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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 3:52 am » by Bleever


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Chaindrive wrote:So tell me Bleever .. as to what denomination are you.? Now dont lie... I dont thing your "god" would approve of that kind of behavior.. :think:


Non denominational reformed Christian.

You?


before my answer.. your thoughts on this:

If I take a lamp and shine it toward the wall, a bright spot will appear on the wall. The lamp is our search for truth, for understanding. Too often we assume that the light on the wall is God. But the light is not the goal of the search; it is the result of the search. The more intense the search, the brighter the light on the wall. The brighter the light on the wall, the greater the sense of revelation upon seeing it! Similarly, someone who does not search, who does not bring a lantern with him, sees nothing. What we perceive as God, is the byproduct of our search for God. It may simply be an appreciation of the light, pure and unblemished, not understanding that it comes from us. Sometimes we stand in front of the light and assume that we are the center of the universe. God looks astonishingly like we do! Or we turn to look at our shadow, and assume that all is darkness. If we allow ourselves to get in the way, we defeat the purpose; which is to use the light of our search to illuminate the wall in all its beauty - and in all its flaws. And in so doing better understand the world around us.


There is really no reason to shine a lamp onto a wall. Perhaps you shine a light in darkness to illuminate your surrounds because you cannot see or the fear of darkness that has set in.

At some point you humble yourself and except greater things than you. You are not a god. You need a god. So except your god and carry on. To assume you deserve more, assumes you are that wall, in a room, devoid of any light.
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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 3:54 am » by handy4321


I hate to point out the obvious but MEN wrote every friggin version of every book of your bible. Prove otherwise! Every fiber of your belief is to take it on faith. Sounds like a con to me. Don't get me wrong, it is good to have hope, to believe in something. I choose to believe in the conscience of the universe, but I will not push my beliefs on you, will you do me and others the same courtesy? Most likely not because that is one of the biggest parts of your religion, to drag as many down with you as possible on the premise of saving them. Not to forget that your god has stamped out billions of lives. :pray:

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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 3:55 am » by Bleever


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Vulcanic wrote:hey bleever even know i don't believe like you do i still respect your faith and belief, and to me to have any faith in anything can be a powerful motivator and good for the soul,, so i am not bashing your faith i'm just trying to explain my thinking.


Thanks for the mature tone and sophistication of your thought process. That's why I will always give you my time, agree or disagree. It's nice to see 'gentlemen' still exist for the sake of opining.



yeah i would never want to hurt or take away your faith, kinda wish i had it, but i anilize everything way way to much so its impossible for me..plus i love ancient history to much so i see connections that may or may not be there,, to me i think there are but that don't mean its true,we will never know sadly

but i do ask myself what if god came to me like moses and said everyone on my street was a non believer and i should kill them all and there pets, i think i tell this god to go to hell ,, wouldn't you?


like Moses, we would resist, over and over again, however this would be futile. God made it clear he was the one who 'harden' Pharaohs heart. As far as kill them and there pets...wow I hope that never happens...
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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 3:59 am » by Bleever


handy4321 wrote:I hate to point out the obvious but MEN wrote every friggin version of every book of your bible. Prove otherwise! Every fiber of your belief is to take it on faith. Sounds like a con to me. Don't get me wrong, it is good to have hope, to believe in something. I choose to believe in the conscience of the universe, but I will not push my beliefs on you, will you do me and others the same courtesy? Most likely not because that is one of the biggest parts of your religion, to drag as many down with you as possible on the premise of saving them. Not to forget that your god has stamped out billions of lives. :pray:


Well you missed my point entirely, however, I think most here get it to some degree.

Moving on, let's discuss your position, shall we?

" I choose to believe in the conscience of the universe"

Could you articulate clearly what this means?

Did you come to this by yourself, or can you provide factual links? As I am most curious.

Thanks.
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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 4:06 am » by handy4321


Did your god tell you to be condescending, or did you choose that route yourself? Conscience can and has been proven to exist,now it's your turn, prove that your god exists. I thought not. :lol:

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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 4:09 am » by Bleever


handy4321 wrote:Did your god tell you to be condescending, or did you choose that route yourself? Conscience can and has been proven to exist,now it's your turn, prove that your god exists. I thought not. :lol:


Very nicely done, well thought out and clearly articulated. I love this gem, "Conscience can and has been proven to exist", you my friend are utterly remarkable.

Keep up the good work and welcome to DTV.
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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 4:13 am » by handy4321


Keep up the good work and welcome to DTV.


Thank you and welcome yourself. :cheers:

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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 4:14 am » by Bleever


So, anyhow, I gotta run to the store and get some ice cream for my wife. If anyone wants to continue I'm game...I just need a few minutes...
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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 4:23 am » by Noentry


Noentry wrote:I never understood the motives behind God kicking out Adam and Eve for being manipulated by the Devil.
If God is the creator all all things above and bellow, could he not of just fixed the mistake rather then expel us?

Is the bible being truthful when it quotes God as saying "I am a Jealous God"
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When you get back from the shop with your ice cream any chance of an answer Bleever?
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PostSun Jul 21, 2013 4:48 am » by Bleever


Noentry wrote:
Noentry wrote:I never understood the motives behind God kicking out Adam and Eve for being manipulated by the Devil.
If God is the creator all all things above and bellow, could he not of just fixed the mistake rather then expel us?

Is the bible being truthful when it quotes God as saying "I am a Jealous God"
:think:



When you get back from the shop with your ice cream any chance of an answer Bleever?
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Ahh...yes, Mah-Dee-Oh...I do apologize as I did get a little side tracked and did not answer your question.

However, your question begats a slippery slope, Did God ordain sin?

Is this your question?
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