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PostWed Sep 11, 2013 5:49 pm » by *WillEase*


NASA Loses Contact With Comet-Hunting Deep Impact Spacecraft

NASA's veteran Deep Impact probe may have chased its last comet.

The spacecraft's handlers lost contact with Deep Impact — which slammed an impactor into Comet Tempel 1 in 2005, made a close flyby of Comet Hartley 2 in 2010 and recently observed ISON, a "comet of the century" candidate — sometime between Aug. 11 and Aug. 14, mission team members announced last Tuesday (Sept. 3).

"The last communication was on August 8. After considerable effort, the team on August 30 determined the cause of the problem," principal investigator Mike A'Hearn of the University of Maryland wrote in a brief mission update Tuesday. "The team is now trying to determine how best to try to recover communication."


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PostThu Sep 12, 2013 11:28 pm » by Shaggietrip


Nice posts from all. I would like to thank all for helping out with this thread. :flop:



Today I have a few posts and all credit is due to those who are creating these videos. I can not say that all that is said in the videos are fact. I will say that I would not post them if they did not have items of interest.



This is prt two of two. If you like you could go to part one and watch all. I talks of objects that have impacted Earth over time. But I would like for most to jump to 2:55 and take in what is being presented. It was new to me and hope it is of interest to all.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIymqqAoESU





Now the following video is not Ison focused. But I do find it a good thing to be aware of at this time.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fgSnf6HFbg



http://www.amsmeteors.org/
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ca/
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PostSat Sep 14, 2013 3:58 pm » by Shaggietrip


little update


Of course all info is up for debate.

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will try to find more later today. stay well, :cheers:
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PostSat Sep 14, 2013 7:15 pm » by The57ironman


Shaggietrip wrote:little update


Of course all info is up for debate.

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will try to find more later today. stay well, :cheers:

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PostSat Sep 14, 2013 9:12 pm » by Chronicnerd


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Chronicnerd wrote:First off,
Love the news segments from the disclose folks...as well I know reporting news requires one to report what is said whether or not one might or might not believe it. As such... my assumption is that the author of the following article posted on Disclose was doing just this:

http://www.disclose.tv/news/Is_Comet_ISON_a_UFO_Hubbles_scientists_do_a_reality_check/93417

I would like to invite anyone interested in this to contemplate what I would consider the following "Reasonable Questions", but first I am going to point out why I have questions.


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"The comet itself does not have three pieces," White wrote. "They are an artifact from adding up the separate exposures. The comet does not look the same in each exposure because both the comet and the Hubble telescope are moving during the exposure. The comet is blurred, just as a picture taken out the window of a moving car will be blurred."


A few things to point out about the above statement by Richard White:
1.) The images he released with his explanation do not show the *full picture*
2.) Is it safe to assume *ALL BODIES* in this picture would have some form of blur?
3.) If the answer is "no only Ison would blur"... then I would have to say he is smokin' something strong.

So, let's take a look at the original image people were using to generate the "multi-prong" looking image everyone was thinking was "odd":

The *ORIGINAL* image can be manipulated and viewed here:
http://hla.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/display?image=hlsp_ison_hst_wfc3_130430_f606w_v1&autoscale=&title=Ison+130430+WFC3+F606W
(you need to move up and right just a bit when it first loads)


This is the *original* section of the very large snapshot taken that many people used as the starting point to get the "triangle" looking structure:
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When you hit "darken" a few times you get something like this:
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To be very clear, I went ahead and zoomed it a bit:
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Now, I invite you to look at the *original*, the *zoomed out darkened version*, and then the zoomed image and think about this for a second...

If the "visual artifacts" are from *both* Comet Ison moving and the telescope moving... then I would be willing to make a *wild* guess that *ALL OTHER BODIES SHOULD BE BLURRED*... even if they were far away...

Why?
Look at the *DISTANCE* between the 3 segments of the "visual artifact"...
Look at the *TAIL* of the Comet and how it actually *forms* in the shape of the 3 segments...
Look at all of the objects around the comet... and notice how the only "blurring" happening is due to *distance* and not *MOTION*...


Now... if I take a snapshot from a moving car ("just as a picture taken out the window of a moving car will be blurred") like such:
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Then I would expect *most things* to have some form of *blur* on them...

Do we see *ANY* form of blur on *ANY* of the celestial bodies around the Comet Ison area?

I find Richard White's explanation a bit ~confusing~ and ~perplexing~...

There is *SO* much motion that the comet's perspective blurs to the point where you have such great distances and *SKEWING* of the ~single solid object~?

So... if it is moving...and this is a "side view snapshot" (because the tail actually stretches out we know we are looking from some form of side view)... then I would expect it to blur in the vector of the motion... but not show *very clear* gaps between the various "exposures" they "combined"...

I know another thing that shows this same type of "visual" behavior:
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A fan... depending upon your exposure time, you can get things like:
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However, this shows a motion of "extensions" from a central point...
Hey... wait a minute...

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Yeah... well you guys decide... I just find it "odd" that they had such "blurring" that it is nothing more than the several exposures they combined... when *every other celestial body in the same image has no form of motion artifact...AT ALL*...

But... then again... I don't photograph comets for a living...so maybe there is some special case scenario for comets...

Or... it is a "simple of enough" explanation for most people to easily accept and forget about...

You be the judge...


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The connection would be the video posted *just before* this post shows a few images of *more recent* comet Ison images, which in turn shows the stars *around* Ison are blurred...

Just like this:
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Comet Hergenrother was photographed at the Faulkes observatory and used "many exposures" to combine the final image.
Source: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/tag/faulkes-telescope-north/#.UjCPGG2t18E


If Comet Ison doesn't explode, like comet Holmes in 2007, after its close approach with our Sun, then I would agree with what the guy in that last video post was saying in regards to Ison and NASA's *predicted/estimated* brightness/magnitude...

Of course, Ison showed up ~almost 2 weeks~ earlier than NASA expected... and their "plotted course" doesn't seem to have adjusted for this period...so their data is already *incorrect*...and their running track record for this comet in general...has been a bit ~foggy~...or ~perplexing~...

Like... the "extra objects" found within some of the earlier images... that *BLATANTLY HAD NO SIGNS OF COMBINING MULTIPLE IMAGES OVER TIME*... the week and change ahead of schedule issue... as well as the explanation why Ison did not increase its brightness/magnitude as their records showed (about a month+ ago there was a news press saying Ison is "slowing down"...which referred to the rate of change in the magnitude increase as it approached the frost line...thus making the magnitude predictions off as well).


So... while the data one might look at from the JPL appears to be "A-OK"...just realize the following values have already been proven "not accurate" by professional Astronomers and NASA themselves:

1.) The rate of Magnitude increase as Ison approaches the Sun: was not and is not what is predicted
2.) The ~mysterious~ early photographs of Ison that showed no sign of combining multiple exposures over time, yet the "2 additional objects" still appeared.


Either case... it very well could be just a normal comet...could dive too close and get "consumed"...many things *could* happen to make it "less than potentially harmful"...

Of course... with the data from Holmes in 2007...and the strange "additional objects" (which could be nothing more than jet streams coming off of the comet showing regions of instability...that could become further destabilized/cracked...which in turn...could cause some form of 'Holmes like explosion')...

Not to mention...its close dive period is *Right in the MIDDLE of the Suns Polar Flip*...

So... Tail Disconnection events and similar "Sun behavior" like that of Ellenin (i.e. 7 X class flares) are all valid possibilities that cannot be left off the table...


Around November we will know a bit better about Ison's trajectory and whether or not its Coma is going to "puff out" more....

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PostSat Sep 14, 2013 11:33 pm » by Shaggietrip


thank you for posting the above post here CN :flop: ^^^







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PostSun Sep 15, 2013 6:18 am » by *WillEase*


You want to know something really wild about the coming cosmic event? In November, Ison will not be alone.
In fact, three comets will adorn the night sky in November. I've never heard of two comets being tracked at the same time, much less three! It may be an ominous sign. :scary:

Anyways, if you want to track them...

Comet ISON tracker: http://theskylive.com/ison-tracker

Comet LOVEJOY tracker: http://theskylive.com/lovejoy-tracker

Comet ENCKE tracker: http://theskylive.com/encke-tracker
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PostSun Sep 15, 2013 7:15 am » by *WillEase*


Looks like we got us a Comet Convoy…

Well, it seems that the much anticipated Comet ISON will have company when it’s in the sky later this year. Famed comet discoverer Terry Lovejoy has found another comet, and the latest Comet Lovejoy will be joining ISON in the northern sky in December. In fact, they will be keeping each other company from the start of November – a prospect which will have comet observers and astrophotographers alike drooling, I’m sure.

As this chart – created with the fantastic planetarium smartphone App “Sky Safari” shows – at the moment Comet Lovejoy is in the constellation of Monoceros, snuggling up next to Orion in the early morning sky…

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…and it is far too faint to see through binoculars or even a small telescope, But that will change as the days and weeks pass, and by November it should be visible in more modest equipment. Initial calculations suggest the latest Lovejoy won’t reach naked eye visibility, reaching a maximum magnitude of between 8 and 9, but as comet experts and observers always say it’s almost impossible to try and predict what a comet is going to do, so the best thing is just to work out where it is going to be and go take a look at it yourself.

On November 29th, when ISON has rounded the Sun and, we hope, begins to unfurl a tail and become visible to the naked eye, Comet Lovejoy will be close by. Here’s what comet observers will be looking at and photographing then…

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Note: you can see the Sky Safari software has shown where Comet ISON’s tail will be at that time, poking up from behind the horizon at the bottom left there, but there’s no way of knowing if it will actually be visible.

By mid-December, when many comet experts are predicting ISON may be at its best as it climbs up towards the stars of the Plough, Comet Lovejoy will be nearby…

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That’s a pretty exciting prospect for comet observers. But what caught my eye was what we have a chance of seeing a month earlier, before dawn on the morning of November 9th. Given clear skies, and a lot of luck, we have a chance of seeing a veritable “Comet Convoy” as 3 comets line up with Mars and Jupiter in the south east before sunrise

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And how bright will they all be? Well, from the left, Comet Encke will be magnitude 6, ISON should be hovering around 6 or 7, and Lovejoy will be still very faint at around magnitude 9. That means, especially in a brightening sky, none of them will probably be visible to the naked eye, but this parade will have astrophotographers out in their thousands I should think, and comet observers will be giddy with excitement.

(And what the hordes of Nibiru nutters and ISON wackos who have been getting their knickers in a twist at the prospect of *one* comet in the sky will make of a line up of THREE comets and two naked eye planets I dread to think! Their empty little heads might actually blow up!)

So… that’s going to be a right old treat, isn’t it? Typical. You wait ages for a good comet, then three come along at once!

Oh come on, someone had to say it… :wink:
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PostSun Sep 15, 2013 7:39 am » by *WillEase*


By the way...
If Comet ISON survives its trip around the sun, there’s a good chance that it will be incredibly bright and easily visible with the naked eye in the Northern Hemisphere. In early December, it will be seen in the morning, low on the horizon to the east-southeast. In late December and early January, it will be visible all night long.
It's closest approach to Earth is the day after Christmas (December 26, 2013) just a third of the distance between Earth and the sun, at approximately 2.8 million miles away.


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PostMon Sep 16, 2013 4:08 am » by *WillEase*



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Streamed live on Sep 12, 2013

Join Slooh's Paul Cox to get the truth about the recent conspiracy theories surrounding some NASA images of Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON). We'll have live images of Comet ISON direct from the Slooh telescopes in the Canary Islands throughout the show.

The Internet is being flooded with theories and images that appear to show that the "comet" is actually made up of three separate objects. We will examine the original data to establish the truth, and we'll also look at recent images of Comet ISON taken by Slooh Members as they image this and other comets every night.
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