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 Post subject: Imago Dei - Image of God
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:37 pm 
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In the post Image influences from yesterday I tried to point to the fact of replacing reality with images being taken. Thus an image - or more advenced, a film - have become both witness and evidence to modern humans of having part in real reality, as if an image is real reality. In being under such process, perception of modern reality perception modes has tremendously changed. Besides it, human abilities in memorizing and imagination are about to degenerate, which is really a pity.

We want to go a further step. Actually an image is representing a reality indeed thus being somehow like a symbol. Remember the function of a symbol representing a reality. An image is the same allowing us to say, that an image is a symbol. It is not real reality, but a representation of it. There is for instance an image of my friend, and surely I will say, look, this is my friend., which actually is not more than an image as photo or film.

Nevertheless I keep care on it and consider it as somhow "living something". It is interesting, that Aristotle came up with something helpful in this context. He made a difference between substance and what he called accident.
Substance is that, where a being is made of, what is essential to a being.
Accident is an attribute, which may belong or not to a being, without being essential.

In other words - you may hold a photo of your friend in your pocket. From substance it is paper and some additional things. The accident is something nonsubstantial, but nevertheless important - maybe your love to your friend, your rememberences, your thinking, it is from him/her. Accident is thus belonging to every symbol giving it vivid meaning.

(This is btw a deep reason people see meaning in bread and wine in holy communion used in churches. Bread and wine represent Christ`s presence although it can not be proved in substantial manner). So this is the reason people love many things from friends apart from any substantiality: handkerchiefs, lip prints on letters, pressed plants, flowers and, and, and... It represents them. And so do images.

We must not forget people in ancient times did not speak in philosophical terms of God as we do. Furthermore, they told stories. Ancient civilisations were big story tellers, more than we are. We divide between relative and absolute. They didnt use such terms. They told of God and his image. They spoke of humans actually being made in God`s image. They understood the creation human being a representative of the creator.

Thus the image story continues at another level. Those images I spoke of influenced our perception of reality as I descriced above. Now I speak of images being living and responsible beings. The image human being is not only representing God or the divine, but is a counterpart of of it.

Now the image case has come to the point of twofold challenges. First, there is a challenge of understanding reality while encountering images. An image is not the real reality.

Second, in understanding, that we as human beings are ourselves images, leads us to the challenge lookin, which reality we represent behind our "image reality". This is the reality of connectness and all is part of a big oneness. And even language is referring to such insight.

There is a connection between mother(lat. mater), matter and matrix. Matter is the substance, of which all physicality is made of. Matrix (lat. womb) is the web, where all that is comes from. And mater (mother) is the divine love, which gives birth to all that is supposed to appear thus forming reality. And this divine reality is representing itself in images, which are humans, but more deeply all that is as being under beings.

And while living images are beings under image reality and at the same time representatives of a divine reality, they are creation and creator at the same time. They walk between different realities. They are real and not real. They operate between actuality and possibility. They live manyfold lives at the same time. They are honored with excitement. Such is humanity.

And the only honest prayer is without doubt: thankfulness despite such being appears once in a while a big mess.

Image reality, what else...

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 Post subject: Re: Imago Dei - Image of God
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:52 pm 
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Wasn't that the point of Jesus... to be both real and unreal, creator and created, actual and possible... To show us, not our opposing nature from God and to drive us to the opposite extreme in the weakness of humanity to counterbalance Him and His divinity... but to bridge the gap between what is literal and what is seen, and what is not... And to validate a middle ground?

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 Post subject: Re: Imago Dei - Image of God
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:13 pm 
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tertiusgaudens wrote:
In the post Image influences from yesterday I tried to point to the fact of replacing reality with images being taken. Thus an image - or more advenced, a film - have become both witness and evidence to modern humans of having part in real reality, as if an image is real reality. In being under such process, perception of modern reality perception modes has tremendously changed. Besides it, human abilities in memorizing and imagination are about to degenerate, which is really a pity.

We want to go a further step. Actually an image is representing a reality indeed thus being somehow like a symbol. Remember the function of a symbol representing a reality. An image is the same allowing us to say, that an image is a symbol. It is not real reality, but a representation of it. There is for instance an image of my friend, and surely I will say, look, this is my friend., which actually is not more than an image as photo or film.

Nevertheless I keep care on it and consider it as somhow "living something". It is interesting, that Aristotle came up with something helpful in this context. He made a difference between substance and what he called accident.
Substance is that, where a being is made of, what is essential to a being.
Accident is an attribute, which may belong or not to a being, without being essential.

In other words - you may hold a photo of your friend in your pocket. From substance it is paper and some additional things. The accident is something nonsubstantial, but nevertheless important - maybe your love to your friend, your rememberences, your thinking, it is from him/her. Accident is thus belonging to every symbol giving it vivid meaning.

(This is btw a deep reason people see meaning in bread and wine in holy communion used in churches. Bread and wine represent Christ`s presence although it can not be proved in substantial manner). So this is the reason people love many things from friends apart from any substantiality: handkerchiefs, lip prints on letters, pressed plants, flowers and, and, and... It represents them. And so do images.

We must not forget people in ancient times did not speak in philosophical terms of God as we do. Furthermore, they told stories. Ancient civilisations were big story tellers, more than we are. We divide between relative and absolute. They didnt use such terms. They told of God and his image. They spoke of humans actually being made in God`s image. They understood the creation human being a representative of the creator.

Thus the image story continues at another level. Those images I spoke of influenced our perception of reality as I descriced above. Now I speak of images being living and responsible beings. The image human being is not only representing God or the divine, but is a counterpart of of it.

Now the image case has come to the point of twofold challenges. First, there is a challenge of understanding reality while encountering images. An image is not the real reality.

Second, in understanding, that we as human beings are ourselves images, leads us to the challenge lookin, which reality we represent behind our "image reality". This is the reality of connectness and all is part of a big oneness. And even language is referring to such insight.

There is a connection between mother(lat. mater), matter and matrix. Matter is the substance, of which all physicality is made of. Matrix (lat. womb) is the web, where all that is comes from. And mater (mother) is the divine love, which gives birth to all that is supposed to appear thus forming reality. And this divine reality is representing itself in images, which are humans, but more deeply all that is as being under beings.

And while living images are beings under image reality and at the same time representatives of a divine reality, they are creation and creator at the same time. They walk between different realities. They are real and not real. They operate between actuality and possibility. They live manyfold lives at the same time. They are honored with excitement. Such is humanity.

And the only honest prayer is without doubt: thankfulness despite such being appears once in a while a big mess.

Image reality, what else...



What a pile of poorly translated, bullshit, psychobabble navel-gazing. Useless. Pointless.


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 Post subject: Re: Imago Dei - Image of God
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:15 pm 
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You are right.

Sock, here is a nice movie for you.

http://www.iwannawatch.net/2011/06/antonias-line-1995/

I tried to call you and ended up at an answering mashine...

Try it this evening again..

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 Post subject: Re: Imago Dei - Image of God
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tertiusgaudens wrote:
You are right.

Sock, here is a nice movie for you.

http://www.iwannawatch.net/2011/06/antonias-line-1995/

I tried to call you and ended up at an answering mashine...

Try it this evening again..




Ohhh! I have a new phone number!

Let me mail it to you...

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 Post subject: Re: Imago Dei - Image of God
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:23 pm 
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tertiusgaudens wrote:
"And the only honest prayer is without doubt: thankfulness despite such being appears once in a while a big mess."


Great read TG, specially the quoted above, which I reply with another quotation, not from mine as you certainly know...

"Ingratitude is the essence of vileness. "

:cheers:

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 Post subject: Re: Imago Dei - Image of God
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99socks wrote:
Wasn't that the point of Jesus... to be both real and unreal, creator and created, actual and possible... To show us, not our opposing nature from God and to drive us to the opposite extreme in the weakness of humanity to counterbalance Him and His divinity... but to bridge the gap between what is literal and what is seen, and what is not... And to validate a middle ground?


Not just Jesus..the whole bible was put together in that manner. Thats why for every point made in the bible..theres a contradiction there as well

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What a pile of poorly translated, bullshit, psychobabble navel-gazing. Useless. Pointless.


Exactly what your comment is, you piece of shit...A huge psychobabble crap, just like all the others!!!

Where are your own threads, 'gonzo'?! Well...Allow me to explain; You are too afraid to be ridiculed, which makes you eager in trying to be ridiculing others first, whenever/whatever happens to have an opportunity, according to your own OCD based standard, created to compensate all the ridiculing you suffered throughout this useless waste you call existence! So, do this civilization a favor and hang yourself, and this ugly face alongside!!! :flop:

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99socks wrote:
Wasn't that the point of Jesus... to be both real and unreal, creator and created, actual and possible... To show us, not our opposing nature from God and to drive us to the opposite extreme in the weakness of humanity to counterbalance Him and His divinity... but to bridge the gap between what is literal and what is seen, and what is not... And to validate a middle ground?


Which Michelangelo managed to Ilustrate in a single painting, everything one must do is to take a closer look :look: ....

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99socks wrote:
Wasn't that the point of Jesus... to be both real and unreal, creator and created, actual and possible... To show us, not our opposing nature from God and to drive us to the opposite extreme in the weakness of humanity to counterbalance Him and His divinity... but to bridge the gap between what is literal and what is seen, and what is not... And to validate a middle ground?


Yes, but the main point of Jesus was to show mankind forgiveness and the nature of God.

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