Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

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PostThu Mar 08, 2012 12:36 am » by Constabul


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constabul wrote:Well one, Those traveling to Vegas are doing so via passport, They are here legally and they are here for a specific time


Bullshit. Nobody asks for your passport or visa in a casino. You could have walked straight from Mexico, for all they know, or care.



Well, for one tgwusauk was drawing a conclusion to their opinion by comparing Vegas to a state run lottery.
tgwusauk wrote:imagine anyone on here going into Vegas dropping the jackpot and the casino says well you cant have it because you don't live in Vegas

People in general who are coming from outside the States flying into Vegas are doing so on a passport.
Of course they do not card everyone coming through the door, nor did i give the perceived notion that I did.
They are a private business (as i already wrote), they can serve anyone they choose or like, legals, illegals, citizens, foreigners..
besides the fact that, many hotels require identification to reserve a room, most casinos in Vegas are hotels too, and that to fly into the county, to Vegas one needs a passport..

Overall point being in context to the original conversation is, That a private business is not the same as a state run / sponsored Lottery.

So i'm not really sure what point you think you have, but in the context of the discussion of the thread, I have not posted bullshit of any sort.


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constabul wrote:
A lottery is a state pool collected via citizens contributions, and in a couple cases are a grouping of states that tally into the same pool. Public money, for the public citizenry.


There are many, many studies on the subject of how much tax etc illegal immigrants pay, and they mostly agree that illegals pay plenty, even including those who don't pay income tax.

The IRS themselves suggest that 6 million "unauthorized immigrants" file individual state and federal income tax returns each year.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645


I'm not talking about the studies, if we wanna go there look into how much money is sent back to Mexico.

There are plenty of Mexicans who are here on workers visas and have been for generations.
They pay into the system and benefit from it.

Wanna see where that "generated" income from illegals becomes completely invalid, is the health care costs to emergency medical rooms. To Health clinics, and numerous other agency's they take advantage of while here, that are designed and meant for citizens to utilize.
The list goes on and on, and what little they pay in taxes while buying grocery's, gas, or through a paycheck based on illegal (felony level) documents does not make up for the cost of them on a system that was not meant to support them.
I Honestly can not say what the most of them make a year, but i doubt in general it is near or over 50k, other then maybe by illegal drug trade, which that isn't taxed.
I mean we could really get deep into this including the MS-13 gangs and other like them that have spread into this country and are destroying numerous area with illegal drug trade and theft..

Other then that, jet answered you fairly well, AND it really has nothing to do with the conversation in general
Except for someone trying to make excuses as to why illegals who are committing numerous felonies in just be here, not counting the ones to continue to live here, should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want.

Not really a valid point or leg to stand on.


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PostThu Mar 08, 2012 12:49 am » by Constabul


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Not a chip, just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.




Lol... So, the opinions of millions of ignorant Obama voters from the last election has no meaning?

Hahaha... :cheers:

I'm glad someone found this video, because I was blown away when I first heard it on the radio too (not from Howard Stern).
[youtube]woBC5b3Ti0M&list=FLO_qV0upYMPV_eVhKK8dmvA&index=3&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]



Yeah, I don't like Howard Stern But that was funny as hell. (And scary).

Honestly i feel this comment
constabul wrote: just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.

Might come back to bite me in the ass when arguing over religion in the future :lol:


But really, Back to this whole situation here. ( not directed at you sock)
It is no different then me watching a 5 min video on the solar system, then developing a theory of how I think it works, While not having an understanding of Gravity.
Certainly, I'm entitled to my opinion. But when trying to contrast my opinion to other subject matter, to give an example of my opinion at work. When I fail to realize certain underlying factors. Just makes me look stupid to any i'm talking to, that do understand.
My ignorance is my fault, not the person who pointed it out.
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PostThu Mar 08, 2012 5:46 am » by Middleman


I was simply trying to point out that illegals are members of society in every way except the papers. They make a contribution, and excluding them is to give in to our most tribal and base notions.

The thing that is both the most shocking and completely unremarkable in this story is that the people he enlisted to help him were able to exploit him so completely because of his lack of status or legal recourse. If they'd thrown him a token couple of thousand, he probably never would have exposed them.

Now imagine that he didn't win the lottery, but rather just wanted an honest days work for an honest days pay...or that a serious crime was committed against one of his kids, and he was trying to decide to go to the cops or not.

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PostThu Mar 08, 2012 6:47 am » by 99socks


middleman wrote:I was simply trying to point out that illegals are members of society in every way except the papers. They make a contribution, and excluding them is to give in to our most tribal and base notions.

The thing that is both the most shocking and completely unremarkable in this story is that the people he enlisted to help him were able to exploit him so completely because of his lack of status or legal recourse. If they'd thrown him a token couple of thousand, he probably never would have exposed them.

Now imagine that he didn't win the lottery, but rather just wanted an honest days work for an honest days pay...or that a serious crime was committed against one of his kids, and he was trying to decide to go to the cops or not.



It was his decision to come to the country, and his decision to play the lottery.
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