Is Self Reliance The Answer?

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PostSun Mar 15, 2009 8:10 pm » by Towelie


Our civilisation is amazing, its just all the rediculous laws that are tearing us appart not our way of life, Jayhad hemp its a perfect example look at how long people have been using it and for all the different things - you know if youve a bad cut or something crush up a few leaves an bandage them onto the wound itll heal in half the time, hemp has 1000s of uses its been used for 1000s of yrs but some douchebag decided for all of us that we cant use the stuff anymore.
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PostMon Mar 23, 2009 3:23 am » by Thegreatmoe


Well, there are only a few who truly understand the concept of self reliance, freedom, and etc. Most people are stupid, they do not think outside the box, they would rather arrive home and drink a beer. Self Reliance is the answer, but only few would be willing to do it, people have become dependent upon technology, selfish, or do not even understand why we are doing this. Maybe if we were in the 60s-70s it would work, but we are too deep now. The only way I find it is to try and open people's mind to the reality of their life. We can't give up.

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PostMon Mar 23, 2009 12:50 pm » by Mihalj


Civilizations come and go as no doubt ours will. However self relience in total or partial form is definetly the answer. We may not be able to generate electricity constantly and manufacture fuel on any grand scale, but we can ride a push bike, we can have three to six months of food storage, we can have a veggie patch or even pots with some lettuce legumes and tomatoes growing, we can store some freeze dried nuts etc. But self relience is also to do with educating ourselves and families, and being partly prepared for any disaster. What would happen if the bird flue hits tomorow, will we starve in our houses or dehydrate and die. Simple meals with flour, rice etc can keep us alive, what about first aid are we parepared and do we have the skills to help ourselves and others in need, do we have some form of education that we can if needed educate and pass on skills to others.
" Be prepared".
It is a total waste of time sprooking all the doomsday scenarios but doing nothing about it. If we genuinly beleive that something will happen in 2012, the bird flu, allien invasion or any other such development, then we will prepare. We dont have to go crazy but study and learn and do practical things, remeber that nothing speakes louder than an empty belly.
But if you dont realy beleive but sprook that you do, well you may not last.
Our family is as best prepared as it can be at this point in time, but we are constantly working on improving.
How will we cook basic meals, maintain personal hygiene and sanitation, how will we communicate, what can and will we eat.
The answers are simple if a little imagination is applied, yes self relience is the answer.
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PostMon Mar 23, 2009 9:10 pm » by Towelie


thegreatmoe wrote:Well, there are only a few who truly understand the concept of self reliance, freedom, and etc. Most people are stupid, they do not think outside the box, they would rather arrive home and drink a beer. Self Reliance is the answer, but only few would be willing to do it, people have become dependent upon technology, selfish, or do not even understand why we are doing this. Maybe if we were in the 60s-70s it would work, but we are too deep now. The only way I find it is to try and open people's mind to the reality of their life. We can't give up.



I couldnt disagree more, you lump the words self reliance and freedom together as if you need one for the other, then say people are stupid and dont think outside of the box - why is this? because not everyone wants to have to farm.
Look at how slowly things progressed before farming etc was taken out of the hands of the majority, then suddenly almost imediatley things pick up inventions start popping up everywhere, why was this? because people had time to develop things instead of having to spend all day farming or tending to animals.
I wonder how much wouldve been accomplished by Newton if he had to spend his time gardening and growing his veg.
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PostMon Mar 23, 2009 9:51 pm » by Cornbread714


I'm beginning to feel that the best chance of personal survival, no matter how things play out from here, will be available to those who can feed themselves and exist outside of the grid.
Not all of us have ready access to the land and natural resources necessary, not to mention the fact that few of us have the knowledge to survive long-term even if those resources were available.
If there were a disaster that knocked out the economy and power grid, could you survive?

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PostMon Mar 23, 2009 11:15 pm » by Thegreatmoe


Just to make sure I know what you are saying, you're saying that people are not stupid because they decided one day to make an invention that would "Benefit" mankind and that this is what makes them intelligent? Is that what you're saying or did I interpret it wrong?

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PostMon Mar 23, 2009 11:30 pm » by Towelie


How did you manage to come up with that, from what i wrote?
I never said that one day they decided to make an invention that would "Benefit" mankind,
I actualy said - Look at how slowly things progressed before farming etc was taken out of the hands of the majority, then suddenly almost imediatley things pick up inventions start popping up everywhere, why was this? because people had time to develop things instead of having to spend all day farming or tending to animals.
Although yes im pretty sure a lot did decide to make inventions to benefit mankind, this isnt what i said.
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PostMon Mar 23, 2009 11:53 pm » by Thegreatmoe


Okay, since people no longer had to farm and etc, they had more time to think,and etc. That's what you're saying?

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PostTue Mar 24, 2009 12:00 am » by Towelie


Ok ill try and spell it out more thoroughly for you.
Yes basicaly when people had more time on there hands, it allowed them more time to invent etc. If you look at history its easy to see it, once civilisation developed to the point that scientists etc could spend all there time working on whatever puzzle they were working on progress speeded up, this is because they could spend the time on inventing etc that wouldve otherwise been spent on farming.
If people are able to specialise in something and give all there time to that one thing the progress advances faster, this is a simple premise that even the Babylonians and Myans understood.
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PostTue Mar 24, 2009 12:32 am » by Cornbread714


towelie wrote:Ok ill try and spell it out more thoroughly for you.
Yes basicaly when people had more time on there hands, it allowed them more time to invent etc. If you look at history its easy to see it, once civilisation developed to the point that scientists etc could spend all there time working on whatever puzzle they were working on progress speeded up, this is because they could spend the time on inventing etc that wouldve otherwise been spent on farming.
If people are able to specialise in something and give all there time to that one thing the progress advances faster, this is a simple premise that even the Babylonians and Myans understood.


towelie, I respectfully disagree on several points:

1) People back then did have more time on their hands, the average hunter-gatherer spent about 20 hours a week, max, in feeding himself. They had plenty of time to contemplate the cosmos and other mysteries, and I give many "primitive" cultures credit for advanced knowledge of seen and unseen forces of Nature.

2) "Specialization" has been the downfall of modern man, in my estimation. Knowledge has been fragmented and, yes, focused in amazing and terrifying ways, but even the most revered physicist may not have a clue as to what his discoveries mean, or to what ends they might be used for.

3) The Mayans and other early civilizations seemed to have achieved a balance between philosophy and technology and agriculture, but they've all been wiped off the map since.

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