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PostSat Apr 24, 2010 11:43 pm » by Reinaul


German troops in Afghanistan call on Angela Merkel to explain why they're at war


UK Daily Mail
Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22 EDT
German soldiers are wearing their hearts on their sleeves - in the form of a badge that protests their country's involvement in the war in Afghanistan.

Some troops have taken to wearing the cloth accessory that states - ironically - 'I fight for Merkel' in a bid to persuade the German Chancellor Angela Merkel to explain exactly what they are fighting and dying for.

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Four more troops were killed, and five badly injured, in Afghanistan last week.

Seven soldiers have died there so far this month, bringing the total to 43 in all since they were first deployed eight years ago.

Unable to engage the Taliban directly on the ground, frustrated by their government's inability to acknowledge they are even engaged in a war and angered by the lack of popular support for their mission, the badges are a low-key mutiny that has sent shock waves through the top brass of the Bundeswehr.

Soldiers were warned this week that it is illegal to sew the cloth patches on to their uniforms.

But that hasn't stopped them from buying the badges in their hundreds, in desert beige or NATO green, at the ISAF camp at Mazar-e-Sharif.

'They want the Chancellor, their ultimate boss, to finally find the clear words to put the war against the Taliban into black and white,' Bild Zeitung, Germany's biggest daily paper, said today.

Chancellor Merkel is to make a statement to parliament tomorrow. Her spokesman said she wants to make clear her 'high-esteem' for the work of the German soldiers in Afghanistan in the light of the recent casualties.

But she will be speaking in the Reichstag after being put under pressure from U.S. General Stanley McChrystal, who arrived in Germany today with a brief from the White House to get the Germans to do more in Afghanistan.

Germany has the third largest presence in Afghanistan after the U.S. and Britain. The German parliament approved the dispatch of a further 850 soldiers in February when it extended the mandate for the military mission.

Yet the political will for German troops to engage the enemy head-on remains lacking.

Cracks are growing in the parties that supported their engagement there up until now.

Ottmar Schreiner, a left-wing member of the opposition Social Democratic Party (SPD), said his party has 'growing doubts' about German involvement in Afghanistan.

He said: 'If things haven't improved in Afghanistan by next year then I don't see where a majority for a new extension of the mandate is going to come from.'

The trouble for Mrs Merkel is that German involvement is deeply unpopular with some 80 per cent of the public, who want the troops to come home. Germany's disastrous wars of the last century have left its public with a deep pacifistic streak.

The German press has been swift to condemn the government for its indecisiveness.

The Financial Times Deutschland said: 'With every dead German soldier in Afghanistan, the calls for an immediate withdrawal grow louder. This reflex shows that the German public is still not clear about the character of the mission.

'The politicians are largely to blame. Since the beginning of the mission eight years ago they suppressed a realistic description of the situation... Deaths, injuries, battles and heavy weaponry -- none of these suit the picture that was painted back then.'

The left-wing Berliner Zeitung said: 'Why are German soldiers in Afghanistan at all? As the chancellor and her government are still sticking to the military mission there it is their duty to explain it. But she has failed to do so.

'This can be explained by her basic attitude - it is only worth talking about problems when they become virulent.

'In the case of Afghanistan this is particularly catastrophic. Because the government has failed to make its case in what is the biggest foreign policy and security policy challenge in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany.'

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PostSun Apr 25, 2010 12:54 am » by Slith


Reinaul wrote:German troops in Afghanistan call on Angela Merkel to explain why they're at war


UK Daily Mail
Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22 EDT
German soldiers are wearing their hearts on their sleeves - in the form of a badge that protests their country's involvement in the war in Afghanistan.

Some troops have taken to wearing the cloth accessory that states - ironically - 'I fight for Merkel' in a bid to persuade the German Chancellor Angela Merkel to explain exactly what they are fighting and dying for.

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Four more troops were killed, and five badly injured, in Afghanistan last week.

Seven soldiers have died there so far this month, bringing the total to 43 in all since they were first deployed eight years ago.

Unable to engage the Taliban directly on the ground, frustrated by their government's inability to acknowledge they are even engaged in a war and angered by the lack of popular support for their mission, the badges are a low-key mutiny that has sent shock waves through the top brass of the Bundeswehr.

Soldiers were warned this week that it is illegal to sew the cloth patches on to their uniforms.

But that hasn't stopped them from buying the badges in their hundreds, in desert beige or NATO green, at the ISAF camp at Mazar-e-Sharif.

'They want the Chancellor, their ultimate boss, to finally find the clear words to put the war against the Taliban into black and white,' Bild Zeitung, Germany's biggest daily paper, said today.

Chancellor Merkel is to make a statement to parliament tomorrow. Her spokesman said she wants to make clear her 'high-esteem' for the work of the German soldiers in Afghanistan in the light of the recent casualties.

But she will be speaking in the Reichstag after being put under pressure from U.S. General Stanley McChrystal, who arrived in Germany today with a brief from the White House to get the Germans to do more in Afghanistan.

Germany has the third largest presence in Afghanistan after the U.S. and Britain. The German parliament approved the dispatch of a further 850 soldiers in February when it extended the mandate for the military mission.

Yet the political will for German troops to engage the enemy head-on remains lacking.

Cracks are growing in the parties that supported their engagement there up until now.

Ottmar Schreiner, a left-wing member of the opposition Social Democratic Party (SPD), said his party has 'growing doubts' about German involvement in Afghanistan.

He said: 'If things haven't improved in Afghanistan by next year then I don't see where a majority for a new extension of the mandate is going to come from.'

The trouble for Mrs Merkel is that German involvement is deeply unpopular with some 80 per cent of the public, who want the troops to come home. Germany's disastrous wars of the last century have left its public with a deep pacifistic streak.

The German press has been swift to condemn the government for its indecisiveness.

The Financial Times Deutschland said: 'With every dead German soldier in Afghanistan, the calls for an immediate withdrawal grow louder. This reflex shows that the German public is still not clear about the character of the mission.

'The politicians are largely to blame. Since the beginning of the mission eight years ago they suppressed a realistic description of the situation... Deaths, injuries, battles and heavy weaponry -- none of these suit the picture that was painted back then.'

The left-wing Berliner Zeitung said: 'Why are German soldiers in Afghanistan at all? As the chancellor and her government are still sticking to the military mission there it is their duty to explain it. But she has failed to do so.

'This can be explained by her basic attitude - it is only worth talking about problems when they become virulent.

'In the case of Afghanistan this is particularly catastrophic. Because the government has failed to make its case in what is the biggest foreign policy and security policy challenge in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany.'

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/20742 ... -re-at-war

We are all in the same boat my friend. I hate this shit, bring our boys home and let these idiots blow the fuck out of each other
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PostSun Apr 25, 2010 1:11 am » by Slith


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Reinaul wrote:German troops in Afghanistan call on Angela Merkel to explain why they're at war


UK Daily Mail
Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:22 EDT
German soldiers are wearing their hearts on their sleeves - in the form of a badge that protests their country's involvement in the war in Afghanistan.

Some troops have taken to wearing the cloth accessory that states - ironically - 'I fight for Merkel' in a bid to persuade the German Chancellor Angela Merkel to explain exactly what they are fighting and dying for.

Image

Four more troops were killed, and five badly injured, in Afghanistan last week.

Seven soldiers have died there so far this month, bringing the total to 43 in all since they were first deployed eight years ago.

Unable to engage the Taliban directly on the ground, frustrated by their government's inability to acknowledge they are even engaged in a war and angered by the lack of popular support for their mission, the badges are a low-key mutiny that has sent shock waves through the top brass of the Bundeswehr.

Soldiers were warned this week that it is illegal to sew the cloth patches on to their uniforms.

But that hasn't stopped them from buying the badges in their hundreds, in desert beige or NATO green, at the ISAF camp at Mazar-e-Sharif.

'They want the Chancellor, their ultimate boss, to finally find the clear words to put the war against the Taliban into black and white,' Bild Zeitung, Germany's biggest daily paper, said today.

Chancellor Merkel is to make a statement to parliament tomorrow. Her spokesman said she wants to make clear her 'high-esteem' for the work of the German soldiers in Afghanistan in the light of the recent casualties.

But she will be speaking in the Reichstag after being put under pressure from U.S. General Stanley McChrystal, who arrived in Germany today with a brief from the White House to get the Germans to do more in Afghanistan.

Germany has the third largest presence in Afghanistan after the U.S. and Britain. The German parliament approved the dispatch of a further 850 soldiers in February when it extended the mandate for the military mission.

Yet the political will for German troops to engage the enemy head-on remains lacking.

Cracks are growing in the parties that supported their engagement there up until now.

Ottmar Schreiner, a left-wing member of the opposition Social Democratic Party (SPD), said his party has 'growing doubts' about German involvement in Afghanistan.

He said: 'If things haven't improved in Afghanistan by next year then I don't see where a majority for a new extension of the mandate is going to come from.'

The trouble for Mrs Merkel is that German involvement is deeply unpopular with some 80 per cent of the public, who want the troops to come home. Germany's disastrous wars of the last century have left its public with a deep pacifistic streak.

The German press has been swift to condemn the government for its indecisiveness.

The Financial Times Deutschland said: 'With every dead German soldier in Afghanistan, the calls for an immediate withdrawal grow louder. This reflex shows that the German public is still not clear about the character of the mission.

'The politicians are largely to blame. Since the beginning of the mission eight years ago they suppressed a realistic description of the situation... Deaths, injuries, battles and heavy weaponry -- none of these suit the picture that was painted back then.'

The left-wing Berliner Zeitung said: 'Why are German soldiers in Afghanistan at all? As the chancellor and her government are still sticking to the military mission there it is their duty to explain it. But she has failed to do so.

'This can be explained by her basic attitude - it is only worth talking about problems when they become virulent.

'In the case of Afghanistan this is particularly catastrophic. Because the government has failed to make its case in what is the biggest foreign policy and security policy challenge in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany.'

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/20742 ... -re-at-war

We are all in the same boat my friend. I hate this shit, bring our boys home and let these idiots blow the fuck out of each other

I have a friend that has been there twice. He has a lot of friends he made with the locals. They want our help. He says that the majority of the people love us and need us so they don't fall under taliban control. They were not even allowed music before and woman were treated even worse then now.

I completely understand what your saying man. It's a very hard scenario to deal with.
Here's my beef and my dilemna. My dad died 3 and a half years ago. He is buried at Beechwood military cemetary here in Ottawa. Since then, and upon row on row they add to the fallen at least 300 gravestones since he passed. Many from ww2, yet many from Afghanistan. 18, 19 , 20 years olds who are essentially fighting something they can never win. I respect them beyond belief, but it's time to go. For all of us.
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PostSun Apr 25, 2010 1:15 am » by -Marduk-


"I fight for Merkel" German soldiers snap up Afghan policy protest badges
Discord in the Bundeswehr at a lack of clarity from the government in Berlin over the deployment in Afghanistan
20.04.2010 - 15:46 UHR

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The badge comes in desert beige or NATO green and is rather inconspicuous. But it is a big seller amongst German soldiers at the ISAF camp at Mazar-e-Sharif – and it’s whipping up a storm!

It declares: “I fight for Merkel”

SILENT CALL FOR HELP

But it is not loyal fans of the German Chancellor buying the patch. Rather, it is a silent protest from soldiers who do not feel they have sufficient support from their superiors.

They want the Chancellor, their ultimate boss, to finally find the clear words to put the war against the Taliban into black and white.

The troops aren’t actually allowed to wear the badges. Unofficial add-ons are strictly forbidden from Bundeswehr uniforms, and the army command enforces this rule with a keen eye.

Nonetheless, many soldiers are taking the badges home with them – as a souvenir of a war which in official German political speak is not a war at all.

The patch is available in the camp shop for €3.50 and demand is high. The first batch of 50 was sold out quickly and now the next lot have been snapped up as well.

Will a fresh supply be there in time for a government statement from Angela Merkel on Thursday?

It’s questionable. The German soldiers are still waiting urgently for clear words on policy from Berlin.

The government has already made it clear that it stands behind the troops and behind what it calls the ‘concept’ for the deployment in Afghanistan.

Whilst officials in Berlin carry on tweaking the definition, everyday life has returned for the soldiers after last week’s deadly attack which left four dead and five badly injured.

Brigadier Frank Leidenberger said at the funeral service in Mazar-e-Sharif: “Nothing has changed: We will not back down. We will keep fighting. And we will win.”

It was a statement which probably matches the mindset of the troops best. They cannot afford, and nor do they want, a long mourning period here. There is work to do. If not for Merkel, then for the Afghan people.

US GENERAL WITH MERKEL

On Wednesday, US General Stanley McChrystal will travel to Berlin to discuss the situation with Chancellor Merkel. And he will put pressure on!

McChrsytal wants to see the Bundeswehr more involved in the war against the Taliban.


:look: Europes biggest newspaper: (Germanys Bild)
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-engli ... adges.html
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PostSun Apr 25, 2010 1:25 am » by Slith


marduk2012 wrote: "I fight for Merkel" German soldiers snap up Afghan policy protest badges
Discord in the Bundeswehr at a lack of clarity from the government in Berlin over the deployment in Afghanistan
20.04.2010 - 15:46 UHR

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The badge comes in desert beige or NATO green and is rather inconspicuous. But it is a big seller amongst German soldiers at the ISAF camp at Mazar-e-Sharif – and it’s whipping up a storm!

It declares: “I fight for Merkel”

SILENT CALL FOR HELP

But it is not loyal fans of the German Chancellor buying the patch. Rather, it is a silent protest from soldiers who do not feel they have sufficient support from their superiors.

They want the Chancellor, their ultimate boss, to finally find the clear words to put the war against the Taliban into black and white.

The troops aren’t actually allowed to wear the badges. Unofficial add-ons are strictly forbidden from Bundeswehr uniforms, and the army command enforces this rule with a keen eye.

Nonetheless, many soldiers are taking the badges home with them – as a souvenir of a war which in official German political speak is not a war at all.

The patch is available in the camp shop for €3.50 and demand is high. The first batch of 50 was sold out quickly and now the next lot have been snapped up as well.

Will a fresh supply be there in time for a government statement from Angela Merkel on Thursday?

It’s questionable. The German soldiers are still waiting urgently for clear words on policy from Berlin.

The government has already made it clear that it stands behind the troops and behind what it calls the ‘concept’ for the deployment in Afghanistan.

Whilst officials in Berlin carry on tweaking the definition, everyday life has returned for the soldiers after last week’s deadly attack which left four dead and five badly injured.

Brigadier Frank Leidenberger said at the funeral service in Mazar-e-Sharif: “Nothing has changed: We will not back down. We will keep fighting. And we will win.”

It was a statement which probably matches the mindset of the troops best. They cannot afford, and nor do they want, a long mourning period here. There is work to do. If not for Merkel, then for the Afghan people.

US GENERAL WITH MERKEL

On Wednesday, US General Stanley McChrystal will travel to Berlin to discuss the situation with Chancellor Merkel. And he will put pressure on!

McChrsytal wants to see the Bundeswehr more involved in the war against the Taliban.


:look: Europes biggest newspaper: (Germanys Bild)
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-engli ... adges.html

The hard part for me Marduk is seeing my brothers get killed. I know you feel the same. Yes, we need to help the Afghani people, but at what price and is there some type of semblance of a rainbow at the end. I just can't see this. Very frustrating to say the least. There seems to be no answer
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PostSun Apr 25, 2010 1:48 am » by -Marduk-


help the Afghani, c´mon slith
our soldiers walkin through fields of boo
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without doing nothin´...we dont burn ze shit down

WHY???

sis land is not known as the graveyard of empires...for nothing
these mofos down there.. are fightin nearly 700 years in a row...
they know their confession
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PostSun Apr 25, 2010 2:06 am » by Slith


marduk2012 wrote:help the Afghani, c´mon slith
our soldiers walkin through fields of boo
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without doing nothin´...we dont burn ze shit down

WHY???

sis land is not known as the graveyard of empires...for nothing
these mofos down there.. are fightin nearly 700 years in a row...
they know their confession

My friend. look at my post. We should bail from a military standpoint, because we can't win. Yet these people will need our help on a different level. Yet how is this to be done without a military presence?
They have been doing it much longer than 700 years in that area and it will never change. Whether our forces are there or not
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PostSun Apr 25, 2010 2:52 am » by Freedomofwill


The death's of the soldier's in Afghanistan are nothing compared to death of WW2, WW1.

Why the hell is the war still going on after 8 years? Who is supplying weapons to the Taliban? Find out who's supplying the weapons to the Taliban and you win the war. But noooo its not simple as that is it?

Who's supplying the weaponry? Weapons dealers make huge profits from wars. We can stop them from doing that if we find out who they are. Find out who they are and we have a solution.

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PostSun Apr 25, 2010 3:01 am » by Slith


freedomofwill wrote:The death's of the soldier's in Afghanistan are nothing compared to death of WW2, WW1.

Why the hell is the war still going on after 8 years? Who is supplying weapons to the Taliban? Find out who's supplying the weapons to the Taliban and you win the war. But noooo its not simple as that is it?

Who's supplying the weaponry? Weapons dealers make huge profits from wars. We can stop them from doing that if we find out who they are. Find out who they are and we have a solution.

No the death is not at the same level as those wars, yet it's still death, and truly still a sad function to our existence.

Problem is, and this is a small example. Then multiply it on a much bigger scale. The Americans armed the Afghans when the Russians invaded. These weapons and many more upgraded and supplied U.S weapons are used to combat the U.S and allied forces today. Oxymoronic or what?
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