Funny how whenever an Israeli Leader seems like he is doing the right and humane thing they end up assassinated or in a Coma and nothing ever fucking changes.

We need to cut the territory of Israel loose. I will call it a territory from now on, because I no longer see it as a legitimate country.

Death to Israel. (The Jewish people are ok though, just a little xenophobic and suffer from cultural PTSD)

Bah, you got this...

bullshit conspiracy crap ,so now Israelis killed rabin and put sharon in coma because
they wanted peace ? hahah that's pathetic propaganda ,i would expect more from you low .
give me some hard proof to back your claim please .



so what your saying that Israel should accept 4.5 milions Palestinians into
it's population , because other arab states refusing to accept them ,
when it's obvious that this kind of solution will lead only to civil war ?
yeah that's great idea,keep it .



you see what you want to see , Israel is allready for peace and was the only one
that suggested solutions , that been rejected by the Palestinians , you choose to
see israel as the bad guys, there is always two sides to the coin .
and you choose to look only on one side of it .

or in your case:

or in yours :


but really lets stop that .

If no other statement you make sums up the true subconscious Isreali attitude toward the people ON WHOSE LAND THEY ARE LIVING AND SETTLING...

This would be it sir"



erm YES!!!!!! ????.

See, generally (now of course this just applies to the rest of the world) but when you defeat/and/or occupy/takeover...(this goes even for evil dictators) a country..
You ALLOW THE NATIVE POPULATION TO STAY. No? (unless you want world opinion turning on you...oh wait...)

Fair and square, they won the six day war, etc ...but this is a principle that the rest of us hold as 'humane". When you TAKE OVER a land that other people occupy and live on, (in contemporary times, anyhow) Once you have taken their homes, lands and livlihoods, you do not make it official policy to harrass, detain, kill, sabotage, wall off, destroy infrastructure (in perpetuity), block foreign humanitarian aid, and basically SHIT on the people whose land you now occupy by force and decree only...

Its sorta the trade off for smashing an enemy, you spare their citizens..
Allow them to live their lives and conduct their survival without harassment.



You're blaming the OTHER Arab states for not taking them as some sort of justification.
Thats so perverse, im not even sure I have words for it. If i tell you what you just said, youll say im full of shit, so ill let other people read your words and conclude their meaning.

(Ill translate: They are unlike us and hate-riddled (due to our occupation) they are no longer humans worthy of our respect or cohabitation)

That is what you are saying, its just that the concept has engrained itself in your head so deep you cant even comprehend what an inhumane, and shall I dare say reminiscent of NAzi expulsion policy...that frankly, im floored it gets used in the debate. Ive heard others say the same thing.."Well, the OTHER Arab states won't take them"...well yeah thats because its not their fucking job to take in people isreal is displacing by force and long term pressure....were talking about a native population....people who lived there FIRST!

Im hoping that you say things like that out of habit, rather than out of long term logic.

You said SPECIFICALLY, that the Arabs (who were already living there) dont have the right to live in their homeland BECAUSE isreal forced them out, and theyre angry, and THEREFORE they cant be good neighbors.

Thats a whopper bro...that famous isreali twist..
that can make black seem white if you sing it right...

And on this nonsense that i only see one side of the coin, both Concrete and I have gone wayyyy out of our way to say that we can acknowledge ALL of the PAL political mistakes, and where they hold responsibility, their rejection of SEVERAL key accords, and all..but you perpetually ignore it and then accuse me of the opposite, saying ive just bought the propaganda..so get a little more honest here with me or we're done discussing all of it..

Thats some bullshit dismissal tactic, and im immune to it.

there are 1 million israeli arabs.
israel did not force the arabs out of their houses after the six day war. the arabs left by choice.

and again you guys prove you see only one side of the coin , let me remind you
that in those same years , millions of Jews where kicked out and forced to leave
Arab countries , all of there belonging and property confiscated and looted .

so if the Palestinians wants right of return those jews that where kicked out
of Arab countries should also get right of return and compensation .

and let me remind you that while the u.n declared state for both people in 49 ,
the Israeli people rejoiced and sang and danced on the streets ,what the
Palestinians did ? started war .
and after the 48 war was over , the Palestinian had from 49 till 67 to create
independent Palestine , but that didn't happened and it got nothing to do with the jews .

so yeah once again i say you guys full of shit , you telling me that im not ready for peace
after i stressed about 50 times that there is nothing more i would like then peace .
fucking ridiculous .

i have heard from personal accounts that as tanks moved thru the arab villages, the soldiers were shocked to see that they were completely abandoned. all belongings stayed in the houses. if i have some time ill try to find some proof on the internetz