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 Post subject: Re: Iran threatens action on Feb 11th
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:53 pm 


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OK, then what you said doesn't make a lick of sense.

At....all.


1. SA 300 Missile can not be shot down according to you.

my answer: yes they can be shot down.

2. China has to legally fulfill there contract to stand up and fight for Iran.

My Answer: the British influence in China is greater than that of Iran, so the Invasion of Iran would more than likely not happen with the help of China due to the brotherhood of Britian influence in China vs going against America for a "contract"

yes it does make sense. doesn't matter if it doesn't go with your original post, I was merely commenting on the "facts" of your last response.

It is you that thinks China and Iran are getting closer based on a business contract.


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 Post subject: Re: Iran threatens action on Feb 11th
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:25 am 
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Yes because in the real world..investors to the sum
of 60-100 billion dollars generally like to protect their investments.
And unless Britain just agreed to replace the Chinese losses,
then theres not a shit ton they could do about China's preferred response.

No more than Japan could stop us from living up to OUR formal protection orders with Taiwan, which have been stated over and over again, to be honored in case China attacks taiwan.

Its a principle that's been in effect on the planet
since the first monkey clubbed his cousin for taking his bannana.

Now its not my fault if that bit of common sense escapes your contrarian sensibilities, but it really is how shit works out there...

Never said they cant be shot down, but they are emplaced as air defenses, and israel cant strike ALL of them, because their fighters don't have the range to fly that far, and then run around the desert hunting sam sites. UNLESS they launch from Iraq...or used tankers..which they would have to do.

They only reason they made it to Osirak was that they weren't facing any serious challenges in the air.

To get there, they would have to sneak across jordan, and across iraq, and they would need refueling tankers which are super easy prey to the Multiple battalions of advanced s300 Iran has ordered, if indeed they are delivered on time.

The tankers would be like shooting ducks in a barrel with the s300s,
and they could not mount enough Fighter jets to take them all out.
They would have to sneak OVER Jordan, and past the Turks and the Syrians who also have s300s.

"…Iran has built a dense aerial-defense system that will make it hard for Israeli planes to reach their targets unscathed. Among other things, the Iranians have deployed batteries of Hawk, SA-5 and SA-2 surface-to-air missiles, plus they have SA-7, SA-15, Rapier, Crotale and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. Furthermore, 1,700 anti-aircraft guns protect the nuclear facilities – not to mention the 158 combat aircraft that might take part in defending Iran’s skies. Most of those planes are outdated, but they may be scrambled to intercept the IAF, which will thus have to use part of its strike force to deal with the situation.

…All these obstacles are nothing compared to the S-300V (SA-12 Giant) anti-aircraft defense system, which…Russia may have secretly supplied to Iran recently…The Russian system is so sophisticated and tamper-proof that the aircraft attrition rates could reach 20-30 percent: In other words, out of a strike force of 90 aircraft, 20 to 25 would be downed. This, the authors say, is “a loss Israel would hardly accept in paying.”" -Anthony Cordesman


And those attrition rates are not even considering the bulk of their Air defenses.
That is JUST for the S300vs.

Hezbollah launched 4000 rockets at Isreal and they were simply not able to do anything about them, it paralyzed the country for a month...so knocking one or two missiles down out of the multiple batallions that are likely to be deployed wouldnt mean a thing to the iranians.

Anyhow, you've managed to derail the intent of the thread with an entirely pointless interjection, so my responses end here...

I SIMPLY mentioned that Iran was blustering again, nothing more nothing less.
If you need to make it about more than that, feel free to continue by yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: Iran threatens action on Feb 11th
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:04 am 
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Yes because in the real world..investors to the sum
of 60-100 billion dollars generally like to protect their investments.
And unless Britain just agreed to replace the Chinese losses,
then theres not a shit ton they could do about China's preferred response.

No more than Japan could stop us from living up to OUR formal protection orders with Taiwan, which have been stated over and over again, to be honored in case China attacks taiwan.

Its a principle that's been in effect on the planet
since the first monkey clubbed his cousin for taking his bannana.

Now its not my fault if that bit of common sense escapes your contrarian sensibilities, but it really is how shit works out there...

Never said they cant be shot down, but they are emplaced as air defenses, and israel cant strike ALL of them, because their fighters don't have the range to fly that far, and then run around the desert hunting sam sites. UNLESS they launch from Iraq...or used tankers..which they would have to do.

They only reason they made it to Osirak was that they weren't facing any serious challenges in the air.

To get there, they would have to sneak across jordan, and across iraq, and they would need refueling tankers which are super easy prey to the Multiple battalions of advanced s300 Iran has ordered, if indeed they are delivered on time.

The tankers would be like shooting ducks in a barrel with the s300s,
and they could not mount enough Fighter jets to take them all out.
They would have to sneak OVER Jordan, and past the Turks and the Syrians who also have s300s.

"…Iran has built a dense aerial-defense system that will make it hard for Israeli planes to reach their targets unscathed. Among other things, the Iranians have deployed batteries of Hawk, SA-5 and SA-2 surface-to-air missiles, plus they have SA-7, SA-15, Rapier, Crotale and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. Furthermore, 1,700 anti-aircraft guns protect the nuclear facilities – not to mention the 158 combat aircraft that might take part in defending Iran’s skies. Most of those planes are outdated, but they may be scrambled to intercept the IAF, which will thus have to use part of its strike force to deal with the situation.

…All these obstacles are nothing compared to the S-300V (SA-12 Giant) anti-aircraft defense system, which…Russia may have secretly supplied to Iran recently…The Russian system is so sophisticated and tamper-proof that the aircraft attrition rates could reach 20-30 percent: In other words, out of a strike force of 90 aircraft, 20 to 25 would be downed. This, the authors say, is “a loss Israel would hardly accept in paying.”" -Anthony Cordesman


And those attrition rates are not even considering the bulk of their Air defenses.
That is JUST for the S300vs.

Hezbollah launched 4000 rockets at Isreal and they were simply not able to do anything about them, it paralyzed the country for a month...so knocking one or two missiles down out of the multiple batallions that are likely to be deployed wouldnt mean a thing to the iranians.

Anyhow, you've managed to derail the intent of the thread with an entirely pointless interjection, so my responses end here...

I SIMPLY mentioned that Iran was blustering again, nothing more nothing less.
If you need to make it about more than that, feel free to continue by yourself.



once again lowsix, cold war syndrome

contracts = legitimacy in your eyes..

lowsix said:
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Never said they cant be shot down


but lowsix said earlier:
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And I have a feeling that Concrete is the one that nailed it.
Likely to announce the Delivery of the SA 300's.
(which we cannot defeat, nor can the isrealis)


so you lied there lowsix.

America along with their allies has the biggest arsenal on the face of the planet, but we are supposed to be worried about the SA 300s ( which you said we can't shoot down, then said we could as I demonstrated above) and a few other missiles that IRAN would have? OK that makes a lot of sense ( just to clarify from this last post)

The article you posted (about the SA 300) is typical fear mongering, yes they have all this equipment but Israel and America are just backing each other for the hell of it, and they also fight with sticks and stones.... not to mention that is an opinion of one man, not actual evidence of what arsenal they do have, Which if I might add we don't know what they have hence, DOES IRAN HAVE NUKES!?!?!?!?!

and just so you don't slander and plagiarize my post to fit with your motives..

Lowsix said:
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Anyhow, you've managed to derail the intent of the thread with an entirely pointless interjection, so my responses end here...


1. I never said that Iran "would" attack, you were the one posting a message from the horses mouth ( you have a thing with horses), with a fear campaign and stating "I don't know what he is thinking." but still continuing with the article and addressing questions implicating that they would attack, and if they did here is possibly how it would be ( along with the few other comments that you addressed and agreed with HENCE the SA 300s that you lied about)

2. if you do remember right I clearly 100% fool proof said I was addressing your comment, not your topic or other peoples posts here is the proof against your lie for that one as well:

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Exactly, and that is why I was commenting on what you said alone.


said alone means what you said by your own opinion... DUH!!! that does not include an article or testament of a raving lunatic.

Low Six Said:
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I SIMPLY mentioned that Iran was blustering again, nothing more nothing less.
If you need to make it about more than that, feel free to continue by yourself.


1. they were just blustering nothing more nothing less? so you were not just discussing how and where they would attack and what policies and contracts would be voided or held accountable? or how if they shot a missile that can be shot down they wouldn't be able to shoot it down just because lowsix said so?


2. I never said anything about misleading or going off subject about anything if you want to know what I said before read it and again and understand. I realize this is a typical lowsix tactic to put words in other peoples mouth, or discredit them to make you seem like the victim, but you are lying again.

Circular Logic lowsix..


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 Post subject: Re: Iran threatens action on Feb 11th
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you just wasted a ton of time.

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 Post subject: Re: Iran threatens action on Feb 11th
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:15 am 
LowSix wrote:
you just wasted a ton of time.


no lowsix you wasted a bunch of time getting yourself out of a lying hole that YOU made yourself....

better luck next time, did you already forget what happens when you fabricate things in your general direction?


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 Post subject: Re: Iran threatens action on Feb 11th
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You are certainly on a tear today young man.
What crawled up your ass?

I made a VERY simple post..
Relating what he said. Nothing more, nothing less...and no analysis.

Then we speculated on what the announcement might be..

Then i answered sockpuppets question about China/iran Ties.

Then you got your interweb fightin boots on to make a mountain out of a molehill and write a fucking novel to (like a bazillion baboons before you) somehow catch me out on some perceived inconsistency, when there wasnt any.

Drink a beer and get off my back.

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 Post subject: Re: Iran threatens action on Feb 11th
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:43 am 
LowSix wrote:
You are certainly on a tear today young man.
What crawled up your ass?

I made a VERY simple post..
Relating what he said. Nothing more, nothing less...and no analysis.

Then we speculated on what the announcement might be..

Then i answered sockpuppets question about China/iran Ties.

Then you got your interweb fightin boots on to make a mountain out of a molehill and write a fucking novel to (like a bazillion baboons before you) somehow catch me out on some perceived inconsistency, when there wasnt any.

Drink a beer and get off my back.


no fighting involved at all just pointing out inaccuracies, if I do remember right we are supposed to do that man.

I don't drink otherwise I would.

and there was a few inconsistencies


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 Post subject: Re: Iran threatens action on Feb 11th
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:47 am 
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There isn't any love between China and Britain - at all. It's a clash of ideologies. Unfortunately, the communists are able to hold the the pink slip to all our debt, yet they are only able to do that by shitting on human rights.

If there is any love for western capitalism inside China - it's because, like pussies we have outsourced our entire manufacturing base to them, and other countries they are capable of buying a strangle hold on - all because we let them - for the sake of keeping prices down - for the sake of WalMart!

The Chinese government pictures themselves sitting in a chair holding their own big hard dick in their hand, and they speculated they can continue to move America into a python suffocation hold - it's worked - because of our own dumb fucking politicians. When it comes down to time to collect - it's a different story.

Quick interjection - I don't know where the hell I'm going with this.

Oh yea - Iran!

They will get a nuke - that is what I presume the announcement will be.

Obama will do nothing from keeping Iran from getting that nuke - but he's a pussy. Sanctions!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

We should have taken out the reactors months or years ago.

And now that Iran has them - SURPRISE!!!!! Big Fucking surprise - every other unstable as hell middle east country will want them too.

So - don't talk too loosely about a "cold war" mentality Jet - as soon as Iran comes out with it - it's on again. With a bunch of fucking homicidal crazy fucks that are willing to to pack one in their crotch if they can blow up children at Disney World - because mice are evil satanic vermin.

Should have bombed Iran last year. Bombed the FUCK out of their shit.

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Spock just edited this remark he wrote-Should have bombed Iran last year. Bombed the FUCK out of them-


yes Zaff, because I knew it wasn't the right joice of words. I figured someone like you would revel in the idea that I was insinuating we should have bombed their population, but that wasn't what I meant so I changed it. Plus I was typing on my cell phone.

I am of the firm belief we should have taken out Iran's reactors long ago. When it comes to indiscrimiate killing of civilians in civilian centers of population, that's the new Muslim card.

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Should have bombed Iran last year. Bombed the FUCK out of them.

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What a lame sad fucker you are with that statement,shame on you.Showing your true colours now.



Yea - My true colors are that Iran should have never been permitted to get this far with a nuke capability. You must love the ultimate consequence of a nuclear jihad - what a lame fucker you are - showing your true colors.

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