Is the Orion Conspiracy a Hoax?

[Raphael Profile]

Whether or not they were faked is irrelevant,

if they lied about everything else in the past...
why believe them now?

There are thousand of whistleblowers since bob lazar who have come forward saying that the alphabet agencies and their corporate allies have exotic technologies beyond anything we can comprehend

thousands?
why is REAL GOOD PROOF HARD TO COME BY?

of course they have technologies like HOLOGRAMS, along with manmade UFOs, both will be used to terrorize the sheeple.
FEAR
works best....BIG BRO knows that...

None of what you present means they went to the Moon, landed and came back 6 times, between 1969-72.
And since '72 when the Canadians defeated the soviets on ice, the yanks have not been beyond 300 miles of the earth's surface?


It will 40 years in 2012, since '72 that we have been fucking grounded.

WHY HAVE THERE BEEN NO MANNED MISSIONS BEYOND 300 miles since 1972?

IS SPACE TO HOSTILE FOR LIFE?



On the day of judgement....
Dinks who are on critical life support, line with with the sheeple on the right
Critical dinkers line up on the left with the goats, because goats and gods tend to climb higher.

Remeber the former head of Lockheed-Martin Ben Rich saying "..we have the technology to take E.T. home"?
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... -are-real/

YA so fucking what?
Proves nothing.
He also could have been a fucking scum bag liar to his last breath too, can we prove that?
Should we try?

This is typical double speak right here coming from another fellas who evidently is in "the witness protecting programs".....

This is taken from that site you linked.

2 : “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

3 : “We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”

That last part of the quote SOUNDS like they have still to build what they claim they can build, to do what they say they can do.

more fucking promises, promises, promises.

"Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”

It appears they are still trying to figure out where Einstein went wrong.

Let me know when you have REAL proof.
What nonsense.

[Raphael Profile]

MOON HOAX

Bill Kaysing came forward too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErOCAceU ... re=related

namaste

[Troll2rocks Profile]

every single photo is a dupe, made by the production for the short movie demo "the orion conspiracy"

[Iamcare Profile]

Raphael, you started on a tangent far away from the point of the post, and you're only going further away from it with every reply. Yes, nothing I've presented is proof of moon landing, primarily because I haven't tried to present anything as 'proof' of the moon landings, I'm just interested in whether people think the entire Orion Conspiracy is just an artistic mindwank or something deeper. So I simply raised a question without stating anything that needed proof to back it up, like this one.

If you agree there are man made UFO's, what do you beleive the propulsion systems are? Don;t you think those propulsion systems would make the problem of the Van Allen belts null and void, and if the technology has indeed been created, would it not be in the hands of the elite who would then use their agencies to fund missions into space and ultimately go to the moon using that secret space programme? I never said anything about the apollo missions being real, as I said, that is irrelevant, I'm not sure why you're focusing in on it.

I think it's fair to say that most noted Astrophysicists are clearly split between whether or not the Van Allen radiation belts constitute an impassible barrier to space travel, especially when taking into consideration the possible alternative propultion systems on offer, so please show me where your evidence is that has solved this dispute.

None of what you present means they went to the Moon, landed and came back 6 times, between 1969-72.

Agreed, none of it was supposed to

...And since '72 when the Canadians defeated the soviets on ice, the yanks have not been beyond 300 miles of the earth's surface?

no "official" manned missions. I highlighted the operative word there.

and obviously when I say thousands of whistleblowers I mean the colloquial 'many' like those involved in the disclosure project, or Bob Lazaar, Bob Dean, Lt. Phil Corso, Phil Schneider, Bill Cooper, Al Bielek, Judith Reyes, Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell (kind of), J. Allen Hynek, James Casbolt, Nick Pope, Stanton Freidman etc. etc. Im not saying all these sources are reliable and I stand behind them 100%, but their testimony is worth listening to and researching because some of it is valid. No there's no hard evidence thats why it falls into the catagory of theory. If you're waiting for hard evidence on any of this stuff you'll be waiting a long time. we're only now beginning to learn the true history of the last century.

and just a quick note, if you want to be taken seriously, avoid statements beginning with....

On the day of judgement....

if I want that kind of shit I can just go talk to the crazy homeless guy with the "End is Nigh" sign who hangs around the centre of town pissing on his own shoes.

as you said,

[The57ironman Profile]

Raphael, you started on a tangent far away from the point of the post, and you're only going further away from it with every reply. Yes, nothing I've presented is proof of moon landing, primarily because I haven't tried to present anything as 'proof' of the moon landings, I'm just interested in whether people think the entire Orion Conspiracy is just an artistic mindwank or something deeper. So I simply raised a question without stating anything that needed proof to back it up, like this one.

If you agree there are man made UFO's, what do you beleive the propulsion systems are? Don;t you think those propulsion systems would make the problem of the Van Allen belts null and void, and if the technology has indeed been created, would it not be in the hands of the elite who would then use their agencies to fund missions into space and ultimately go to the moon using that secret space programme? I never said anything about the apollo missions being real, as I said, that is irrelevant, I'm not sure why you're focusing in on it.

I think it's fair to say that most noted Astrophysicists are clearly split between whether or not the Van Allen radiation belts constitute an impassible barrier to space travel, especially when taking into consideration the possible alternative propultion systems on offer, so please show me where your evidence is that has solved this dispute.

None of what you present means they went to the Moon, landed and came back 6 times, between 1969-72.

Agreed, none of it was supposed to

...And since '72 when the Canadians defeated the soviets on ice, the yanks have not been beyond 300 miles of the earth's surface?

no "official" manned missions. I highlighted the operative word there.

and obviously when I say thousands of whistleblowers I mean the colloquial 'many' like those involved in the disclosure project, or Bob Lazaar, Bob Dean, Lt. Phil Corso, Phil Schneider, Bill Cooper, Al Bielek, Judith Reyes, Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell (kind of), J. Allen Hynek, James Casbolt, Nick Pope, Stanton Freidman etc. etc. Im not saying all these sources are reliable and I stand behind them 100%, but their testimony is worth listening to and researching because some of it is valid. No there's no hard evidence thats why it falls into the catagory of theory. If you're waiting for hard evidence on any of this stuff you'll be waiting a long time. we're only now beginning to learn the true history of the last century.

and just a quick note, if you want to be taken seriously, avoid statements beginning with....

On the day of judgement....

if I want that kind of shit I can just go talk to the crazy homeless guy with the "End is Nigh" sign who hangs around the centre of town pissing on his own shoes.

as you said,

GREAT POST .... i love this discussion.....

just don't get hung up on any personal sh*t

[Raphael Profile]

Raphael, you started on a tangent far away from the point of the post,

remind me what the point was of this post?
that ART is an effective way to entertain sheeple till the day of judgment arrives?

the title of the thread is clear.
Re: Is the Orion Conspiracy a Hoax?

YES it is
just more bullshit
and then I added the FACT that I felt the Dark Side of the Moon was so much better as hoaxes go.

and you're only going further away from it with every reply.

NO EWE are dude.
We have established ORION is a fucking HOAX.
And I have been discussing other HOAXes.
What don't you get?

Yes, nothing I've presented is proof of moon landing, primarily because I haven't tried to present anything as 'proof' of the moon landings,

you really do not need to.
I was just saying...

I'm just interested in whether people think the entire Orion Conspiracy is just an artistic mindwank or something deeper.

Of course it is deeper.
Why would it not be potentially deeper, in a multiverse/universe we have smelly onion layers?
But do you want me to take the ORION film, a manipulation of archetypes, apart frame by frame, and educate you dude?

how the mind works?
and advertising
and how to guide the sheeple?

So I simply raised a question without stating anything that needed proof to back it up, like this one.

If you agree there are man made UFO's, what do you beleive the propulsion systems are?

I do not care at this point about UFO propulsion systems.
Though I do care about how to chose the next VECTOR or direction.

I hope the mass of ignorance that attends maSS does not get to pick it.

Don;t you think those propulsion systems would make the problem of the Van Allen belts null and void,

Dude
wake up
SPACE IS FUCKING HOSTILE, more hostile than earth.
not the false cushy comfy vacuum the nasa wankers have you believing it is.
Why else do they PRETEND to protect themselves from the elements in space?

duh EWE can NOT have it both ways dude.

IT is HOSTILE even when you get past the belts.
DUH DUDE those BELTs protect us from the harmful space environment.
Do you know what a CME is?
Coronal Mass Ejection
See this green o, pretend it is earth, and the smilies is the sun.
Here comes a CME?
What would happen to life in a piece of NASA spacejunk if it encountered an unpredictable CME in space?
o

and if the technology has indeed been created, would it not be in the hands of the elite who would then use their agencies to fund missions into space and ultimately go to the moon using that secret space programme?

what technology
even your spokesperson said they had NOT developed it yet
CAN YOU NOT COMPREHEND WHAT A MIXED MESSAGE IS?

I never said anything about the apollo missions being real, as I said, that is irrelevant, I'm not sure why you're focusing in on it.

NOT focusing
just comparing HOAXes
this is a HOAX thread about crap in space being HOAXed?

I think it's fair to say that most noted Astrophysicists are clearly split between whether or not the Van Allen radiation belts constitute an impassible barrier to space travel, especially when taking into consideration the possible alternative propultion systems on offer, so please show me where your evidence is that has solved this dispute.

duh
you show me
where your ORION ART-piece suggests we got past the Van Allen belts and digging up alien spacecraft on the MOON.

Why do you relish in absurdities and then question why I add MOON HOAX crap to the discussion.
Ignorant humans want to add alien spacecraft found on the MOON by the Apollo missions, and I say hold on.

this fucking piece of ART is starting to smell like shit.

...And since '72 when the Canadians defeated the soviets on ice, the yanks have not been beyond 300 miles of the earth's surface?

no "official" manned missions. I highlighted the operative word there.

Proof?
OR is this piece of 21st century ART still on the design table?

dude it seems all folks checking into this THREAD say BULLSHIT to your musings.
so why keep trying to embellish another BULLSHIT story that in fact supports UFO/alien nonsense?

HERE IS THE PATTERN.
EVER SINCE THE UFO STORY WAS PLANTED INTO THE MINDS OF SHEEPLE.
FEW FOLKS
EVEN STANTON FREIDMAN, ONE OF YOUR LACKEYS, WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT WAS FOUND IN ROSWELL, IF AT ALL A FLYING SAUCER WAS IN FACT BUILT ACCORDING TO BLUEPRINTS THAT THE PAPERCLIP NAZIS SMUGGLED INTO AMERICA.

and obviously when I say thousands of whistleblowers I mean the colloquial 'many' like those involved in the disclosure project, or Bob Lazaar, Bob Dean, Lt. Phil Corso, Phil Schneider, Bill Cooper, Al Bielek, Judith Reyes, Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell (kind of), J. Allen Hynek, James Casbolt, Nick Pope, Stanton Freidman etc. etc.

we can scratch two wankers off your list from the word go.
Edgar Mitchell Stanton Freidman

any military personal who are collecting pensions can be removed from this list.
any judeao christian wankers like Bill Cooper can be removed as 100% credible and UNBIASED.

Too bad Frank Drake (of Drake equation fame) and Carl Sagan are NOT on your list.
They are credible and they sent out a message to outer space in the '70s looking for aliens.
Duh why
IF THEY HAVE BEEN HERE ALL ALONG?

Im not saying all these sources are reliable and I stand behind them 100%, but their testimony is worth listening to and researching because some of it is valid. No there's no hard evidence thats why it falls into the catagory of theory. If you're waiting for hard evidence on any of this stuff you'll be waiting a long time. we're only now beginning to learn the true history of the last century.

Exactly
want to see my reading list?
stop watching the crap you do for starters dude
it is keeping you grounded with all the other ignorant folks....

and just a quick note, if you want to be taken seriously, avoid statements beginning with....

On the day of judgement....

if I want that kind of shit I can just go talk to the crazy homeless guy with the "End is Nigh" sign who hangs around the centre of town pissing on his own shoes.

actually NO I do not want your quick note.
Why do you have problems with the phrase 'day of judgment'?

explain yourself
I clearly sense I am dealing with another human who is IGNORANT of the metaphysical?

so you are fucking DEAD to the METAPHYSICAL but alive and well when it comes to your fucking ART piece called the ORION conspiracy?

What does that make you dude?
In my book:
A walking talking metaphysically challenged zombie who can't tell the difference between art and life.

namaste

[Djpakkal Profile]

Whether or not they were faked is irrelevant,

if they lied about everything else in the past...
why believe them now?

There are thousand of whistleblowers since bob lazar who have come forward saying that the alphabet agencies and their corporate allies have exotic technologies beyond anything we can comprehend

thousands?
why is REAL GOOD PROOF HARD TO COME BY?

of course they have technologies like HOLOGRAMS, along with manmade UFOs, both will be used to terrorize the sheeple.
FEAR
works best....BIG BRO knows that...

None of what you present means they went to the Moon, landed and came back 6 times, between 1969-72.
And since '72 when the Canadians defeated the soviets on ice, the yanks have not been beyond 300 miles of the earth's surface?


It will 40 years in 2012, since '72 that we have been fucking grounded.

WHY HAVE THERE BEEN NO MANNED MISSIONS BEYOND 300 miles since 1972?

IS SPACE TO HOSTILE FOR LIFE?



On the day of judgement....
Dinks who are on critical life support, line with with the sheeple on the right
Critical dinkers line up on the left with the goats, because goats and gods tend to climb higher.

Remeber the former head of Lockheed-Martin Ben Rich saying "..we have the technology to take E.T. home"?
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... -are-real/

YA so fucking what?
Proves nothing.
He also could have been a fucking scum bag liar to his last breath too, can we prove that?
Should we try?

This is typical double speak right here coming from another fellas who evidently is in "the witness protecting programs".....

This is taken from that site you linked.

2 : “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

3 : “We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”

That last part of the quote SOUNDS like they have still to build what they claim they can build, to do what they say they can do.

more fucking promises, promises, promises.

"Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”

It appears they are still trying to figure out where Einstein went wrong.

Let me know when you have REAL proof.
What nonsense.

thank you for your post

I mean there is a lot of REAL stuff going on under above and around your noses and by looking to the right , a fucking lot happens to the left .... keep the eyes open but be aware of people who tried to put the truth up on you. Cause there is only one truth and that is the first sign that you see every morning when you see your self in the mirror. You can lie to everybody but you can't and may never lie to your self.

Peace to all bunker and debunkers

[Raphael Profile]

Cause there is only one truth and that is the first sign that you see every morning when you see your self in the mirror. You can lie to everybody but you can't and may never lie to your self.

Peace to all bunker and debunkers

agreed

without bunk
many folks would be out of a job.

namaste

[Djpakkal Profile]

Cause there is only one truth and that is the first sign that you see every morning when you see your self in the mirror. You can lie to everybody but you can't and may never lie to your self.

Peace to all bunker and debunkers

agreed

without bunk
many folks would be out of a job.

namaste

Nice to see that I'm not the only one that speaks the strange language