Hidden hand & Illuminator13 Great Harvest 2012

Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:04 pm » by **Cornbread714**

Becks, sorry if I dismissed this material without discussing it.

The HH interview touches on a lot of subjects that are worth exploring.

It's true that the core Masonic secrets revolve around Luciferian principles.

A lot of what HH refers to is "real" in the sense that it is grounded in common esoteric knowledge that can be found in modern Kabbalism, various mystery schools, the works of Karl Jung and many other places.

I recommend researching these avenues from less shadowy and suspect sources.

You might read some books on Kabbala by Israel Regardie, check out Jung's Answer to Job, Alan Watts's works, or some of Robert Anton Wilson's non-fiction, for a start. HH has done a lot of reading but his statements are contradictory and skewed and end up in complete almost incoherent bullshit territory.

Those who lurk in the internet talking about bloodlines and soul harvests are to be viewed with the utmost skepticism. There are many who would plunder the wisdom of the ages for their own ends. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:18 pm » by **Lowsix**

cornbread714 wrote:, check out Jung's Answer to Job,

Hands down the most important reading i have come across in my entire life,
and made sense out of the old testament, and other writings of his (even though he was a pagan, returned me to a sense of faith not dependent on biblical inconsistencies and crappy priests to still believe in a god. (even though people mischaracterize my beliefs becuase I can academically defend literary christianity as a psychological model

cornbread714 wrote:Those who lurk in the internet talking about bloodlines and soul harvests are to be viewed with the utmost skepticism. There are many who would plunder the wisdom of the ages for their own ends. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

I do wonder why you can say it, and not have the full force of the internet retard goon squad come after you, but if I say it, they write page upon page upon page of made up nonsense about how and why i have no beliefs, or that all i can do is crash openmindedness...and bash people. (which is fucking retarded)

Puzzles me to no end.
I dont lose sleep, but its puzzling.

You are right as always corn.

I do hope you and i meet someday..I hope to buy you some beers and get green with ya.
im glad beyond words youve stuck around.

Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:35 pm » by **Cornbread714**

Thanks, Six.

I don't get attacked so much as ignored, which is a worse fate to an egotist such as I.

Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:42 pm » by **Proto**

LowSix wrote:
I do wonder why you can say it, and not have the full force of the internet retard goon squad come after you, but if I say it, they write page upon page upon page of made up nonsense about how and why i have no beliefs, or that all i can do is crash openmindedness...and bash people. (which is fucking retarded)

it's not about what you say it's about your attitude ,
it's all about your attitude , lets compare what corn said :

"Those who lurk in the internet talking about bloodlines and soul harvests are to be viewed with the utmost skepticism. There are many who would plunder the wisdom of the ages for their own ends. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

to what you said :

LowSix wrote:
"Bullshitting narcissistic lunatic assholes
who scour the internet for suckers and fools,
while pretending to be either angels
or ruling reptilians need not apply."

see any difference ?
everyone entitled to have opinion but you often present your opinion as
the absolute truth ,and bash everyone that disagree with you .
yeah everyone picking on you ,right ,look at the mirror sometime .

Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:03 pm » by **Electrobadgr**

Unfortunately Proto is correct in his observations Low, your responses prove this as well as the fact that you wrote off this material without reading it. If you did read it you obviously omitted all the parallels with many wise teachings and focused on the messenger rather than the message. An understandable response which mirrored my own before
reading it.

Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:19 pm » by **Mindless**

Focused on the messenger rather than the message lol - So what your saying is.. what was posted by Hidden hand & Illuminator13 and the others before them is fact then ?

Prove it :flop:

Some of that thread is absolute garbage, fabricated crap thats up there with the biggest blockbuster movies .. you dont need to be eductated to see that a mile away im sorry but thats just so funny.

Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:34 pm » by **Electrobadgr**

It is not a case of whether or not it is fact, its about whether or not you find merit in what is said. Obviously not in your case, personally i found much of worth in his words, fact is irrelevant, the message of love for your fellow beings is an old one but one that we all must realise sooner or later. Irrespective of currently held beliefs.

Peace

Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:38 pm » by **Cryptillian**

cornbread714 wrote:Becks, sorry if I dismissed this material without discussing it.

The HH interview touches on a lot of subjects that are worth exploring.

It's true that the core Masonic secrets revolve around Luciferian principles.

A lot of what HH refers to is "real" in the sense that it is grounded in common esoteric knowledge that can be found in modern Kabbalism, various mystery schools, the works of Karl Jung and many other places.

I recommend researching these avenues from less shadowy and suspect sources.

You might read some books on Kabbala by Israel Regardie, check out Jung's Answer to Job, Alan Watts's works, or some of Robert Anton Wilson's non-fiction, for a start. HH has done a lot of reading but his statements are contradictory and skewed and end up in complete almost incoherent bullshit territory.

Those who lurk in the internet talking about bloodlines and soul harvests are to be viewed with the utmost skepticism. There are many who would plunder the wisdom of the ages for their own ends. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

judging by your picture corn...i am quite surprised that you can read

(you can slap me anytime....i am feisty today)

Carl Jung was bang-on when it came to putting all (most) of the scattered pieces together and assembling them into a rich and logical tapestry.

in the last 150 years a huge proportion of the worlds best thinkers have been German. there seemed to be a great culture of individualism that was nurtured and allowed to blossom. i think that it was these men (these individualists) who initiated the theory of personal enlightenment.....breaking away from the previously held misconception that the only path to accession was through the church and through the collective "faith" of others.
(which works for some...but not for others). the birth of the individualist philosophies rings clearly in my life. the one tenet of modern Satanism (which is a misnomer because most modern satanists don't actually believe in a real god or entity named Satan) that i like is the idea that we are our own god..and therefore we are alone responsible for our own enlightenment and also responsible to find our own path to the higher power. i don't want to offend those that are Christians among us....and i am not a satanist.....i just like the way our culture is progressing towards collective individualism. it has been my observation that we all hold different things to be spiritually important, and the folly of modern organised religion has been in the attempt to homogenize this difference. these German thinkers have articulated the struggle for personal awareness and individual though in a way that is positive and readily achievable....instead of vague and unattainable.

i want to write more because i feel that this will be misinterpreted as me advocating the dogma of satanism....i am not.

i have to go to work, but when i return i hope to write more.....i would like to tie together the idea(l)s of Jung, Freud, Nietzsche, Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer. these men were on to something....and i find the ideas of Illuminator 13 to closely resemble these ideals..... vegetarianism, looking within, the idea that our sub-conscious already knows the accurate knowledge, the Karmic cycle, the levels of existence (internally and externally).....and so on.

peace :flop:

Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:01 am » by **Lowsix**

electrobadgr wrote:Unfortunately Proto is correct in his observations Low, your responses prove this as well as the fact that you wrote off this material without reading it. If you did read it you obviously omitted all the parallels with many wise teachings and focused on the messenger rather than the message. An understandable response which mirrored my own before
reading it.

Well, i guess since you keep bringing me up (here and in other places) , i should address this.

Once i read that crock of shit you wrote about me on the other site, i knew all of a sudden, out of the blue, with ZERO reason at all... you'd be yet another one who was going to start scouring my words to dig out and expose the inconsistencies for the world to see like the LONG LONG line of Don Quixote wannabe's before you, who have made it their mission to somehow take me off my horse and expose me to the world.. You people are really something else.

So lets start with what you've said..instead of to my face where i could rebut you,
off in your little corner of Low-bashing obsessed, fucking reach-around retards.

IN actuality, when you and i had that discussion about the Zeitgeist material and its originators, i was entirely convinced that Benjamin Creme was involved..you provided some insight on that , and for that i was about as grateful as i can possibly be, for the new information. Not only did i thank you for setting me straight, i attempted as best i could to show and state how much i appreciated your attention to detail, and willingness to actually PROVIDE me with a valid counter, and then as best I could, attempted to let you know how much i respected that. I dont mind learning new stuff..and i appreciate people who can give me enough detail to convince me of their point, instead of this CONTINUOUS bash bullshit that realy only explores my personality instead of attempting to change my mind with research as you did.

Im not sure what more I could have done to either show my respect, admit i was wrong, and show appreciation. Matter of fact, all this time i wasnt offended in the LEAST. To the contrary, thought i had found smeone willing to show mutual respect.

I have not "been avoiding you" as you stated since that time, nor have I ignored repeated requests as you state for my input on anything. Id sure like to know where and for what. fact is I dont read every single persons posts here, and perhaps i missed it..But again, i did my best to show you that I thought the exchange was awesome, and appreciated. Interesting to see though how youve turned that into something completely untrue, so you an join the bandwagon without cause. You are no different than the other sheep over there i now see..and that my respect was 100% misplaced.

Now on to THIS material..

That paragraph Proto quoted was ACTUALLY about the person who is claiming and has a large group of people convinced that he is an avenging angel. Yes, The Smurf stuff.
But you were so busy finding your angle on which to somehow take me down a notch or two, that you missed the paralell...(its ok, its typical of those suffering Quixote syndrome..pick and choose which words of mine to examine, and ignore the entirety of what ive written, in your glee thinking ive exposed myself somehow)

The smurf material, and leader personality just happens by chance to really mimic (almost exactly) what the HH person is doing. And still, im allowed an opinion and show the similarities. Those traits belong to a sociopathic profile actually.. read up on it sometime..Cult Figures and how they turn hearts and minds..

People who take a medium or well known mythology, and then inject themselves into it (anonymously, i might add), to convince OTHER people they are more than they really are, more important than they really are, or know more about the nature of reality than they really do are narcissistic , deluded fools.. If you want to buy the crap they are selling without any proven sourcing, references, or identities revealed or corroborated, you go right ahead. Thats not how i operate or how i decide what to believe or who to follow..but hey thats just me. Great, I may love the message, i dont have to automatically love the messenger. Yes i read it. It's a gathered up, collected, loosely knit pile of crap based on stuff that is basically common sense, and has been written about by other people for hundreds of years. Doesnt take a genius to string it all together, but it DOES take a genus to be able to convince people that they are more than they are or actually responsible for the material, all while remaining completely and totally anonymous. So tell me again, why, if it is part of the Rules that he must occasionally break it all down for us poor peons, why he would have to act anonymously? If its part of the rules and he's not breaking any, and hes SUPPOSED to do this, why would he need to hide behind a wall of interweb anonymity? Why would he pick and choose what hes supposedly 'allowed' to say? Why would anyone who was revealing the truth to the world need to hide their identity in the first place? I mean crap i could go on, but thats just the starters problems....

But im sure that will all pass for me attacking someone..well, i guess in this case, regardless how intelligent that person may be..i am.
Hes full of shit. (even if his message is intuitive or has historical counterparts)

Im one of those jerks that do take the character of the messenger into account when examining the message. People that don't, end up poisoned in Applewhites basement in matching Nikes waiting for the Comet, or getting burned up along with people like David Koresh. I mean i can see how you rag on me for calling people like this Lunatic, because they've done so much GOOD for the world and all, and they weren't deluded at all, right? Get some stimulus money and buy a fucking clue.

"BUT HIS MESSAGE WAS SO"
.....so....blah blah blah..you get the picture.

Again, i guess i have to qualify this..thats my opinion. Just because i state it strongly based on my awareness of the world and how deluded people act when they need to convince people that they are special or "in the loop" or angelic beings, or from the Galactic Federation of Light or have access to special information us poor fools dont (even when its all readily available in other mythologies or even common sense)Me KNOWING that doesn't mean you have to believe me, or that i want you to believe me, i just don't care either way.

I stand 100% by my assessment after reading about half of the material.
I saw all i needed to see to understand. Its ok if you don't agree.
But that doesn't make ME the asshole here.
My common sense assessment still applies regardless if it offends you.
My opinion is mine…and im entitled to have it and keep it…or share it.

Don't like it, then don't fuckin read my posts…and if you disagree, for GODS sake people stop obsessing about me. Its making you look as crazy as these goofuses that we are discussing.

If you think im an asshole, fine.
Leave it at that, and move on with your lives.
Im not that important..

Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:33 am » by **Electrobadgr**

Lowsix, i will admit i have been trying to provoke a reaction from you for a while. Not for any other reason that i have observed certain traits in your posts which proto which rightly pointed out, yet myself aling with others don't know what you actually believe and why you are here? Are you here to share your knowledge with those who chose to listen or resort to character assasinations and name calling when an opinion conflicts with your beliefs. You seem to relish in ridiculing the contemplation of lifes mysteries, people come here to ask questions about the unexplained yet you seem to have a supposed rational answer for everything.

Becks wanted to provoke a discussion in this thread, and as a key member of the community here i think he would have appreciated some in depth input from you. Again, this is what i was trying to provoke from you. You are very selective about when you share your wisdom (and i mean that), i am merely curious as to your beliefs and motives for contributing to a conspiracies site when you don't seem to believe any of them?