Hell. The Devil's Domain. HD.

[Fatbastard Profile]

[Cosmine Profile]

An hour and a half of peoples that don't know what they talking about...a watch ten mins of it.
1:Satan is chief of the archons a bunch of wanna be demons whom created their own private hell over here.
2:Lucifer is among other things chief warden of hell,not a punishment but a dirty job that "someone" gotta do,his minions not fallen angels but evil angels kinda the immune system of the spirit world.
3: basically there are many hells some for temporary punishment,then reform school,then come back here for another tour.
and a closed hell for the really wicked souls that can't be reform.

[Constabul Profile]

The premise of hell and the devil, is actually more laughable then the premise of heaven and god, but dont be mistaken both are absurd concepts of man.

First, that there is a devil, that for some reason god can not be rid of, when we have documentation of god getting rid of plenty of things. (In the bible).
Be it destroying the worlds population save for one family, or killing newborns of Egypt, or vaporizing whole cities of sinners and many more examples riddled throughout the bible, Yet this one pesky devil, that does what the devil gets blamed for, is not destroyed, More so, he has his own Hidden domain, where the mail does not run, that god in his infinite power can not destroy. So far to me this makes zero sense.

So what then? Can god destroy it, or not.
This devil usurps his creations, takes their souls, corrupts the freewill process, and yet god does nothing, or chooses to do nothing.
So is god sitting idle when (others claim) he is more powerful then the mean ole devil?
I mean, He flooded a world, Killed all the inhabitants, He would Smite whole cities into pillars of salt, and plenty other examples that get sited as the proof of his might.
He chooses not to destroy the devil and hell?

Enter in the New testament and Christ, If the devil is a catalyst of sin, and Christ died for those sins, does it not seem a bit pointless, when you as god could destroy the devil, remove the catalyst of sin, and save the whole episode of dieing for sins?
The new testament preaches a benevolent god. When by the ties it makes, one could see indeed it is a malevolent god, and is further illustrated in the NT.

Because the same questions arise, is god so benevolent, that he becomes complacent as to allow this rebel the devil to exist, or is he not all powerful and can not destroy the devil, or is he malevolent and uses the devil as a tool.

(Claimed) evidences would indicate it is not due to a lack of power, He created everything, and kills for any number of reasons as one can easily see in the OT.
(Again Claimed) Evidences would indicate it is not Benevolence. Again, he has destroyed whole cities, Killed infants, commanded the slaughter of men women and children by his "Chosen" people.
So what are we left with? Malevolence? If he is malevolent, it is against the (claimed) teaching of the NT, That he is supposed to be a god of salvation, Not Malevolent. But why would a god, that is not malevolent, allow for a devil that temps man into sin (or to some is the root of sin), when by the (Claimed) sacrifice of god, by his own son to die for sins, When he allows the catalyst for those sins to continue to exist.

If he is a malevolent god, Which seems to be, Why call him god?

To further this, if any are still reading at this point, Some would claim that god "changed" his ways, from the way he was in the OT, to a New covenant in the NT.
This is a concept that smells of man. God is or isn't one way or another, They are basically saying, god matured and was not the hell raiser he used to be. All those chicks and bars were a thing of the past, and he is settling down now. Having a kid, and taking it easier.

These concepts, are mans concepts. There is no logic or reason to be attributed when you are presenting the premise of an Omni-being (God). He does not have to "Grow" and change his ways, It already is in all ways. But this is the bullshit coated pill you are to swallow if you are to be a believer. Some people through faith ignore the bullshit flavor as the pill goes down. But no mistaking it, It was bullshit.

[Fatbastard Profile]

The premise of hell and the devil, is actually more laughable then the premise of heaven and god, but dont be mistaken both are absurd concepts of man.

First, that there is a devil, that for some reason god can not be rid of, when we have documentation of god getting rid of plenty of things. (In the bible).
Be it destroying the worlds population save for one family, or killing newborns of Egypt, or vaporizing whole cities of sinners and many more examples riddled throughout the bible, Yet this one pesky devil, that does what the devil gets blamed for, is not destroyed, More so, he has his own Hidden domain, where the mail does not run, that god in his infinite power can not destroy. So far to me this makes zero sense.

So what then? Can god destroy it, or not.
This devil usurps his creations, takes their souls, corrupts the freewill process, and yet god does nothing, or chooses to do nothing.
So is god sitting idle when (others claim) he is more powerful then the mean ole devil?
I mean, He flooded a world, Killed all the inhabitants, He would Smite whole cities into pillars of salt, and plenty other examples that get sited as the proof of his might.
He chooses not to destroy the devil and hell?

Enter in the New testament and Christ, If the devil is a catalyst of sin, and Christ died for those sins, does it not seem a bit pointless, when you as god could destroy the devil, remove the catalyst of sin, and save the whole episode of dieing for sins?
The new testament preaches a benevolent god. When by the ties it makes, one could see indeed it is a malevolent god, and is further illustrated in the NT.

Because the same questions arise, is god so benevolent, that he becomes complacent as to allow this rebel the devil to exist, or is he not all powerful and can not destroy the devil, or is he malevolent and uses the devil as a tool.

(Claimed) evidences would indicate it is not due to a lack of power, He created everything, and kills for any number of reasons as one can easily see in the OT.
(Again Claimed) Evidences would indicate it is not Benevolence. Again, he has destroyed whole cities, Killed infants, commanded the slaughter of men women and children by his "Chosen" people.
So what are we left with? Malevolence? If he is malevolent, it is against the (claimed) teaching of the NT, That he is supposed to be a god of salvation, Not Malevolent. But why would a god, that is not malevolent, allow for a devil that temps man into sin (or to some is the root of sin), when by the (Claimed) sacrifice of god, by his own son to die for sins, When he allows the catalyst for those sins to continue to exist.

If he is a malevolent god, Which seems to be, Why call him god?

To further this, if any are still reading at this point, Some would claim that god "changed" his ways, from the way he was in the OT, to a New covenant in the NT.
This is a concept that smells of man. God is or isn't one way or another, They are basically saying, god matured and was not the hell raiser he used to be. All those chicks and bars were a thing of the past, and he is settling down now. Having a kid, and taking it easier.

These concepts, are mans concepts. There is no logic or reason to be attributed when you are presenting the premise of an Omni-being (God). He does not have to "Grow" and change his ways, It already is in all ways. But this is the bullshit coated pill you are to swallow if you are to be a believer. Some people through faith ignore the bullshit flavor as the pill goes down. But no mistaking it, It was bullshit.

Touché.

[Constabul Profile]

Touché.

I know you enjoy your catch phrase and all, but not even close.

[Cosmine Profile]

So what then? Can god destroy it, or not.
This devil usurps his creations, takes their souls, corrupts the freewill process, and yet god does nothing, or chooses to do nothing.

That's the test of souls Satan IS part of the creation,it is his role to make us fall.
Like getting a UNIVERSity diploma the qualifications to get into heaven are very high,giving toy to children on xmas,or gazing one's navel for a lifetime just ain't enough.

[Fatbastard Profile]

Touché.

I know you enjoy your catch phrase and all, but not even close.

I refer you too an on going argument on, "Reptilian Thread." I've had enough of the 'shit and arguments.' Debarcle I can take, but the rest gets boring after a while.

[Constabul Profile]

Touché.

I know you enjoy your catch phrase and all, but not even close.

I refer you too an on going argument on, "Reptilian Thread." I've had enough of the 'shit and arguments.' Debarcle I can take, but the rest gets boring after a while.

Not sure how you think my comments were Directed at you, but You're attributing a bit much to yourself.
They weren't. It is in general response to the nincompoops who believe in the devil, and god. Heaven and hell. They have no sense of critical thinking, or logic.
Express the conundrums to them and they make excuses to explain away the obvious contradictions.

But no, I was not trying to start an argument with you or anyone. Faith can not present proof, cause then it would not be faith. You can not argue with faith, because they have no evidences to argue, only faith. Which is a subjective experience (In other words, a symptom) Not a sign, (In other words evidence.) Tho many will not understand the concept of a sign, and claim they get all kind of signs, when in fact those are still just subjective symptoms.

As i said there is nothing to argue, only concepts to be expressed. Now if you think that is "Touché" I would submit you are the one looking for the arguments, or at the vary least to be a shit stirrer.

[Fatbastard Profile]

I know you enjoy your catch phrase and all, but not even close.
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I refer you too an on going argument on, "Reptilian Thread." I've had enough of the 'shit and arguments.' Debarcle I can take, but the rest gets boring after a while.[/quote]

Not sure how you think my comments were Directed at you, but You're attributing a bit much to yourself.
They weren't. It is in general response to the nincompoops who believe in the devil, and god. Heaven and hell. They have no sense of critical thinking, or logic.
Express the conundrums to them and they make excuses to explain away the obvious contradictions.

But no, I was not trying to start an argument with you or anyone. Faith can not present proof, cause then it would not be faith. You can not argue with faith, because they have no evidences to argue, only faith. Which is a subjective experience (In other words, a symptom) Not a sign, (In other words evidence.) Tho many will not understand the concept of a sign, and claim they get all kind of signs, when in fact those are still just subjective symptoms.

As i said there is nothing to argue, only concepts to be expressed. Now if you think that is "Touché" I would submit you are the one looking for the arguments, or at the vary least to be a shit stirrer.[/quote]
Touché, is a french fencing term. It also means, we are in agreement. Two fencers who strike each other at the same time. Both will be killed. "Touché."

[Otoel Profile]

Do you want a vision of Hell with better quality than HD?

Okay, simply go out your door and witness the fact that rapes, murders and crimes are being committed at all times, and the biggest of these crimes are renamed in order to justify them under words such as "War, Federal Reserves" etc etc. Look at the fact your world has not had a second of peace...EVER. Your World is Hell, stop trying to look for a mystical place that you only access when your physical vehicle expires, you are in it as you read this. But even Yeshua who was one of the Light, descended into metaphorical Hell and even then the demons wearing suits of skin denied him. Realize where you are right now, before you start thinking on where you are going. Division is schedule immediately. There is no emotion attached to it, only appropriate placement of things, just like anything in your Universe.