't so blatant and if several people (new members included) hadn't all been traced to the same physical address and if there hadn't been evidence of problems elsewhere concerning IPs from that same address.
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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 5:51 pm » by Disinfoagent007


74q1li45ho7 wrote:
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mediasorcerer wrote:no one ever ask,s why people become terrorists,never do they ask this question,WHY,WHY,WHY??? its not an action,its a "re-action".

quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled

so is this verse talk about self defence ? ("re-action")
or does it talk about ACTION ?

quran 9:5 "slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

again in this verse we see action not "re-action"



disinfoagent007 wrote:You can find that kind of crap in almost every "holy" book.

are you saying that the quran is crap?

disinfoagent007 wrote:Your argument is the mainstream media´s version of why morons blow them selves up.

my argument is based on verses in the quran not from mainstream media

disinfoagent007 wrote:The rightwing bloodhungry warmongors are scared if the midle east go democratic without violence...that is why they need volunteers to spam sites like DTV :vomit:

islam + democracy = islam



Zionism + Democracy = Apartheid

...and the MSN is only quoting the bad things in the quran, wich a VERY small part of the muslim world follows.

The MSN antimuslim propaganda is using the same tools as in the 1930´s...and I hope we can agree about that we don´t want to re-live 1940´s, right?

Ps. I say the quran is crap...like the talmud, the bible and the mayan calender!!!
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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 5:51 pm » by Heinousone


74q1li45ho7 wrote:
74q1li45ho7 wrote:
mediasorcerer wrote:no one ever ask,s why people become terrorists,never do they ask this question,WHY,WHY,WHY??? its not an action,its a "re-action".

quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled

so is this verse talk about self defence ? ("re-action")
or does it talk about ACTION ?

quran 9:5 "slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

again in this verse we see action not "re-action"



disinfoagent007 wrote:You can find that kind of crap in almost every "holy" book.

are you saying that the quran is crap?

disinfoagent007 wrote:Your argument is the mainstream media´s version of why morons blow them selves up.

my argument is based on verses in the quran not from mainstream media

disinfoagent007 wrote:The rightwing bloodhungry warmongors are scared if the midle east go democratic without violence...that is why they need volunteers to spam sites like DTV :vomit:

islam + democracy = islam


So is this guy with his four posts that are mainly or entirely in this thread (didnt take time to go back fully and count) one of these volunteers? Or is he just trying to act like one in order to give credence to the idea. He isnt very well spoken and doesnt put together points very well so I cannot see why he would be put to task but then again we are talking about volunteers.....

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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 6:02 pm » by Proto


Corn i have nothing to hide or fear , please DO share your findings as I'm curious
about it as well .

disinfoagent007 wrote:
proto wrote:like in this case , were the author is far from being innocent bystander


Don´t blame the messenger for what he quote.

He quotes a letter from the Israli goverment...the letter calls for you and other sheeple to spam the websites like DTV with (dis-)information about the greatnes of the apartheid.



he quoted the letters alright , but the letters didn't mentioned spam,flooding or propaganda,
that was the author (based on his prejudices) interpretation .
on the contrary ,the letters mentioned "balancing" the media ,and not complete take
over . and to add to this your interpretation here ,of his writing took it even few notches
above the author levels in distorting the original quoted message .

disinfoagent007 wrote:I like that you argue for what you belive in, proto...for that you have my respect :flop:


well that's great ,if we can only keep the levels of discussion at these levels instead of
childish personal attacks it would be great .

disinfoagent007 wrote:I don´t agree with you...and I hope you some day will see the hypocrazy in what you preach.
...religion is a mental thing, yours is no better or worse than others!!!


well .it obvious you don't agree with me and i wish for you the same , and I'm not religious .
but i respect ALL religions non violent sides ,and at the same time reject ALL religions violent sides.in my view all religions are equal ,what people make of it is what's important .
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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 6:08 pm » by Cornbread714


proto wrote:Corn i have nothing to hide or fear , please DO share your findings as I'm curious
about it as well .



I'll definitely let you know. I just need to talk to a friend first who knows a little more about this technical stuff than I do. I promise, though, whether I'm right or wrong, to make a full report of what I have found.
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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 6:15 pm » by Proto


I'll be waiting :flop:

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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 6:18 pm » by 74q1li45ho7


disinfoagent007 wrote:Zionism + Democracy = Apartheid
my lawyers will contact you on that one
they are busy at the moment with jimmy carter

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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 6:51 pm » by Epicfailure


cornbread714 wrote:
proto wrote:Corn i have nothing to hide or fear , please DO share your findings as I'm curious
about it as well .



I'll definitely let you know. I just need to talk to a friend first who knows a little more about this technical stuff than I do. I promise, though, whether I'm right or wrong, to make a full report of what I have found.



I will be waiting too, it would be nice to know what you consider spammers, when you let BRAD WATSON spam the shit out of everyone in threads and personal emails and then come into here and claim you are cracking a big case when the most obvious candidates are right in front of your face....

not to be a dick, and not to jump on your nuts, but sometimes you don't need to dig deep to know a bullshit poster, spammer, and multiple account user..

that and you guys have the tools to see what user is from what IP and if that user also has another name or more accounts in 1-2 steps.

I know I have falsely accused people before, as have you, but seriously... the most obvious ones are right here and right in front of your face:

ZINZANA

Brad Watson

and I can't think of anymore right now, but I would think that would be a good place to start...

once again don't get upset of huffy, I am only stating well known facts around this place that seem to get ignored a lot and nothing done about until you have 1 person screaming at them calling them out, then you think the righteous thing to do is lock down the thread and ban both parties instead of the one responsible..... you guys kill the messengers a lot and that is something I don't respect about the moderation, like when "Raphael" went on his little bullshit tirade and you have literally handfuls of people telling you that he has been all over the forum world spamming his shit (like watson does) but yet you guys decided to ban me and threaten to ban Troll2rocks for calling someone of that caliber out, and I have been here just as long as most of you "valued veterans" so don't give me that "it's tough knowing how to moderate right" line.....

because I have applied for the moderator position, only to be ignored, yelled and confronted the ones that have disrupted this site (as have many others), brought to the attention to moderators of peoples said actions, but yet these things get ignored....

but yep, I am just being the crybaby here.... so let's continue to ignore people that constantly hunt these people down for you guys, and then punish them or ignore their efforts because they don't carry a certain title, so they aren't "worthy" to have a serious opinion on what people or events are effecting the site...especially coming from multiple people on one particular user.... if that is considered conspiracy then this is the wrong place to be...

I am not talking about debate and mud throwing because people feel like being immature, I am talking about the blatantly obvious, very spammerific, very multi-user, very disruptive users / user.....
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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 6:57 pm » by Epicfailure


and not to be a dick or throw anyone under a bus...

but what about Otomon?

he has 2 accounts right?

but we all know it's him so it's ok, and I really don't have a problem with that because I know it's him, but to new users, they aren't going to know the difference, they will see 2 different people, so when you really think about it whether intentional or not, someone is being mislead by that.....

sorry Otomon, I didn't want to make you an example, but you are the only user here that I know (besides megame's "madgremlin") that has admitted to having more than one account, but when new users come here and see 2 different names they are going to assume it's more than one person......I know, I know, it's like 2 personalities of Otomon, but seriously is it necessary?

I am not upset, or angry, I just want to know what the standard is around here in regards to that, and what is allowed to slide and isn't....

anyways yeah, get back at us in regards to that piece you are working on cornbread, it would be nice to see who all is who, and how many of them there are.
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PostWed Feb 16, 2011 8:20 pm » by Allreadydead


cornbread714 wrote:
proto wrote:Corn i have nothing to hide or fear , please DO share your findings as I'm curious
about it as well .



I'll definitely let you know. I just need to talk to a friend first who knows a little more about this technical stuff than I do. I promise, though, whether I'm right or wrong, to make a full report of what I have found.


Awaiting the results with interest. :think:
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