In 1492, the natives discovered they were Indians...

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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 4:04 pm » by Iamthatiam


"In 1492, the natives discovered they were indians, discovered they lived in America, discovered they were naked, discovered that the Sin existed, discovered they owed allegiance to a King and Kingdom from another world and a God from another sky, and that this God had invented the guilty and the dress, and had sent to be burnt alive who worships the Sun the Moon the Earth and the Rain that wets it." --- Eduardo Galeano

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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 5:01 pm » by CaptainRutland


Such depth can exist in a singular paragraph of well chosen words, presented simple and plain, questions asked and statements made. Yet, behind and contained in such, are more questions deserving answers which would encompass centuries of books, libraries of films and halls of records.

By the very nature of asking, the said paragraph calls and demands explanation, the words have power, clear and seen, there is ‘iron’ contained in this mournful asking, simple and said with sadness or guilt, but words said well and measured fully.

A simple paragraph that recorded the demise of a people, the ending of life ways, the dreadful imposition of dogma, and the violent fatalities of the unconverted. Adam was driven from his ‘Eden’ by flaming sword and with knees bent, watched as his spirits of faith and life dissolved, but they only hid.

Resurrected by future generations, Phoenix’s from the ashes of misguided or greedy or ignorant men.

Such is the power of words. For good or bad.


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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 5:08 pm » by domdabears


Blame it on the Spanish people.

Then the English.

Then the French.
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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 5:40 pm » by Fatdogmendoza


Domdabears wrote:Blame it on the Spanish people.

Then the English.

Then the French.



But in reality, we should.......




















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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 8:31 pm » by Jet17


Do people forget that the norse, and other tribes of asians and yes even europeans settled america long before indians inherited it?

lest we forget that once the shores were breached the indians thought of us as gods and invited us to use their land in exchange for goods, educations and conversation?

do we forget that all was fine until both elements of evil within cultures had a problem with each other? and decided to see who owned what?

do we forget that Indians warred with each other, raped their own kind, enslaved other indian tribes?

do most forget that indians said the land belonged to no one in the first place, but yet when others came it was their land?

do people know that once land was being fought over, just like indians fought for land with their own people, that Indians started buying deeds to land?

personally I am tired of being blamed for taking indians land when the above examples clearly demonstrate why we shouldnt be forced to be looked at as evil.

if europeans were so evil, why do modern day latinos and indians use our language over their own? why do the spanish use a language that isnt theirs?

if keeping the spirit of your honor is important that is one thing, however tossing blame about without all the facts is what lead to this blame in the first place.

truth is, no one owned this land, it was occupied several times over by many different people.
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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 8:34 pm » by 99socks


Jet17 wrote:
truth is, no one owned this land, it was occupied several times over by many different people.



As every other piece of land on the surface of the earth....
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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 8:40 pm » by Thor


99socks wrote:
Jet17 wrote:
truth is, no one owned this land, it was occupied several times over by many different people.



As every other piece of land on the surface of the earth....


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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 8:41 pm » by Rydher


99socks wrote:
Jet17 wrote:
truth is, no one owned this land, it was occupied several times over by many different people.



As every other piece of land on the surface of the earth....


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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 9:23 pm » by Jet17


99socks wrote:
Jet17 wrote:
truth is, no one owned this land, it was occupied several times over by many different people.



As every other piece of land on the surface of the earth....


so very true.

which begs the question, are we evil for enlightening others to the ways of the world? or are we good for showing them different ways of life? despite the genocide which happens everywhere, I do wonder who else would have fought for these lands.

they are lucky mongolians didnt set sail for these shores, there would be none left by the time the mongolians were done.
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PostSun Jul 01, 2012 9:29 pm » by 2020


Jet17 wrote:Do people forget that the norse, and other tribes of asians and yes even europeans settled america long before indians inherited it?


So right, the Paraguayans and Argentinians still drink Mate (a very nice tea) out of Horns, i once asked why it was so and one guy said that it came from the Vikings, that in itself makes Columbus a gatecrasher.

Nice one jet. :flop:
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