Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:38 am » by **Svaha**

tgwusauk wrote:I don't see what winning the lottery has to do with immigration.
He paid his money he is entitled to collect his prize, there are no ifs or buts, imagine anyone on here going into Vegas dropping the jackpot and the casino says well you cant have it because you don't live in Vegas, you would be far from happy, I know it is an different analogy as such, but the principle remains the same.
Whether immigration want to pick him up after collecting his winnings is entirely their choice/duty but don't deny the man his rights to winning the lottery.
Lottery is massively boosted by illegals money like it or not, if you are going to stop it, you stop it at source, show legality before purchase, then there wouldn't be any need for this discussion.

Agree.

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:15 pm » by **Constabul**

tgwusauk wrote:I don't see what winning the lottery has to do with immigration.
He paid his money he is entitled to collect his prize, there are no ifs or buts, imagine anyone on here going into Vegas dropping the jackpot and the casino says well you cant have it because you don't live in Vegas, you would be far from happy, I know it is an different analogy as such, but the principle remains the same.
Whether immigration want to pick him up after collecting his winnings is entirely their choice/duty but don't deny the man his rights to winning the lottery.
Lottery is massively boosted by illegals money like it or not, if you are going to stop it, you stop it at source, show legality before purchase, then there wouldn't be any need for this discussion.

Well one, Those traveling to Vegas are doing so via passport, They are here legally and they are here for a specific time, and are visiting a private establishment that has a business in gambling.
Completely different circumstances, And maybe because you are a recent immigrant you do not understand this.

A lottery is a state pool collected via citizens contributions, and in a couple cases are a grouping of states that tally into the same pool. Public money, for the public citizenry.
Be it scratch offs or the drawings.

Learn what you are talking about before you start writing an opinion because it makes your opinion look stupid.
I think we have discussed this before.

No a illegal immigrant should not be allowed to have the winnings, he should be deported, and the person who took advantage of the fellow should be jailed, along with his wife.

If Jose wanted to gamble, he should have gotten a passport from him homeland of Mexico and traveled to Vegas to try his luck. Not sneak over the border illegally when plenty of others are going through the proper channels to be a citizen.

Which i'm starting to wonder now if tgwusauk is here illegally due to nature of the response, Because if i was spending the time and money it takes to become a citizen of the united states i would be pissed at people like Jose.
Maybe we need to send ICE to speak with tgwusauk
:look:

Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:50 am » by **Tgwusauk**

constabul wrote:
tgwusauk wrote:I don't see what winning the lottery has to do with immigration.
He paid his money he is entitled to collect his prize, there are no ifs or buts, imagine anyone on here going into Vegas dropping the jackpot and the casino says well you cant have it because you don't live in Vegas, you would be far from happy, I know it is an different analogy as such, but the principle remains the same.
Whether immigration want to pick him up after collecting his winnings is entirely their choice/duty but don't deny the man his rights to winning the lottery.
Lottery is massively boosted by illegals money like it or not, if you are going to stop it, you stop it at source, show legality before purchase, then there wouldn't be any need for this discussion.

Well one, Those traveling to Vegas are doing so via passport, They are here legally and they are here for a specific time, and are visiting a private establishment that has a business in gambling.
Completely different circumstances, And maybe because you are a recent immigrant you do not understand this.

A lottery is a state pool collected via citizens contributions, and in a couple cases are a grouping of states that tally into the same pool. Public money, for the public citizenry.
Be it scratch offs or the drawings.

Learn what you are talking about before you start writing an opinion because it makes your opinion look stupid.
I think we have discussed this before.

No a illegal immigrant should not be allowed to have the winnings, he should be deported, and the person who took advantage of the fellow should be jailed, along with his wife.

If Jose wanted to gamble, he should have gotten a passport from him homeland of Mexico and traveled to Vegas to try his luck. Not sneak over the border illegally when plenty of others are going through the proper channels to be a citizen.

Which i'm starting to wonder now if tgwusauk is here illegally due to nature of the response, Because if i was spending the time and money it takes to become a citizen of the united states i would be pissed at people like Jose.
Maybe we need to send ICE to speak with tgwusauk

You need to get the chip off your shoulder and try a little humility for once.
You can state your opinion and you disagree with mine that is fine, but calling people stupid and then questioning my legality, renders your opinions worthless.
You can send whoever you like to check my validity it don't scare me pal, I will tell you what, I will do a deal with you, you send Ice to check my status and I send you for a psychriatic evualation and we will see who stands valid, deal?
Keep on track with your agenda.

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:24 am » by **Constabul**

tgwusauk wrote:You need to get the chip off your shoulder and try a little humility for once.
You can state your opinion and you disagree with mine that is fine, but calling people stupid and then questioning my legality, renders your opinions worthless.
You can send whoever you like to check my validity it don't scare me pal, I will tell you what, I will do a deal with you, you send Ice to check my status and I send you for a psychriatic evualation and we will see who stands valid, deal?
Keep on track with your agenda.

Not a chip, just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.

MY opinion is as i have stated, But the facts are that in a Public fund, generated for state purposes, such as with lotteries, the winning should go to citizens E.g residents of that state.

A private business such as a casino, money is generated through clientele.
And those coming from out of country are doing so legally. As already explained

No similarity what so ever. Other then the term gambling can be attributed to both, Which is where I guess you think it means it is the same... It is not.

Thus your opinion looks stupid. If you were actually paying attention you might would learn something, in which i am assisting your learning curve to even up a bit. I am actually helping you out.

You would like to render my opinions worthless because when presented with the facts( as I listed). It validates my opinions, only in as much I know the differences and can make an educated opinion on the subject, Unlike you, and when that happens it makes you look stupid.

As to your legal status, I assume you spent a lot of money and effort in coming to the states.
I can only assume you have done it through the proper channels. It does not bother you that someone else does it illegally? Which in the end belittles you and your effort, or are you the type that used a student visa, and have gone into hiding, retaining your previous status, thumbing your nose at America, while coming here to live?

Humility has nothing to do with anything in this conversation, other then you fishing for some ground to stand on.

Yes I'm sending ICE your way Lolz...

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:44 am » by **Tgwusauk**

constabul wrote:
tgwusauk wrote:You need to get the chip off your shoulder and try a little humility for once.
You can state your opinion and you disagree with mine that is fine, but calling people stupid and then questioning my legality, renders your opinions worthless.
You can send whoever you like to check my validity it don't scare me pal, I will tell you what, I will do a deal with you, you send Ice to check my status and I send you for a psychriatic evualation and we will see who stands valid, deal?
Keep on track with your agenda.

Not a chip, just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.

MY opinion is as i have stated, But the facts are that in a Public fund, generated for state purposes, such as with lotteries, the winning should go to citizens E.g residents of that state.

A private business such as a casino, money is generated through clientele.
And those coming from out of country are doing so legally. As already explained

No similarity what so ever. Other then the term gambling can be attributed to both, Which is where I guess you think it means it is the same... It is not.

Thus your opinion looks stupid. If you were actually paying attention you might would learn something, in which i am assisting your learning curve to even up a bit. I am actually helping you out.

You would like to render my opinions worthless because when presented with the facts( as I listed). It validates my opinions, only in as much I know the differences and can make an educated opinion on the subject, Unlike you, and when that happens it makes you look stupid.

As to your legal status, I assume you spent a lot of money and effort in coming to the states.
I can only assume you have done it through the proper channels. It does not bother you that someone else does it illegally? Which in the end belittles you and your effort, or are you the type that used a student visa, and have gone into hiding, retaining your previous status, thumbing your nose at America, while coming here to live?

Humility has nothing to do with anything in this conversation, other then you fishing for some ground to stand on.

Yes I'm sending ICE your way Lolz...

Do we have a deal then? you send ice here to check my status and I send you for a pyschriatic evualation. Trolling agent

Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:55 pm » by **Constabul**

tgwusauk wrote:Do we have a deal then? you send ice here to check my status and I send you for a pyschriatic evualation. Trolling agent

Yes, I am a trolling agent because I point out your stupidity.
Must be a simplistic world you live in.

As to the "pyschriatic", As you put it, I'm not sure what that is.
Now I know what a psychiatric specialist does, and you may have been trying to spell that.
But If that is the case, you failed.

In any case it does not change the fact you do not know what you are talking about....... again.

Edit to add.
I do think it is rather telling, you wish to focus on a off handed comment about your legal status, verse the stupid comments you made.
:look:

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:56 pm » by **99socks**

constabul wrote:
Not a chip, just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.

Lol... So, the opinions of millions of ignorant Obama voters from the last election has no meaning?

Hahaha... :cheers:

I'm glad someone found this video, because I was blown away when I first heard it on the radio too (not from Howard Stern).
[youtube]woBC5b3Ti0M&list=FLO_qV0upYMPV_eVhKK8dmvA&index=3&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:08 pm » by **Jet17**

ship him back, take the earnings and put in in a fund to build a wall across the american and mexican border.

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:35 pm » by **Middleman**

constabul wrote:Well one, Those traveling to Vegas are doing so via passport, They are here legally and they are here for a specific time

Bullshit. Nobody asks for your passport or visa in a casino. You could have walked straight from Mexico, for all they know, or care.

constabul wrote:
A lottery is a state pool collected via citizens contributions, and in a couple cases are a grouping of states that tally into the same pool. Public money, for the public citizenry.

There are many, many studies on the subject of how much tax etc illegal immigrants pay, and they mostly agree that illegals pay plenty, even including those who don't pay income tax.

The IRS themselves suggest that 6 million "unauthorized immigrants" file individual state and federal income tax returns each year.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645

Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:22 pm » by **Jet17**

middleman wrote:
constabul wrote:Well one, Those traveling to Vegas are doing so via passport, They are here legally and they are here for a specific time

Bullshit. Nobody asks for your passport or visa in a casino. You could have walked straight from Mexico, for all they know, or care.

constabul wrote:
A lottery is a state pool collected via citizens contributions, and in a couple cases are a grouping of states that tally into the same pool. Public money, for the public citizenry.

There are many, many studies on the subject of how much tax etc illegal immigrants pay, and they mostly agree that illegals pay plenty, even including those who don't pay income tax.

The IRS themselves suggest that 6 million "unauthorized immigrants" file individual state and federal income tax returns each year.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645

The same link you just posted also states this:

Most available studies conclude that the unauthorized population pays less in state and local
taxes than it costs state and local governments to provide services to that population.

it also goes on to say that those estimates have severe limitations.

it still goes to show that having fake credentials (a felony) and documents, and getting paid and expecting services that cost more to run than you are paying back in a country you are not only lying to live in but illegally occupying is something that EVERYONE shouldn't have to deal with.

It's like saying that someone who is incarcerated in a federal prison should be allowed to buy a lottery ticket and use his funds to purchase special rights in prison that aren't granted by the law.

This is a case of legality and morality.

from a legal sense, he doesn't deserve anything, if he illegally paid taxes for a country he doesn't live in and expect to get a legal pay back, .... well you see the conundrum in that certainly?

from a moral sense, he came over here illegally, infringed on other peoples tax services to pay for American citizens services (not illegal immigrants). illegally asked for a citizen to take the earnings under a proxy to avoid legal detention, then expects LEGAL redemption in a country which he illegally used for how may years?

money is a motive, not justice.

Filing a tax return under faulty information is also illegal, and since most filing are under the poverty line, guess what? they get a tremendous tax return. how wonderfully illegal for them.

that is wanting your cake and eating it too, you can't have both.

he knew what and why he was doing it, and now he expects those reasons he was avoiding to come to his aid. typical illegal immigrant mentality.