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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 6:41 pm » by Bleever


Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible



Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.

(The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.

The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.

As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.

(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*

(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)

(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)

(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)

(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1015.)

(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109.)

(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1018.)

(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).

This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 120.)

(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)

(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 107).

(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109).

(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 108).

(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013).

Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)—that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.

Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?

*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:

Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5000 that his ministry could begin in 26 A.D.
Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.

Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105.

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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 6:45 pm » by Bleever


Moreover, when you couple this info on how the Bible was written; we know that the authors have been, kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets, statesmen and a doctor and some scholars. The Christian Bible is 66 books written in 3 languages, 40 different authors, on three continents over 1500 years, and yet it is the most profound book ever written. Moreover, it tackles the most difficult questions and yet it has never been proven to be inaccurate in any way. The Bible was authored by divine inspiration. God’s supernatural guidance of the writers and their situation enabled them to receive and communicate all God would have us know for his glory and our salvation.

Does anyone know of or are there any other books that stack up to the Bible?
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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 6:51 pm » by oko777


this is an article completely written by a bullshit artist ...


the babble has 70,000 mistranslations and errors , and that is according to bible scholars


80% of the stories are about aliens visiting us


if you want our true history, see the pleiadean writings, who are watching and recording
everything we do for 100,000 years ...

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http://www.myspace.com/xirdal and http://www.theyfly.com


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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 6:58 pm » by Bleever


oko777 wrote:this is an article completely written by a bullshit artist ...


the babble has 70,000 mistranslations and errors , and that is according to bible scholars


80% of the stories are about aliens visiting us


if you want our true history, see the pleiadean writings, who are watching and recording
everything we do for 100,000 years ...

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http://www.myspace.com/xirdal and http://www.theyfly.com


...


Welcome, nice first post to you!

Please provide me a bible scholar links verifying this...

Please provide me your book or documents other than a 'myspace' page, perhaps upgrade to Facebook or something...

*Sigh...anyhow, welcome.
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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 7:10 pm » by handy4321


When a plan is formed and followed to the tee, an amazing degree of accuracy crops up as well. Do you suppose there could be a correlation?

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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 7:31 pm » by Cambay411


The old Testament was written about 3,500+ years ago. Moses himslef wrote some of these books which have been backed by archealogy.

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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 7:34 pm » by Bleever


handy4321 wrote:When a plan is formed and followed to the tee, an amazing degree of accuracy crops up as well. Do you suppose there could be a correlation?

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Well if you are referring to how to live your life and how the inerrancy of the Bible, then yes.

The one thing that really sticks in my head is how the Bible and its authority and accuracy has with stood so many cultural uprisings. And, now, here we are at yet 'our' version of 'our' culture and yet so many people think the Bible is not relevant in some way. Yet, the ironic fact remains the only commonality or thread between these cultures is the Bible itself.

So many sit here and pontificate many things, such as aliens, NWO, Illuminati and so forth and so on...however, from my perspective it truly matters not as we are living out God's intended plan. If you cannot see it now, you will. However, I do profess that we nor I can fathom the unfathomable so in the face of certain undebunkable facts (the Bible's authority) this must be our starting point of understanding God.

This generation we currently live will also not be able to disprove the Bible in one iota. . With the Old Testament Jesus was the one to come and fulfill scriptures of the Law of Moses, the Prophets and Psalms. And, with the New Testament it shows how Jesus did in fact fulfill the Old Testament scriptures through His virgin birth, life, death and resurrection.

After all this...Jesus makes one thing VERY clear.

He's coming back.
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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 7:41 pm » by Bleever


Chaindrive wrote:
oko777 wrote:this is an article completely written by a bullshit artist ...


the babble has 70,000 mistranslations and errors , and that is according to bible scholars


80% of the stories are about aliens visiting us


if you want our true history, see the pleiadean writings, who are watching and recording
everything we do for 100,000 years ...

at

http://www.myspace.com/xirdal and http://www.theyfly.com


...



oko777.... stop.. just stop... dont even bother... your about to cross swords with a CULTIST a hard core, bible thumping, brain washed cultist... theres another one floating around here (and its name escapes me at the moment)... youd have a FAR interesting conversation with your toaster then with these cretins..

btw.. Im STILL waiting for a answer thats NOT spewed off the most plagiarized book in human history (and the most stolen)... to THIS question.. in YOUR own words... now watch oko777, it wont happen.. itll ALL be "quoted" off their little books.. and NOT a personal response... why.? Well.. they have NO independent thought. NO independent views and NO independent humanity within them to say anything thats NOT alread programed into their little heads...


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What a shock... "day of the rapture" and these two WILL be left behind... :lol: "Wheres YOUR "god" now..?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


lastly and more importantly oko777.. :hiho:


Hello Chaindrive...for a guy who has yet one question; Who created God? Why do you resort to name calling?

You demeanor is telling, it's not about this one question you seek b/c it if were true and your intent pure then you would long to answer this "very popular' question.

But, alas, nothing cannot create nothing. Something had to exist eternally to create something.
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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 7:44 pm » by Cambay411


Chaindrive wrote:
oko777 wrote:this is an article completely written by a bullshit artist ...


the babble has 70,000 mistranslations and errors , and that is according to bible scholars


80% of the stories are about aliens visiting us


if you want our true history, see the pleiadean writings, who are watching and recording
everything we do for 100,000 years ...

at

http://www.myspace.com/xirdal and http://www.theyfly.com


...



oko777.... stop.. just stop... dont even bother... your about to cross swords with a CULTIST a hard core, bible thumping, brain washed cultist... theres another one floating around here (and its name escapes me at the moment)... youd have a FAR interesting conversation with your toaster then with these cretins..

btw.. Im STILL waiting for a answer thats NOT spewed off the most plagiarized book in human history (and the most stolen)... to THIS question.. in YOUR own words... now watch oko777, it wont happen.. itll ALL be "quoted" off their little books.. and NOT a personal response... why.? Well.. they have NO independent thought. NO independent views and NO independent humanity within them to say anything thats NOT alread programed into their little heads...


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What a shock... "day of the rapture" and these two WILL be left behind... :lol: "Wheres YOUR "god" now..?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


lastly and more importantly oko777.. :hiho:







Im not saying the Bible is 100% the way things are or went down. However, I wouldnt be so naive to think that someone not being able to answer that question proves much.

No one today could possibly answer this question. The Bible itself doesnt give us an answer so I think its safe to say no one today could answer this question.

And say they were incestual because they had to reproduce and populate the world. What does that prove? God had already cast Adam and Eve out in punishment and man was now sinful. So yeah they sinned.

Or maybe God just gave them the go ahead to do so in order to populate Earth?

However, its a good question just to debate on but it doesnt prove much in the big scheme of things.

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PostSat Jul 20, 2013 8:00 pm » by handy4321


Blinders. The old testament on one side, the new testament on the other. You are FOLLOWING the "script" perfectly as intended. By all means, do not follow your own train of thought. You must stick to the "script" or you will be ripped apart for ever and ever by your just and merciful god! :nails: :headscratch: :bang;


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