is religion real?

Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:48 am » by **Lucidlemondrop**

odrama wrote:Nah. It's not real.

And life is an illusion.

Drop acid in the desert, and poke your eyes out.

(Insert Jim Morrison quote here)

Let's grab an easy one........quote/idea

Doors of perception............

Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:49 am » by **Cornbread714**

Just one more:

Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:51 am » by **Heinousone**

LowSix wrote:
heinousone wrote:By the way, I do not believe that such ways of life like Buddhism are actually "religion". Whom are they trying to control? Whom was ever harmed in the name of Buddhism? It seems more like a method of tapping into one's Spirituality and nothing more. It is more of a personal journey that each must make on their own rather then having someone else map it out for them. That is where the potential of corrupt control comes in.

Ask the Tibetan slave caste how they feel about the treatment by their enlightened "religious" leaders.

The Dalia Lama himself and his family owned the most slaves of any Lama in History at around 450. These are people with NO religious rights, no property rights, not allowed to touch the priesthood, not allowed to speak during service.

This narrow focus on Christianity is so misleading its almost not even worth adressing.

Sounds like a bunch of people who just want carte blanche to act however they want, do whatever they want, all without any inconvenient concept of responsibility to be had for negative actions..as if the sense of "self regulation" were enough...its not.

And the talk of assigning almost singular blame to Christianity is equally RI-FUCKING-DICULOUS.

Every system on the planet can practically be assignedequal blame forsheer numbers of people tortured, killed, or oppressed..so putting it all on ONE religion is just stupid.

Extreme versions of formal Atheism have killed FAR more,
than all the religions combined. The attempt to "stamp OUT" religion has been a far more sinister culprit than the religions themselves..all fed and provoked by the nonsensical arguments put forward JUST like this one, to JUSTIFY stamping out religion....all in the name of total control..

See Stalin and Mao for corrective reading if you doubt me..

So the complete absence of these influences in the comparative humanity damage totals rendered shows me that the argument about the search for "carte blanche" holds far more water than the "religion is control" argument..

And those comments were 10000000% on topic...by they way.

Ahh, did not know that about those buddhists. That is a shame.

My focus on christianity was because of its overwhelming popularity in the west (where I live) compared to other religions. My focus though was on religions, especially the "holy trinity" of judaism, christianity, and islam. I am sorry if my opinion has offended you as it seems you are a Christian(?) and it has. My parents are both devout Christians and they are very good folk just as many Christians are. I just don't think they are focused on living like Christ and instead their main focus is "not going to hell".

Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:00 am » by **Flecktarn**

im with jet and corns cats on this one,,,,RELIGION SUCKS :banana:

Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:03 am » by **Lucidlemondrop**

The original question........posed as the topic being.......

"Is Religion Real"

The answer is yes.........It exists in the minds of many.......

What is real? Is it based on necessary concepts?

Depends on the intent and or agenda, doesn't it?

Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:07 am » by **Lowsix**

heinousone wrote:Ahh, did not know that about those buddhists. That is a shame.

My focus on christianity was because of its overwhelming popularity in the west (where I live) compared to other religions. My focus though was on religions, especially the "holy trinity" of judaism, christianity, and islam. I am sorry if my opinion has offended you as it seems you are a Christian(?) and it has. My parents are both devout Christians and they are very good folk just as many Christians are. I just don't think they are focused on living like Christ and instead their main focus is "not going to hell".

Nono man all good conversation, didnt offend me.
While my defenses on the topic really do sound like they are are defense of Christianity, in actuality, they are less that, than a counter to the TYPES of arguments made against it.

(of course i understand most of the objections people have to christianity..how could i pretend that argument doesnt have SOME merit)

its just that i disagree with the main premises of the main body of arguments against it.

Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:22 am » by **Heinousone**

LowSix wrote:
Nono man all good conversation, didnt offend me.
While my defenses on the topic really do sound like they are are defense of Christianity, in actuality, they are less that, than a counter to the TYPES of arguments made against it.

(of course i understand most of the objections people have to christianity..how could i pretend that argument doesnt have SOME merit)

its just that i disagree with the main premises of the main body of arguments against it.

Its just that the size of the populations that claim membership to these religions has to give credit to the fear based ideology of the dogma just as much if not more so then to the ability to make someone a better person. To me that is a very dangerous thing. Controlling through fear is a very powerful tool. It is also inherently about belittling human beings to the point of becoming dependent. Yet another convenient side effect.

Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:01 am » by **Strider2**

Is religion real?

Hmmm I can drive down the street and see churches, and the odd mosque or temple...

I'm sure if I banged my head against them :bang;

then yep I'd say "that's real !"

But your question seems to be asking whether religions themselves are for real. To that there is only one answer: that is: it's up to you isn't it? (that and a whole lot of other things btw)