how many virgin and strange births are there in history?

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PostTue Dec 04, 2012 1:43 am » by Slith


I was hoping someone was going to post that vid. Looked for it for an hour, and have actually posted it a couple of times
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PostTue Dec 04, 2012 1:47 am » by *WillEase*


Toxic32 wrote:
Cageyone23 wrote:
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The clue to your answer is why there are 365 days in a year and only 360 degrees in a circle

your "sun" dies for 3 days (dec 21-23) and then is "reborn"

Virgin is also meant as the constellation "virgo", Albert Pike had the Virgo constellation painted on the ceilings of Masonic lodges



:flop: Kinni have to agree

@Toxic, I presume you have watched Zietgiests' take on religion.
Will somewhat confirm and answer your question to a degree :cheers:


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No never watched Zietgiests or ever herd of him. But I will look him up and see what he has to say. Thanks I'm always ready to learn.


Why do you have to look it up? The video is right there. :headscratch:
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PostTue Dec 04, 2012 2:00 am » by Toxic32


WillEase666 wrote:
Toxic32 wrote:

The clue to your answer is why there are 365 days in a year and only 360 degrees in a circle

your "sun" dies for 3 days (dec 21-23) and then is "reborn"

Virgin is also meant as the constellation "virgo", Albert Pike had the Virgo constellation painted on the ceilings of Masonic lodges

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:flop: Kinni have to agree

@Toxic, I presume you have watched Zietgiests' take on religion.
Will somewhat confirm and answer your question to a degree :cheers:


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No never watched Zietgiests or ever herd of him. But I will look him up and see what he has to say. Thanks I'm always ready to learn.[/quote]

Why do you have to look it up? The video is right there. :headscratch:[/quote]


Thanks for pointing that out Will!..Deeeer :bang; .It is getting late for me and with the odd shot of the hard stuff and a long day at the coalface I'm just about fucked. So I over look the the vids in favour of the interaction.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2012 7:22 am » by Cia212


The problem with Zeitgeist's theory (which is repackaged Theosophy) is that there aren't any ancient sources that support their claims. If you think otherwise, go to this website and earn $1000.

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/


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PostTue Dec 04, 2012 7:35 am » by Iwanci


Depends on how you define 'virgin' I guess.

If to be a virgin is simply a case of not having sexual intercourse (penis into vagina), then there should be thousands of virgin births, especially in these days of invitro fertilisation.

If in history 'virgin' was defined as NO sperm to impregnate the egg.. then the answer is a lot simpler

ZERO!

No matter how the birth is contrived, one CANNOT make a baby with the simple sperm and egg ingredients, the greater question is who (alien) in histroy mixed these ingredients and how did they plant it back into the female?

I for one am of the opinion that aliens inseminating woman is not as far fetched as it sounds. I also believe that some past doctors, priests, scientists, and normal courious people could also have experimented with this activity, and who knows may have suceeeded in several instances.


No sperm = no baby.. and this is where religious belief falls over, the suggestion of a baby being created without sperm is non sensical, I am guessing they spoke in these terms so as to make the event look more miraculous and less shameful...
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PostTue Dec 04, 2012 8:55 am » by Chaindrive


Oo, Oo Ill take the strange births for $500 Alex....

Does this count.? :lol:

Heres some "fun" reading for you guys... :ohno:


Woman Gives Birth To Horse



The horse given birth to by a woman in Benin City, Edo State, on Tuesday

A woman purportedly gave birth to a foal (horse like) creature, otherwise known as a baby horse, on Tuesday, at the World Liberation Ministry, on the old Benin-Sapele road during the church’s prophecy programme.

The strange creature, which threw the church members into panic, had died by the time journalists visited the church following the strange occurrence.

The identity of the woman was yet to be known but some church members said she started screaming during the prayer session and began bleeding from her private part just before the foal-like creature emerged.

General Overseer of the church, Evangelist Silva Wealth, said he was still shocked by what came out of the woman’s womb.

He said during prayers he had a revelation that there was a woman with an issue and that something was blocking her womb.

According to him, as prayers intensified, the woman started screaming and began to bleed and eventually gave birth to the creature.

Evangelist Wealth said he could not confirm whether the creature was dead or alive because he did not go near it.

“I can’t describe the object. We have seen people vomit several things during our service but not this type of thing. God has been blessing our ministry with prophecies and miracles,” he added.

The woman was reported to have gone for medical check-up when journalists visited, just as elders and leaders of the church’s host community, Evboriaria, were said to have launched investigation into the bizarre development.[Link]
Update: Woman Who Gave Birth To Horse-Like Creature Was Childless For 11 Years

Fresh facts emerged yesterday that the woman who gave birth to a horse-like creature during a prayer session at the World Liberation Ministry, Evuoriaria Community, off Benin-Sapele Road, Benin City, Edo State on Tuesday, got married 11 years ago without a child.

The facts came to the fore as members of the ministry, who witnessed the delivery of the strange creature, gave details of who the woman was and how she gave birth inside the church’s auditorium on Tuesday.

An eyewitness, Mrs. Veronica Egiebor, a nurse, disclosed that the woman was a vegetable seller for more than 10 years, adding that she sponsored her boyfriend through his university education with the profits she made from the business.

But when it was time for her and the boyfriend to come together in marriage, the boy’s mother allegedly turned the table around.

So, the relationship broke up.

The man reportedly got married to another person and she also got married to another man some years later.

Egiebor said the General Overseer of the ministry, Evangelist Revd Silva Iyamu, walked up to the woman during the prayer session and asked if she was pregnant and her answer was in the affirmative.

The woman said sometimes she would feel that she was pregnant and at times, it would seem as if she was not carrying any pregnancy.

“The evangelist told her she was not carrying an ordinary baby. He said: ‘Do you want to go to a doctor to flush out what you are carrying because what you are carrying is not a baby?’ The pastor paused and asked her again: “Or do you want it to happen here?’ Everybody shouted ‘yes.’”

Egiebor stated that Iyamu asked the woman if she wanted to go to hospital for evacuation and she said no. This, she said, made the general overseer to begin the spiritual exercise.

She added: “Then, the evangelist asked four women to donate their wrappers to form a fence around her. He asked the men to move to the back of the auditorium. He told the congregation that the matter was a women’s affair.”

Egiebor stated that Iyamu poured anointing oil on the woman, sprinkled her with sachet water and directed the congregation to pray fervently.

Before long, she said, the woman felt uncomfortable and went into labour.

Egiebor said: “She held somebody’s leg with the clothes as she pushed harder for the baby to come out. Then, something dropped and she fell. The thing fell, some people called it a goat but it looked like a horse. It has a long neck and the ears were long. It was exactly like a horse, although it was in a baby form.”

The turn of event, according to her, made Iyamu to issue a strong warning to the congregants to steer from the demonic object.

She maintained that many of the congregants took to their heels as soon as Iyamu gave the warning.

Personal Assistant to the General Overseer, Prince John Ogbovoh, who said the branch of the ministry where the incident occurred was established about five months ago, described the incident as spectacular.

He disclosed that the woman got married about 11 years ago and has not had any issue since then.

He explained that the woman had come to the ministry for prayer of deliverance from her barrenness, adding that his boss prayed with her and told her that she carried a funny creature in her womb.

Fielding question on why the woman was at large, he responded: “I am sure the woman is ashamed. God has done a good job in her life and she is ashamed. But I am sure she will come back. The dead creature was left for a while for people to see.

“This morning (Wednesday), the people ordered that they should throw the creature away because it was becoming an embarrassment. Evangelist Iyamu has launched a manhunt for her.”

A member of the ministry, Ivie Imhanluobe, who said he attended the prayer session, also recalled that the woman sat on the front row.

According Imhanluobe: The pastor prayed for her and she fell under the anointing. She delivered a horse.

“We have seen ritual money turned to tortoise in this church.”

Another member of the ministry, Maria Osawaye, said the woman was covered in her own blood and was weak after the delivery.

Evangelist Iyamu insisted that the woman actually gave birth to the mysterious creature in his church, saying whoever was in doubt should verify the news.

Iyamu maintained: “This is not strange to us.

“We have been seeing miracles in this ministry. When we were praying yesterday (Tuesday), a word of knowledge came about somebody who had an issue with pregnancy. The vision was clear that whenever she went for ultra-sound, the doctors would confirm that she was pregnant on some occasions and sometimes said she was not pregnant.

“As the deliverance was going on, I noticed that a woman was bleeding and I asked her to come to the front. Some minutes later, we heard people screaming.

“I am not a medical doctor and I may not know the appropriate word to use.

“When she came out, everybody was weeping. It was something we have not seen for a long time. Later she collapsed. So, we had to order everybody to go outside the auditorium for ventilation before she was revived. Some women who were around cleaned her up.”

Answering question on the speculation that the incident was not true and that it was a ploy to increase members of his ministry, Iyamu responded: “Every story has two sides. To find out about any ministry, go to that ministry. Signs and wonders are normal things in this ministry.

“So, nobody can predict what God can do. Whoever is in doubt should come with a request.”

Meanwhile, a Consultant Gynaecologist, Dr. Jerry Uwaifo, has described as a blatant lie the news of the birth of the horse-like creature.

Uwaifo, who is the Medical Director of Central Hospital, Benin City, maintained that it was not medically possible for a woman to be delivered of an animal.

He explained that there has always been a genetic basis for giving birth.

His words: “A woman can give birth to a deformed child but not animal.

“How come they didn’t bring her to a reputable hospital so that it can be verified? God does not perform a miracle in that way. He will not allow a woman to deliver a horse.”

Uwaifo stated that the medical association could not launch an independent investigation into the bizarre incident unless there was an invitation to do so, adding that it must also be done with the consent of the woman’s husband

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http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/09/17/woman-gives-birth-to-horse/


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PostTue Dec 04, 2012 12:27 pm » by Toxic32


Iwanci wrote:Depends on how you define 'virgin' I guess.

If to be a virgin is simply a case of not having sexual intercourse (penis into vagina), then there should be thousands of virgin births, especially in these days of invitro fertilisation.

If in history 'virgin' was defined as NO sperm to impregnate the egg.. then the answer is a lot simpler

ZERO!

No matter how the birth is contrived, one CANNOT make a baby with the simple sperm and egg ingredients, the greater question is who (alien) in histroy mixed these ingredients and how did they plant it back into the female?

I for one am of the opinion that aliens inseminating woman is not as far fetched as it sounds. I also believe that some past doctors, priests, scientists, and normal courious people could also have experimented with this activity, and who knows may have suceeeded in several instances.


No sperm = no baby.. and this is where religious belief falls over, the suggestion of a baby being created without sperm is non sensical, I am guessing they spoke in these terms so as to make the event look more miraculous and less shameful...



Well not quite right science moves forward all the time. Scientists in Australia have found a way to fertilise eggs using genetic material from any cell in the body - and not just sperm.
The technique could potentially help infertile couples to have children.


Theoretically, we can use somatic cells from a female to produce the same embryo

Dr Orly Lacham-Kaplan
Theoretically, it also could mean that lesbian couples could give birth to a baby girl without the need for a father. Women do not carry the genetic information required to make a boy.

The technique has been developed by Dr Orly Lacham-Kaplan, from Monash University in Melbourne.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1431489.stm
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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 4:01 am » by Iwanci


'Theoretically' as you say everything is possible my friend.. but theory does not make reality, when it becomes reality it ceases to be theory...

Do I believe that eventually we could 'build' a human being without the need for an egg or sperm, yes can be possible, however for now... we only have eggs and sperm from which to make a baby and the question did relate to 'history'...


but I cant wait to see what other god like experiments we will embark upon, who knows, one day we may live forerver ....
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PostWed Dec 05, 2012 12:13 pm » by Toxic32


Iwanci wrote:'Theoretically' as you say everything is possible my friend.. but theory does not make reality, when it becomes reality it ceases to be theory...

Do I believe that eventually we could 'build' a human being without the need for an egg or sperm, yes can be possible, however for now... we only have eggs and sperm from which to make a baby and the question did relate to 'history'...


but I cant wait to see what other god like experiments we will embark upon, who knows, one day we may live forerver ....



:headscratch: You obviously didn't follow the link and read the content in my last post in this thread. If you had you would see it's not theoretical any more , it's reality. And what about cloning that's been around for some time??
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PostThu Dec 06, 2012 8:28 am » by Iwanci


Cloning requires something my friend.. it requires a being from which to clone.

The whole premise of the 'virgin' birth is built around the premise that there is some form of devine intervention.. the placement of a child in the womb...


Now, in so far as the 'alien' intervention theory, I must say that I do believe in its possibilities and I am a believer that this could explain the various and many 'virgin' births reported through history. If the 'god' and 'jesus' stories were told with an alien angle, ie.. that jesus was an alien sent here and he performed the many miracles etc etc etc.. I would most likely become a religious believer... however, in its current context, I do not believe in virgin births AT ALL.

Then again, I am assuming that by 'virgin' we are simply saying that no penetration has occured?

Has mankind experimented with births... strange ones, YES there have been so many strange experiments reported throughout history, cross species breeding experiments involving humans are well documented.

So, I guess I misread some of what you were saying... thought you were only relating to virgin in terms of the historical / religious context.


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