Hijab

Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:48 pm » by **Spock**

Imagine how this video would have turned out if she had been shrouded in every pic...

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Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:49 pm » by **Spock**

Here's what I'm talking bout...

Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:55 am » by **revol**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIcPOJX7gws

Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:36 am » by **99socks**

revol wrote:Always the same problem

Twisting and turning and distance from the truth

-Mixing in the sense that we see today

Hands and arms of peace and kisses between the sexes
Dating and in and out at night

- This is the truth can not deny.
Boys and girls living together
Without a legitimate marriage and the children of illegal
This is the basis of Western society

-Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

-Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things

Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the Eight criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc

-The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijaab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijaab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam.

1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust

The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:

1. Babylonian Civilization:

The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.

2. Greek Civilization:

Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.

3. Roman Civilization:

When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.

4. Egyptian Civilization:

The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.

5. Pre-Islamic Arabia:

Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.

2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status

Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.

-- The punishment for rape in Islam: For the rapist punishment for adultery, which is stoning if he was married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.
The fact that the rapist was punishment for adultery, that's what you do not rape threat - weapons, it was at gunpoint, it would be a warrior, and applies the limit mentioned in the verse: ((33) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment) Round / 33.
He chooses the ruling of the sanctions of the four mentioned in the verse as it deems appropriate, and the interest of achieving a common security and safety in the community, the assailants reportedly corrupt.

-Woman does not have any punishment
Condition
Forensic doctor
Punishment for men only

-Rape is taking something by force and injustice, and is now used exclusively to refer to symptoms of abuse of women by force.
Ugly, a crime forbidden in all religions and is at all wise people and owners of the normal mushrooms, and all regulations and laws of this land the laborers, and signed by the most severe penalties, with the exception of some countries that raise the punishment for a rapist if he marries his victim! It demonstrates the reversal of instinct and dementia, as well as the lack of religion or lack thereof when those who Dedua God says in the legislation, we do not know any affection and mercy will be between the executioner and his victim, especially since the pain of rape does not remove days and also just time - as they say - and so I tried many of the suicide and was raped a number of what many of them to Jordan, has proven the failure of these marriages, but not accompanied by humiliation and degradation of women

-Marriage in early age
12
In the past
May be and sure
That is the nature

But now

It is not Islam
Has to be mental and intellectual maturity

Marriage in early age is happening in the communities in violation of Islamic law, properly

-Baha'i, the Shiites and Ismailis
Have nothing to do with Islam
No matter how you try to prove a negative
And destruction of society such as the West completely
Not care
Haram or halal

Non-application of Islamic law correctly
Taliban and Afghanistan, Sects Shiite and Ismaili, Baha'i, and so on
And some wrong doings in the Arab and Islamic countries ,Egypt applied French law

this not Islam

In the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
Solutions to all problems of society

In this matter
From the perspective of any true Muslim
Believes will be a final

The desire to implement Islamic law in all matters of life
The lack of separation between the Islamic religion and the state

All the rules in Islam

Imposed or prohibited
The foundation
Protection
Human

To illustrate the great truth of Islam

Study of Islam is different already heard from the media
Feel that there is someone fool you
And wants to walk away from the truth

allah says in the Holy Qur'an

157. Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e.Muhammad ) whom they find written with them in the Taurat (Torah) (Deut, xviii, 15) and the Injeel (Gospel) (John xiv, 16) , - he commands them for Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At-Taiyibat [(i.e. all good and lawful) as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.], and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khaba'ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allah's Covenant), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad ), honour him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur'an) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful

What a shame I forgot about this thread!

OK, so revol, please tell me... what is the topic of this thread? The topic is about how "hijab" protects women. You have not proved it yet. What you have done instead, is judged and condemned an entire value system that is the opposite of the Islamic value system. Which is fine in some degree... I do not believe in "relativism" as a truth. However, if you are going to condemn all of Western culture because you believe all of Western culture behaves a certain way, then your arguments are even flimsier than you know. Not all Western women are "loose" not all Western women "cheat" or are "sleezy." YOU may not like the way we dress or the fact that we can hold hands with whomever we wish, but that is COMPARED TO YOUR CULTURE. Compared to our culture, wearing t-shirts and jeans is not scandalous and neither is kissing someone on the street.

I also find it almost humorous that you try to lay a claim that women veiling is supposed to prevent all of these "vices" and point to the "fact" that in our culture in the past, women did indeed cover far more of their bodies than they do today (however, just because they covered more skin doesn't mean they were actually more modest). You once again have tried to condemn our culture while undermining your own assertions; if covering women was supposed to protect them and protect a society from vice, then it obviously didn't work in America! It didn't work in Roman times. It didn't work in Africa, at any time in history. Didn't work in the rest of North America, South America, and Europe.... and I would say, with the examples I gave you on a previous page, it doesn't work in most of the Middle East or Central Asia (today).

Now, it is quite common for Muslims when giving da'wah to give the justification that "it doesn't work today in the Middle East because Muslims aren't actually behaving how they are supposed to." But do you see what's wrong with that argument? What's wrong about it, is that while I can sit here and tell you the treatment of women is dependent upon the attitudes and behaviors of men and women in a society, you will tell me I am wrong and that hijab protects women and that things will get better for women and everyone will be happy if women all started wearing hijab. BUT THEN when it is pointed out to you that your entire Islamic system of religion and politics is a FAILURE, you will say that "it isn't working today because Muslims aren't behaving how they are supposed to!" So which is it?

The answer is, just as in the video you just posted above, that goodness comes out of peoples' hearts and their consciences, and not just from outward appearances. If the light, or warmth, or love is lacking in the heart, then no amount of good can come from anything, whether a woman wears a hijab or not. Evil is that which is lacking in beautiful, tangible qualities. Any system (whether it is a religious system, a political system, or a cultural system) that ignores what is truly inside a person and which suppresses it and does not let it mature, but instead hides everything in a facade of control and utopia, is doomed for failure.

That does not mean that outward appearances are worthless, but you are aware of what a minor act of polytheism is (shirk al-asghar) in this situation; it's doing something to appear as something in order to gain approval from others. An honest act is that which is done for the right reasons. If a country decides for instance to make everyone wear hijab (like Saudi Arabia), then it hasn't accomplished anything except hiding and covering up its own imperfections and thus making them worse. The intention is to create a perfect Islamic society; the result is that the majority is committing shirk al-asghar. The critical point is missing; things grow from the inside, not from the outside.

How much more beautiful a culture where everyone gives and shares from their own love, rather than as a mandatory tax that is calculated on jewelry and bank accounts. Indeed, we judge a tree by its fruits because a sick tree cannot produce good fruit. Likewise, Muslims we warned about the Dajjal.... but what is the definition of dajjal? It means "deception"- and the example Muhammad made of what a dajjal was, was of a person who covers up and hides the mange in his camels in order to get a higher price for them. You can put a woman with no faith and no belief in her heart under a niqab; all you have done is create a dajjal for yourself, thinking that she is more beautiful or more worthy or more holy than a woman who doesn't cover herself!

The Islamic teaching is that men should look more for good, believing women rather than women based on their beauty because beauty is only skin deep; well, the hijab is only skin deep as well. In Islamic societies it has become the standard norm (of respect for women) that a woman is chosen for more valuable qualities than her looks, but it is also the standard norm that men are still chosen for money and for power. THIS is where the disrespect FOR women comes from. YOU MAY THINK that you are being good to your women by setting that standard for what you look for IN THEM but you also do a huge disservice to them by encouraging them to choose men with power and money (corruptible items). So, women are judged by how "good" they are while men escape scrutiny and can get away (literally) with murder (especially if they have money and power). Ask yourself, honestly... is making WOMEN carry more of MEN'S burden of righteousness really the solution to this problem? Most definitely not! If you want to fix a problem with men treating women poorly, then you ought to be teaching your men how to be real men and stop setting higher and higher standards for women in order to make up for men's failures!

Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:55 am » by **Tonyw**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5RCLWzbVW8

Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:30 am » by **Flecktarn**

good old revol or whoever he is ,,,
he is a provoke poster ,its done for this type of response ,were being fooled in to thinking hes a allah fearing muslim ,dont get fooled by this ,,its a con ,just treat it with the comedy value it provides ,then he will change his name again

Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:56 am » by **Perry LaGuardia**

Flecktarn wrote:good old revol or whoever he is ,,,
he is a provoke poster ,its done for this type of response ,were being fooled in to thinking hes a allah fearing muslim ,dont get fooled by this ,,its a con ,just treat it with the comedy value it provides ,then he will change his name again

Greed fleck, afterall Revol is lover backwards which in my opinion makes revol a narcissist...at the very least :mrgreen:

Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:33 pm » by **revol**

Veil something basically
Not only in Islam
But
In Judaism and Christianity also
By interpolating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nf9yJGy9Dc

http://www.biblestudytools.com/song-of- ... 2%80%C2%AA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covering_of_the_eyes

וּלְשָׂרָה אָמַר, הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי אֶלֶף כֶּסֶף לְאָחִיךְ--הִנֵּה הוּא-לָךְ כְּסוּת עֵינַיִם, לְכֹל אֲשֶׁר אִתָּךְ; וְאֵת כֹּל, וְנֹכָחַת

"And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved" Genesis 20:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0f26n5Hyno

http://www.12allchat.com/chatters/do.php?img=143939

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 6199_n.jpg

The limits of God
Application and implementation
Not for discussion

Through your words
I can see clearly
You say to the Muslims

Do not apply the limits of Allah in the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith

Any person who is on the whims do not care about the words of God

But

I'll tell you
Muslims can not be just like Christians or Jews
And invent a religion interpolated
Appropriate to the whims of personal

In the end

Everyone will die and meet God face to face

What will you say?
And you know the truth!!!!!

(46) And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.
(47) And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

(49) And judge, [O Muammad], between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations and beware of them, lest they tempt you away from some of what Allah has revealed to you. And if they turn away – then know that Allah only intends to afflict them with some of their [own] sins. And indeed, many among the people are defiantly disobedient.
(50) Then is it the judgement of [the time of] ignorance they desire? But who is better than Allah in judgement for a people who are certain [in faith].

Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:19 pm » by **99socks**

Flecktarn wrote:good old revol or whoever he is ,,,
he is a provoke poster ,its done for this type of response ,were being fooled in to thinking hes a allah fearing muslim ,dont get fooled by this ,,its a con ,just treat it with the comedy value it provides ,then he will change his name again

Sure, but I don't get much of a challenge or any practice is debate anywhere else (shame, really), so I may as well use him to keep from getting rusty! :cheers:

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:48 am » by **revol**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZHZ79aVs0c