How do we create peace in the Middle East?

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PostFri May 04, 2012 3:51 am » by Newearthman


The answer is simple:

1. We as a planet withdraw all foreign military presence in all the middle east.

2. We as a planet reach out to the middle east with gifts of unlimited fresh water and help rebuilding their infrastructure, free of charge.

3. We as a planet donate as much food, seed and education to get them back on their feet.



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PostFri May 04, 2012 4:09 am » by Cornbread714


Newearthman wrote:The answer is simple:

1. We as a planet withdraw all foreign military presence in all the middle east.



I don't know if Israel will think this is such a good idea.

Do you know what would happen to them if we suddenly withdrew all our troops from the region and our military and financial support of their precarious existence?

Not taking sides, just trying to be realistic.
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PostFri May 04, 2012 4:13 am » by Newearthman


You are talking about the path we are being steered in now; I'm talking about creating our own future!
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PostFri May 04, 2012 4:32 am » by Will69ease


Why Peace in the Middle East Is a Fantasy...

America’s Middle East policy is childish and futile. It is impossible to win a war while embracing the enemy.

During a meeting with a select group of journalists, President Obama stated that Iran and the United States have a “mutual interest” in fighting the Taliban. According to David Ignatius, who was present at the gathering, Obama said that Iran “could be a constructive partner” in the creation of a stable, U.S.-friendly government in Afghanistan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... inionsbox1

It took less than 24 hours before this fallacy was exposed.

In its yearly report on global terrorism, the U.S. State Department declared that Iran “remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism.” The report also identified Iran as a primary sponsor of the Taliban, as well as other Islamic terrorist groups responsible for turning Afghanistan and much of Pakistan into war zones. According to the report,

Iran’s Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons. [And] since at least 2006, Iran has arranged arms shipments to select Taliban members, including small arms and associated ammunition, rocket-propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 105mm rockets, and plastic explosives.

So much for Iran having a “mutual interest” in defeating the Taliban.

Meanwhile, the mass dumping on the Internet of 90,000 classified U.S. military documents last month provided further evidence of extensive collusion between Iran, the Taliban and al Qaeda. As Canada’s National Post noted, the massive Wikileaks dump furnished bountiful evidence suggesting Iran “could now be almost as crucial to the Afghan insurgency as Pakistan” (emphasis mine throughout).

A leaked report from February 2005, for example, showed how “Iranian intelligence agencies brought 10 million afghanis (approximately us$212,800)” into Afghanistan to fund terrorists. Another report from the same month described how a group of Taliban leaders living in Iran were orchestrating attacks on U.S. and nato forces in Afghanistan. A leaked 2007 report revealed that al Qaeda, with “help from Iran,” had hidden more than 70 missiles in Iran. Reports from 2009, documented U.S. soldiers witnessing Taliban fighters using grenade launchers marked with the phrase “Made in Iran.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/afghani ... FFD93575CF

Ultimately, the onslaught of classified reports merely confirms what many, including now-retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal, have said for months. “The training [of Taliban fighters] that we have seen occurs inside Iran with fighters moving inside Iran,” McChrystal told reporters in May. “The weapons that we have received come from Iran into Afghanistan.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/ ... U920100530

Of course, this massive pile of evidence trashes the widely held belief that Iran, a Shiite Muslim state, refuses to support the Taliban or al Qaeda because both are Sunni Muslim organizations. The truth is out, and it shows that although fundamental religious differences do exist, Iran and the Taliban willingly unite in pursuit of a common goal. As one captured Taliban leader put it in July 2009: “Our religions and our histories are different, but our target is the same. We both want to kill Americans.”
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/

Even still, the White House holds fast to what will ultimately be for America a suicidal policy of embracing Iran as a “constructive partner” in regional discussions on how to create peace in Afghanistan!

It gets worse: Iran’s relationship with the Taliban gives it significant and increasing reach into nuclear-armed Pakistan!

For years the government in Islamabad has been plagued by political unrest and conflicting loyalties. Amid this chaos, the Taliban has cut itself footholds within Pakistan’s government, including within the military. In particular, Taliban sympathizers have infiltrated the Inter-Services Intelligence (isi), Pakistan’s intelligence agency, giving the terrorist organization access to critical intelligence and in effect transforming the government department into an arm of the Taliban—and increasingly, Iran.

One reality made abundantly evident by the Wikileaks dump, noted Dan Murphy in the Christian Science Monitor, is that the “Taliban are stronger than ever and a crucial component of their success is the support they receive from Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence.” For example, when it realized that President Obama intended to step up America’s campaign against the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Pakistan’s military, reported memri, “recalibrated its strategic position and brought the Taliban further into its fold, to serve as its proxy in a confrontation with the U.S. forces.” In March 2009, the New York Times reported that the isi was actually giving military supplies, funding and other help to Taliban fighters who were attacking U.S. and nato forces in Afghanistan.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Sou ... o-surprise

If we step back and consider all the parts, the picture looks something like this.

The Taliban is a radical Islamic organization that—in addition to cruelly enforcing some of the strictest interpretations of Sharia law—is motivated by a fanatical desire to slaughter Americans, Jews and ultimately all non-Muslims. It was flung from governing Afghanistan in 2001, but has since revived and is currently regaining military and political control over Afghanistan. In addition, the Taliban brandishes significant and growing influence inside Pakistan, a nation in a state of near-collapse that possesses 60 to 100 nuclear weapons.

Over the past year an abundance of evidence has surfaced exposing Iran as the primary guarantor of the Taliban’s existence and operations, particularly in Afghanistan. It is now known, beyond doubt, that in addition to sponsoring and directing Islamic terror in the Middle East—think Hezbollah, Hamas and the terrorists in Iraq—the Islamic theocracy in Tehran sponsors and sustains the most deadly terrorist organizations in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Yet, almost unbelievably, America’s president rejects the evidence exposing Iran as the nexus of Islamic terror—and the West’s ultimate enemy in the war against radical Islamic terrorism—and embraces the Islamic theocracy as a “constructive partner” in forging a path to peace in Afghanistan, as well as in Iraq, Israel and the larger Middle East region. It is a sad and condemning sign of the upside-down nature of America’s foreign policy that most of America’s leaders—including many Republicans—consider Iran to be part of the solution to the Middle East’s problems when in fact it is the central cause of radical Islamic terrorism!
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PostFri May 04, 2012 4:52 am » by Newearthman


Will69ease wrote:Why Peace in the Middle East Is a Fantasy...

It is impossible to win a war while embracing the enemy.


The point is that the people of the middle east are not anyone's enemy. We have been served lie after lie for so long that now we believe the lie to be reality. Our own thoughts are creating the terrorism thanks to the images served to us daily by our worlds media.
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PostFri May 04, 2012 5:20 am » by Daemonfoe


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PostFri May 04, 2012 5:21 am » by Constabul


1. Convert to islam
2. kill all the jews ( however you determine what a jew is)

one step less, and the only solution that would work, even tho it, in its self, will never happen.

Bam... just like that
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PostFri May 04, 2012 5:29 am » by Will69ease


Newearthman wrote:
Will69ease wrote:Why Peace in the Middle East Is a Fantasy...

It is impossible to win a war while embracing the enemy.


The point is that the people of the middle east are not anyone's enemy. We have been served lie after lie for so long that now we believe the lie to be reality. Our own thoughts are creating the terrorism thanks to the images served to us daily by our worlds media.

Even if we removed all foreign military from this equation, there would still be constant clashes between religious and political factions just as there has been for hundreds if not thousands of years...
http://www.contenderministries.org/midd ... meline.php
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http://library.thinkquest.org/3526/facts/timeline.html

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PostFri May 04, 2012 5:42 am » by Constabul


Real answer.
Quit teaching Abrahamic based religions. It will not ensure peace off the bat. But it will be a good start.

You can not even address racial/ tribal feuds, Men and women equality, while an ideology is at the heart of unresolved matters.
We might be two peeps from different sides of the tracks, with a long history of family interaction or transgressions.
But if we are caught up arguing over who the real badass is, wolverine or sabertooth. We will never have a chance to address real world issues.

Unfortunately, ON BOTH sides, the value of their children or children's children is not as important as their ideology (Religion, or "Promised land"). So as long as they do not value their children and use them as the next blunt instrument to fight the next battle, or be fodder. It will never change.
A sad evaluation tool to mark human progression.

Not only taking a swipe at the mussies and the isras, but the other western nations that fuel this whole affair.
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PostFri May 04, 2012 5:51 am » by Newearthman


Will69ease wrote:
Newearthman wrote:
Will69ease wrote:Why Peace in the Middle East Is a Fantasy...

It is impossible to win a war while embracing the enemy.


The point is that the people of the middle east are not anyone's enemy. We have been served lie after lie for so long that now we believe the lie to be reality. Our own thoughts are creating the terrorism thanks to the images served to us daily by our worlds media.

Even if we removed all foreign military from this equation, there would still be constant clashes between religious and political factions just as there has been for hundreds if not thousands of years...
http://www.contenderministries.org/midd ... meline.php
or
http://library.thinkquest.org/3526/facts/timeline.html

But you have to ask yourself the question: Why have we been fighting for this land for so long?

The answer is: We have been deliberately divided and manipulated for all this time so that we can serve the will of a few who hold on to knowledge and power.

I am saying the only way to solve this problem is through world unity towards helping the less fortunate. To start making amends. All the details are secondary to the dream!
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