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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 6:18 pm » by Phaeton


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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 6:24 pm » by Mrmcnuggets


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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 9:21 pm » by Phaeton


FAIL: 'The 53 Percenters'; "move along, nothing to see here.. pay your gddmn taxes, if we do that everything will be allright. Youre wrong protesting a criminal - unconstitutional - situation, how dare you threaten all I have worked for, the nice comfy posiution I have managed to achieve for myself"

Cant believe these people.. Besides the utterly misplaced response against a movement that wants to finally act against a criminal system..[FED] This arrogant 'Im one of the few who is paying taxes' statement coming from these guys (implying almost half of the American population doesnt pay taxes) is a dire misrepresentation of reality. Tendentious, I think is the word here. Arrogant, tendentious and misinformed [or just egotistical; as long as theyre one of the few percent who has all it needs - fuck the rest, 'they need to try harder'].


Conservative '53 Percenters' Attack Occupy Wall Street Movement

The slogan doesn't exactly sing: "We are the 53 percent!" But this new campaign, a conservative answer to Occupy Wall Street, has some verve. The 53 Percenters are responding to We Are the 99 Percent, an inequality-focused online Tumblr designed to shame -- or at least point out that -- the top 1 percent of earners are taking bigger and bigger pieces of the pie.

The 53 percent say everyone should stop moaning, quit pointing fingers at Wall Street, and pay their damn taxes. (The name refers to the fact that only 53 percent of households pay federal income tax these days.) The brainchild of Erick Erickson of RedState.org, the 53 Tumblr features comments like: "I don’t blame Wall Street. Suck it up you whiners. I am the 53 percent subsidizing you so you can hang out on Wall Street and complain." (That’s from Erickson’s inaugural post, by the way.)

Rhetorical fervor aside, the 53 Percent campaign does raise an interesting question: What is going on with that other 47 percent? Why are so few people paying income taxes? For the answer to that question, we turn to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, which released a study on the subject this July. (The TPC also put out the initial report with the 53 percent number.)

The short answer is: deductions and poverty. About half of households within that 47 percent do not end up paying federal income tax because they qualify for enough breaks to cancel their tax obligations out. Of that group, 44 percent are claiming tax benefits for the elderly, like an exemption for Social Security payments. And 30.4 percent are claiming credits for "children and the working poor," like the child-care tax credit. The remainder get breaks for investment income, spending on education, itemized deductions, and a mish-mash of other things. When combined, it's all enough to cancel out their income tax requirements.

In short, it is not that they are not paying their taxes. It is that the country's tax structure lets them off the hook. Indeed, you can draw a straight line between the Bush tax cuts and the growing number of households exempted from income tax. For instance, the 2001 cuts, extended under the Obama administration, doubled the child tax credit from $500 to $1,000 and expanded eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit among married taxpayers. Additionally, the Bush tax cuts lowered income taxes in every bracket, making it easier for a household's liability to get fully offset by deductions and credits. And on top of all that, the stimulus bill introduced a host of further tax cuts.

That covers about half of the households that don't pay any federal taxes. The other half of households are just too poor to pay them. The Tax Policy Center provides a handy example: A couple with two children earning less than $26,400 per year pays no income tax if it takes standard deductions and common exemptions, for instance. "The basic structure of the income tax simply exempts subsistence levels of income from tax," TPC's Roberton Williams writes.

That pool of too-poor households has grown much bigger because of the recession and its aftermath: Average incomes have kept on declining even though the recession has officially ended, and millions of households have lost one or both of their wage-earners. Households are earning about 10 percent less than they did in 2007. About 12 percent of families live in poverty. That means a lot of folks simply aren't eligible for income tax.

So what of the claim that the 53 percent are subsidizing the 99 percent? Well, just because 47 percent of households do not pay federal income tax does not mean that they do not pay any federal taxes. Indeed, almost everyone pays some: There are federal taxes for Social Security and Medicare, on gas, alcohol, and cigarettes. Plus, there are also state and local taxes, and property taxes. You'd have to be freegan to escape paying any tax at all.

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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 9:30 pm » by Poooooot


phaeton wrote:Cant believe these people.. Besides the utterly misplaced response against a movement that wants to finally act against a criminal system..[FED] This arrogant 'Im one of the few who is paying taxes' statement coming from these guys (implying almost half of the American population doesnt pay taxes) is a dire misrepresentation of reality. Tendentious, I think is the word here. Arrogant, tendentious and misinformed [or just egotistical; as long as theyre one of the few percent who has all it needs - fuck the rest, 'they need to try harder'].


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I agree 100%.

My family paid $7500 in Federal Income Taxes last year. That is because we made about $57,000. And I am the 99%.

Back when I was a single mom, going to college and working part time, I didn't pay a dime in income taxes. And thank God I didn't have to, because I could barely afford to feed my child as it was.

Some people are fucking arrogant assholes that only think about themselves and their current situation.
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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 9:39 pm » by Mydogma


yep, sad people want to brag about being in the 53 percent...actually thinking that supporting the old broken corrupt system will save their bacon...Im in the 53, but i tell you i know Im in the 99 too.
stating you are in the 53 makes you a self righteous coward, not seeing beyond your nose and blaming the jobless for having no job??? aaa ddaaahh do you think the trillions given to banker buddies was good for your children? hmmm that could have built a lot of schools, roads, hospitals just to name a few...but dont listen to me mr.53ers... keep cheering your masters on...or you could be honorable and stand up for the poor...but i wont hold my breath...
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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 10:01 pm » by Phaeton


Im in the 53, but i tell you i know Im in the 99 too.
Stating you are in the 53 makes you a self righteous coward, not seeing beyond your nose and blaming the jobless for having no job


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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 10:10 pm » by Rydher


Yes, everyone that actually pays taxes is in full support of the current system.

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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 10:26 pm » by Boondox681


maybe one of your own can get through to you
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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 11:10 pm » by Phaeton


Typical response..

On both accounts.

So how do you both feel about the Federal Reserve?

Show me some 'facts and logic'.. Im curious.
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PostWed Oct 12, 2011 11:13 pm » by Rydher


Seriously Phaeton, this isn't difficult to grasp. The discussion/argument isn't what the problem is. It's how to fix it.

You already know the answer to your question.


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