How Dangerous are the Muslims?

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PostFri Sep 10, 2010 5:59 pm » by whitedeath


@low
All I meant was that you have reached your conclusion, no doubt you believe you see the bigger picture {which most would readily agree with}

But when you have people talking about such a subject which is littered with landmines, your response seemed less about helping folk (which you are not obligated to do)
And more about making people feel stupid for being caught up in it, if you truly know better and choose not to lead others down the right path that's your choice.
Just if you respond how you did , at least how I read the message, was to instigate arguments & put people down.
If I picked up on things that weren't there then you do get a full and honest apology but that's how I read the post


People WILL one day rise above singular issues regardless of the amount of help/hindrance they meet

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PostFri Sep 10, 2010 9:04 pm » by Anuki


kingdraco wrote:How dangerous are the muslims?
or should it be...

How dangerous is religion?




:flop:

Amen......

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PostSat Sep 11, 2010 9:11 pm » by Lilbuddhaman


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santaownsyou wrote:Could you imagine the peace in the world if there were no religions? The majority of the warfare in the world would cease to exist. And people say I have an extreme dogma? :nope:



I can imagine there would be no peace if everyone walked around enforcing their "own ideas".



All the more reason to get rid of religion!

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PostSat Sep 11, 2010 9:17 pm » by Cotterpin


How dangerous is Jim Jones, Jr. aka Terry Jones?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/se ... ct-germany

When he arrived in Germany on what he called his "God-sent" mission in 1982, charismatic bible fundamentalist Terry Jones came with a message of hope, promising to show his followers the "riches of the kingdom of God".

Germany, he said, was "central" to his plans to lead the "Christian awakening of Europe".

At prayer rallies that were used as recruitment drives, congregations dropped to their knees in worship or danced ecstatically in the aisles, so taken were they by him.

But when Jones left Cologne 26 years later it was as a disgraced preacher who was accused of running a sect-like community with an iron fist, forcing members to give him a percentage of their earnings, making them work for little or no money and causing the breakup of families and friendships. He also faked a title as "Doctor of Theology", for which he was fined.

As tension mounted ahead of Jones's plan to burn Qur'ans at his Florida church, it emerged that he had been dismissed by the board of the Christian Community of Cologne in 2008 after years of strife.

Andrew Schäfer, an official sect monitor for the protestant church in Germany's Rhine region who has closely observed the activities of the community, said Jones had "enormous manipulative potential" and believes that his failure in Germany led to his increased desire to achieve fame and notoriety in Florida.

"He has clearly not been able to cope with the immense loss of his power and significance," said Schäfer.

Bankrolled by the late US businessman Donald Northrup, the founder of the Dove World Outreach Centre in Gainsville, Florida, that Jones now leads, the pastor's brief was to establish a branch of the community of Gainsville in the west German city.

New recruits were drawn to the flamboyant, brash American with his trademark moustache and gangly frame. Jones, who had brought his wife, Sylvia, and their three children with him, liked to describe himself as a pioneer whose goal it was to "re-establish the kingdom of God on Earth". He promised that he would heal people and bring new vigour and meaning to their lives.

"He was very charismatic," said a former member of the CGK who left in the mid-2000s and identified himself only as Thomas. "How else did he manage to recruit 1,000 members? And how else do you explain that since he's left the church's numbers have dwindled to around 60?"

Jones had hoped to replicate the community across Europe. "His goal had been to awaken the whole of Europe," said Schäfer. "But in truth he never got beyond Cologne."

The sense of hope with which the community had initially garnered its members began to crumble, replaced instead by a climate of fear and control. "Spiritual abuse as well as economic and psychological dependence were run of the mill," Schäfer added.

"He was certainly not the type of pastor who approaches everyone and looks after them," said another former member who asked not to be named.

Among the numerous documented reports of the ways in which he used to allegedly manipulate members were demands for money, as well as complete commitment to the community. Members were reportedly forced to work in the community's so-called Lisa Jones shops, named after his first wife, which sold and distributed secondhand clothes and furniture.

The members reportedly worked long hours, lived on next to no wages and had no health insurance despite this being required of all German employers.

Members were forced to review relationships with family and friends and in some cases to break up with partners. Parents were reportedly encouraged to beat their children because, said Jones, it was "God's will".

Those in the group say that Jones became increasingly radical over the years. He offered to help homosexual people "pray away" their "sins". Later he directed his attention more towards condemning Islam. He warned the congregation they could be attacked by Muslims at any time. "Some people lived in real fear that we really would be attacked by Muslims during the religious services," said former member Thomas.

"He didn't put the biblical values and Christianity at the forefront, rather his own person," said Stephan Baar, the deputy leader of the community.

"Looking back," said Thomas Muller, another community member, "you have to say that this man had an exaggerated need to be admired, which is probably why he came up with this idea [to burn the Qur'ans]."

Baar was quick to disown Jones. "We distance ourselves from this plan of his and don't want to be seen to have anything to do with it," he said.

Asked if he thought Jones would carry out the Qur'an burning, he replied: "Terry Jones is someone who carries things through to the very end, because he sees it as God's will."
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PostSat Sep 11, 2010 9:42 pm » by Lilbuddhaman


From Low6
The liberal mindset argues from emotions...


And the GOP/Republicans/Tea Baggers/Birthers don't?

:lol:

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PostSat Sep 11, 2010 9:45 pm » by Lilbuddhaman


sockpuppet wrote:
aragajag wrote:
People do need something and I think it is the truth without embelishment. If religions were taken out it would leave a hole lot of empty heads. The trick I think is to take responsibility for our own thoughts of what the universe is about. There is no one alive who has had an Opera style chat with god.



Yeah, that sounds better. :D


Agreed....

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PostSat Sep 11, 2010 9:49 pm » by Captainkarizma


wake up people its the american government taking the heat off themselves ,they invaded afghanistan and Iraq knowing full well they are muslim countries,now they will let this hatred continue ,because war and oil and drugs are the only way america can keep their economy going. the american people have been played again by their own government. the american government wants this war with islam to continue so they can strip away the rights of its own citizens in the name of security.keep them afraid is the best way to control this is nothing new.all through history this is model for control.history repeats itself does it not?
face it the corporate government running america is interested in one thing and that is profit from any means necessary even at its own expense.so keep putting all your hard earned cash in the stock market. so you can fund another war.
:robot: this is the captain speaking :badair:

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PostSat Sep 11, 2010 9:53 pm » by Lilbuddhaman


Low6 - Just because some short sighted liberal interest convinced you to look the other way at global evils so you could feel better about at least not being one of "Those Kinds" of americans

-I didnt say one ridiculous or unreasonable thing in there and you know it..
so instead, we get some slobber..


I wasnt insulting you.
I wasnt patronizing you.
I was considering that a productive debate..

The only BELIEFS in there that i even dealt with,
was all the nonsense you projected onto ME.

Im leading who off what fuckin cliff?
Youre the one getting drug around the arena
by your estrogen...swinging at an enemy that isnt even there.

--- Low do you actually read what you type? What's your beef with Liberals anyhew? Are Republicans farsighted compared to the short sighted Liberals? History sure doesn't agree with you much. You may not directly insult someone but you have a way of insulting them nonetheless. I think your method is more offensive because you claim you're not insulting someone when you actually are...indirectly. It's very Republican of you.

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PostSat Sep 11, 2010 10:00 pm » by Mozi!!a


captainkarizma wrote:wake up people its the american government taking the heat off themselves ,they invaded afghanistan and Iraq knowing full well they are muslim countries,now they will let this hatred continue ,because war and oil and drugs are the only way america can keep their economy going. the american people have been played again by their own government. the american government wants this war with islam to continue so they can strip away the rights of its own citizens in the name of security.keep them afraid is the best way to control this is nothing new.all through history this is model for control.history repeats itself does it not?
face it the corporate government running america is interested in one thing and that is profit from any means necessary even at its own expense.so keep putting all your hard earned cash in the stock market. so you can fund another war.



bravo captain. :clapper:

for easy minded people it is hatred. cos thats the only way the see it.
its all bullshii :badair: a big sick f :censored: game

ppl don't get it yet :bang; :bang; :bang; :bang;
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PostSun Sep 12, 2010 4:52 pm » by Theeye


Quote :-

Religion is the opiate of the masses.

Fred !

(sorry Frued)


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