I don't believe in Chemtrails. Prove me wrong?

Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:34 pm » by **Rawdney**

Hi everyone. Long time lurker here, and a true believer in UFO's and government conspiracies.

I am having a hard time understanding the chemtrail conspiracy. All I ever see are pictures and videos of clouds and airplane contrails. I remember contrails looking exactly the same, and lasting just as long when I was a kid 25 years ago. If they are spraying chemicals, what are they spraying? Aren't they hurting themselves as well? Are pilots and airport employees in on the conspiracy?

Sorry. I just don't see the conspiracy here, but my ears and mind are open, so please try to prove me wrong with some good evidence, other than pictures of contrails.

Thanks.

Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:13 pm » by **Rawdney**

Thanks very much Slushpup for the wealth of information. I have some reading to do now.

Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:37 pm » by **Drextin**

Slushpup you posted a page and half of people who couldn't even get the story straight amongst themselves. Even the one about the planes seeding the clouds for climate control were crazy. First seeding clouds is nothing new, China just did for the Olympics. Second to seed the clouds you have to be above the weather which means any mist/gas or so on would be too high up to make it effective at ground level.

In Vietnam to drop agent orange from B52s they had to fly at treetop level because that is the only effective way to insure the right concentration. The same still goes today. Think logically. Riot police unleash canisters of tear gas but mainly as a smoke screen for them to advance since it is very unlikely that open air disbursement will have any effect. When Saddam gassed the kurds what you saw were direct hits on heavily populated narrow streets where the buildings acted as a container for the gas to settle in. The Iraqis waited for days till they had the perfect conditions before they did it.

Even if it was germs or viruses you would then have highly concentrated pockets of infection that would sound the alarm quickly. There are just far better and more accurate ways to achieve what chemtrail believers think is happening.

Chemtrails are to government conspiracies as orbs are to paranormal research. They are both credibility killers.

Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:56 pm » by **Drextin**

Chemtrails are some of the most debunked theories around. It always ignores basic scientific fact it always uses some obscure reference that you need need more faith to believe than the person who cited them.

Let me put it to you this way. It is such an ineffective delivery system that If the government is using chemtrails it's good news since that means they are stupider than we thought.

Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:58 pm » by **Anse777**

Shlushpup dont you think the government is gonna go after you for trying to educate the masses.I see chemtrails almost everyday especially on calm days. Some days it seems like they are so damn determined to get us its almost like they have OCD. I live in a rural area and some days you might see a contrail every once in a while. On other days they are just everywhere they go almost the entire length of the sky from east to west or north to south and linger for hours. I dont know what they are made of but they do exist. My wife thinks its just regular air traffic.

Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:56 pm » by **Tehunit**

Good points Slush, I think theres definatly something going on. I can see where the chemtrails start, right at the coast. I dirve to cambridge everyday, and I see them allmost everymorning. I saw a gigantic one this morning. It covered the entire sky from east to west. From where the coast starts to as far as i could see. My friend thinks that its water vapors.....which I dont think water vapors would stay in the sky for hours, but I guess i could be wrong. He also thinks that they are up there to keep survelence on the skys/air traffic. Which I highly doubt that, becayse if that was the case, they would have done a better job at stopping 9/11 RIGHT? Anyway, chemtrails are widely seen, but rarely brought to self conciousness. Me being somewhat more observative than most, I question these silly little things that happen in every day life. Ok thats enough for me, take care all.

Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:26 am » by **Rawdney**

Ok, so I just took these pictures outside my house. I believe these to be contrails, as it is otherwise blue sky today.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6610/dsc03797v.jpg

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9343/dsc03796.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4637/dsc03795t.jpg

Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:31 am » by **Mep630**

rawdney wrote:Hi everyone. Long time lurker here, and a true believer in UFO's and government conspiracies.

I am having a hard time understanding the chemtrail conspiracy. All I ever see are pictures and videos of clouds and airplane contrails. I remember contrails looking exactly the same, and lasting just as long when I was a kid 25 years ago. If they are spraying chemicals, what are they spraying? Aren't they hurting themselves as well? Are pilots and airport employees in on the conspiracy?

Sorry. I just don't see the conspiracy here, but my ears and mind are open, so please try to prove me wrong with some good evidence, other than pictures of contrails.

Thanks.

Sir,

All you have to do is PAY ATTENTION TO THE SKIES!!!

FFS they spray like crazy now. Look at the SKY every time your out of a building, take a good look around. Look for long lines in the sky usually in grid patterns.

Now watch for a few months, and get creeped out how many times you see them carpet your area like we were pests on the governments crops. Hell I almost lost it yesterday when I saw a big c-10 or c130 army plane doing a very low turn with what it looked like 8 crop dust sprayers going. They are not trying to hide this, they just count on you being to dumb to notice.

Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:46 am » by **Rawdney**

^^^^ I do pay attention to the skies. I am an avid skywatcher, and I see contrails and clouds all the time. I just don't believe that they are chemicals sprayed on us by the government. Take a look at the pictures that I posted at the bottom of page 2, and tell me what you think..

Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:41 am » by **Hansom**

Only time will tell, what exactly it is we are observing here.
I was amused to see the words "scientific fact"
Like science can provide all the answers, and is the only basis for irrefutable proof of the absolute truth.
Science is as equally flawed as any system of human belief, the only absolute in the universe is there are no absolutes.
Now I know that it is my human self that has this belief, and so is just as flawed as the aforementioned.
However there are things we know, that we have never learned.
Just because we have insight, doesn't mean that it is more valid than learned knowledge.
It's that learned knowledge will always contain an element of doubt, due to the fact that we use such words as deceitful, disinformation, misinformation.
Whereas things we find intuitive are hard not to believe.