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Is Lucifer the "Good Guy"?

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PostFri Jul 04, 2014 8:19 pm » by Fatdogmendoza ... e-good-guy

Whats your opinion on this subject matter..

This is coming from a neutral and logical standpoint. Since about 99% of you know the story of God, The Almighty, the omnipresent, king of kings, god of gods, the I Am, "Perfect", Alpha and Omega, and blah blah blah. Today, I have decided to do the unthinkable. I have decided to discuss the side of Lucifer, BUT from evidence from The Holy Bible. The one who was deemed the betrayer, the adversary, the deceiver, and blah blah blah.

Who is Lucifer? Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Anointed means to be set apart for Gods Divine purpose. It also means "bestowal of Gods divine favor", and "appointment to a special place or function. God had given Lucifer a certain amount of power and authority. he basically was his right hand man. But Lucifer basically perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God... rather than "just" being the Angel of God. Which ended up being the reason of him being called the name Satan the betrayer, the adversary, the "serpent".

But it made me think. Something had to cause this rebellion and it wasn't like he was the only one. remember 1/3 of the angels in heaven went with him. What about the other 2/3 of the angels? Did they ALL oppose against Lucifer? Or was it that they were too afraid to say anything also?

Now, from a perspective of modern morality, after reading the bible.... Lucifer seems to me to be considered a humanitarian. I mean think about it...He sacrificed EVERYTHING to oppose an all powerful dictator. Really? How ballsy do you have to be to challenge God, right to his face? Who then gets the support of 1/3 of the angels in Heaven who believed in your idea, gets thrown out of Heaven to live on Earth and convinces Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, granting humanity free will and intelligence, whereas God would have had us remain ignorant animals. This act is also directly responsible for everyone who is alive today (according to the bible), because had this not happened, Adam and Eve would have remained "innocent" and never had kids.

Honestly, reading in Genesis, again not on either side, but God had indeed lied to Adam and Eve concerning the fruit or gift as I would like to call it.

-And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”-

When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, did they “surely die” “in the day”? Adam not only didn’t die that day, or the next, but lived for a total of 930 years, or roughly 340,000 days.
The "serpent" makes three “separate” claims:
1. They will not die of eating the fruit.
2. Their eyes “will be opened.”
3. They will be like God, in knowing good and evil.

We’ve established that #1 was true. Adam and Eve survived that day, and many more.
Regarding #2, upon eating the fruit the Bible says: “Then the eyes of both of them were opened...” #2 was true.
Regarding #3, God says this: “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.” #3 was true.

The serpent did not deceive Eve; God did.

And just to show a little more proof in that deceitful nature of His...

1 Kings 22:23
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

Lucifer stand up for his beliefs, but God wrote a book talking about all of Lucifer's wrong doings. where it seems as if it's like this: Basically, people please worship me and no homosexuals allowed, also women are way more inferior than men and should keep their mouths closed, and if any of you ever do something that goes against my rules I will kill you and/or send you to hell for all eternity, but you can't get upset with me because I "love" you all...

Lucifer it seems as if he understands human nature and doesn't judge humans for being human, he was an angel and had everything and gave it all up to enlighten the humans.

This is what God says about being human: Galatians 5:19-21

When you follow the desires of your flesh, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division,envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Lucifer translates as light bringer in Latin. But when Lucifer, (the "Light Bringer" or "knowledge bringer" taking that "light" is a synonym for knowledge) convinces mankind that they'd be better off with knowledge and free will, rather than frolicking naked in some stagnant flower garden, he's cast as the ultimate villain. Seriously, he gives us intelligence, is responsible for the human race being more than just two people, and his name means the light bearer, If we weren't told he was the bad guy, would we ever think he was?

I mean even with the murders:

God Lucifer

Estimate from Bible: 2,476,636 10

Estimate from Bible and other sources: 24,634,205 10

By the way.... It appears that Satan only killed 10 people: the seven sons and three daughters of Job. And he only does this because god allowed it as part of a bet! Technically that blood is on God’s hands for these as well...

Now looking at the evidence...who is really the bad guy?

Also...the book of's the definition.

A surprising and previously unknown fact, esp. one made in a dramatic way.
The making known of a secret or the unknown.

Long story short, at the end of the world. Lucifer will come and tell the world that He in fact is God. That's when the show stops. God comes down destroys everything and almost everyone, and There will be a war against God and the Light Bearer there will be an apocalypse or lifting of the veil. When that's all over, God brings everyone to be judged, most will not make into heaven and those who does will have their memories erased and won't feel any pain, suffering, won't know anyone and will live in complete bliss. (Which still sounds kind of like a vegetative state to me....Back to the beginning state huh?)

And before you go any further I'm not a Satanist. I'm not a Christian. I'm not an atheist either. I am not a religious person. I guess you can call me a scientist and I actually believe both science and religion are only trying to explain each other. I just look at the evidence. I try to look at both sides of the story. Analyze everything. Then I see what looks right to me. Plus, I've been looking at similar stories that predates the bible by thousands of years written on stone. They tell a more detailed version of the Genesis story.

Also question: Why didn't Lucifer tell them to eat from the Tree of Life instead of the Tree of Knowledge?

Well if you look at it, it's quite simple: Eating from the Tree of Life will have them live as immortal excuse my language "dummies" where as with the Knowledge, after years of studying, they can develop a sense of understanding and wisdom and find out the real truth.

As a person who want humans to do some critical THINKING before you believe anything, even what I have shown you today, I leave you with this...this is a quote from Buddha.
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

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PostFri Jul 04, 2014 8:58 pm » by NamelessGhoul

Teloc made a darn good thread about it years ago

your shit just opened the MSM memes

here,...feel obliged Fatdogmendoza

plenty of white-lucifer mEmEs for ya

enjoy FD



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PostSat Jul 05, 2014 12:30 am » by Fatdogmendoza

-Marduk- wrote:Teloc made a darn good thread about it years ago

your shit just opened the MSM memes

here,...feel obliged Fatdogmendoza

plenty of white-lucifer mEmEs for ya

enjoy FD




I tend to lean that way since I escaped Catholicism

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PostSat Jul 05, 2014 1:54 am » by Cosmine

Yeah! im the kind of good guy.....( insert gif of chucky...saying "youre fucked up!"....

Ill sue your ass off ...for doubting my integrity a single second.... it aint me...

Do you know lucifer's name is not metion once in the bible...for real...

The lucifer translation...for the king of babilon (in zacharia...i presume from up my head...)
Is from his nickname star of the morning... (probabely also his totem goddess was astarte...)
And not the latin word lux ifer (light bringer )....

And bla bla yakidiyak!


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PostSat Jul 05, 2014 3:24 am » by SonOfGodEternalFlame

Adam and Eve were eternal beings not knowing death. Are we eternal Beings now (NO)
Did Adam and Eve walk with God and Talk with God. What other kind of intellect do you want. There is
more information in the make up of one cell than all the computers combined. They were in the presents
of pure majesty God was with them. They were in heaven on earth. What is heaven? To be in the presence of GOD! God told them out of everything in the garden not to eat of the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden. What did Lucifer tell Eve knowing she was a eternal being and of God (good) Oh EAT OF THE FRUIT
BABY you'll be like us gods knowing Good which she already was but infecting her with evil and sin.
To have a nature contrary to righteousness and separate us from God through infected mindset.
As man fell even creation then fell with a sentence of death and destruction.

Satan comes to lie, kill, steal,and destroy
"and I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed,it shell bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel."
When Adam and Eve were vanished from the garden to till the ground and suffer and gather food and water and build shelter you know it wasn't easy like back in the garden they had it made back then. NO pain no suffering just peace!

This here is when Lucifer's plan is really seen for who he really is

Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The gods who new they were evil took women who ever they lusted after and let me tell you these angels
manifested powerful supra beings in the carnal.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

An unholy abominable creation from the dark side was unleashed upon the earth and they took the power from humanity.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The creation of these beings Nephlim had made evil smother the earth suffocating it with evil.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Lucifer pollutes the gene pool and forces Gods hand again after the garden where he caused man to fall

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

wait a minute we have a guy with perfect ties to Adam and Eve who's DNA is not altered

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

the earth was full of violence through them (NEPHLIM) God destroyed a cancer on humanity they were very
blood thirsty creatures.

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.




Many religions today expect the coming of an Avatar or Saviour. The second coming of the Christ, as the world Teacher for the age of Aquarius, is presented in this book as an imminent event, logical and practical in the continuity of divine revelation throughout the ages. The Christ belongs to all mankind; he can be known and understood as "the same great Identity in all the world religions."

2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

lucifer = con-artist

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PostSat Jul 05, 2014 9:11 am » by Mep630

more satanic fools. least worshiping god you dont have to eat shit and get sodomized by animals, but I bet you all enjoy that part.

If you help the Oppressors, eventually you and your family will be oppressed.

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PostSat Jul 05, 2014 10:38 am » by Fatdogmendoza

Mep630 wrote:more satanic fools. least worshiping god you dont have to eat shit and get sodomized by animals, but I bet you all enjoy that part.

Come on bro get involved.. you are very interesting when you do


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PostSat Jul 05, 2014 1:01 pm » by Aragajag

Lucifer for a little light bringing to some of the darker areas of the universe.
Pablo Neruda:
…and now, nothing more,
I want to be alone with my essential sea…
I don’t want to speak for a long time,
Silence! I want to learn,
I want to know if I exist.

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PostSat Jul 05, 2014 1:17 pm » by Noentry

He cant be all that bad, he did invent porn after all.
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The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority.
The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking."
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PostSat Jul 05, 2014 6:28 pm » by Harbin

Exploring gnosticism are we ?


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