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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 3:06 am » by Cornbread714


$30,000 Watch Vanishes Up Church Leader’s Sleeve
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A Breguet watch on Patriarch Kirill I, left, vanished in a doctored photo, but its reflection on the table remained. The Russian Orthodox Church Web site later restored it


By MICHAEL SCHWIRTZ
Published: April 5, 2012

MOSCOW — Facing a scandal over photographs of its leader wearing an enormously expensive watch, the Russian Orthodox Church worked a little miracle: It made the offending timepiece disappear.

Editors doctored a photograph on the church’s Web site of the leader, Patriarch Kirill I, extending a black sleeve where there once appeared to be a Breguet timepiece worth at least $30,000. The church might have gotten away with the ruse if it had not failed to also erase the watch’s reflection, which appeared in the photo on the highly glossed table where the patriarch was seated.

The church apologized for the deception on Thursday and restored the original photo to the site, but not before Patriarch Kirill weighed in, insisting in an interview with a Russian journalist that he had never worn the watch, and that any photos showing him wearing it must have been doctored to put the watch on his wrist.

The controversy, which erupted Wednesday when attentive Russian bloggers discovered the airbrushing, further stoked anger over the church’s often lavish displays of wealth and power. It also struck yet another blow to the moral authority of Russian officialdom, which has been dwindling rapidly in light of recent scandals involving police abuse, electoral fraud and corruption.

Aleksei Navalny, an anticorruption crusader, called the episode “shameful,” and bloggers gleefully ridiculed the church as hypocritical.

The church, after removing the doctored photo, blamed photo editors in its press service for the “technical mistake.”

“A gross violation of our internal ethics has occurred, and it will be thoroughly investigated,” the church said in a statement. “The guilty will be severely punished.”

It is not likely that the apology will end the debate about the watch or dampen the increasingly barbed discussions of the church’s role in Russian society. Over the past decade, the church has grown immensely powerful, becoming so close to the Kremlin that it often seems like a branch of government. It has extended its influence into a broad range of public life, including schools, courts and politics. Patriarch Kirill publicly backed Vladimir V. Putin in last month’s presidential election.

Recently, church officials stoked the ire of Russian liberals by seeking the imprisonment of members of a female punk rock group who held an impromptu concert inside Moscow’s main cathedral in February to protest the church’s political ties. Three members of the group are now in jail awaiting trial.

Then there is the question of the church’s wealth. Russian bloggers have published rumors that the patriarch has a large country house, a private yacht and a penchant for ski vacations in Switzerland, though none of this has been proved.

The watch, on the other hand, has been an object of fascination for years, and there is little question of its existence. It was first sighted on the patriarch’s wrist in 2009 during a visit to Ukraine, where he gave a televised interview on the importance of asceticism.

A Breguet watch “is virtually a sine qua non of any depiction of the aristocracy, the bourgeoisie or, quite simply, a life of luxury and elegance,” the company says, noting that its products have been worn by Marie Antoinette and Czar Aleksandr I and cited in works by Dumas and Hugo.

Coincidentally, the patriarch addressed the watch issue on Sunday, three days before the photo-doctoring scandal hit the blogosphere, in an interview with a prominent Kremlin-friendly television journalist, Vladimir Solovyov.

After the rumors about the watch began appearing, “I started looking for it out of interest and horror,” Kirill said, according to Mr. Solovyov, who conducted the interview off camera and related the patriarch’s comments.

Sorting through gifts he had received over the years, the patriarch discovered that he did indeed own the Breguet, Mr. Solovyov said. But he insisted that he had never worn it and said he suspected that any photos of him wearing it had been altered with Photoshop.

Watches, particularly those of the high-end Swiss variety, have been problematic for the Russian authorities. Many officials have come under fire after being photographed wearing timepieces with price tags far exceeding their annual salaries. Vladimir Resin, a former deputy mayor of Moscow, was once photographed wearing a DeWitt, the Pressy Grande Complication, reportedly worth more than $1 million.

But the patriarch has presented himself as the country’s ethical compass, and has recently embarked on a vocal campaign of public morality, advocating Christian education in public schools and opposing abortion and equal rights for gay people. He called the girl punk band protest at the cathedral “sacrilege.”

While Americans are used to hearing public positions on social issues from religious leaders, they were novel here, and they leave Patriarch Kirill and the church vulnerable to criticism, said Aleksei Makarkin, a political analyst who has written about the church.

“Now, the church has lost its symbolic immunity,” Mr. Makarkin said. “People will now say it has become the same as any other government structure.”

Russia’s often acerbic bloggers reacted to the scandal with something approaching glee. Bloggers have been uploading their own altered photographs of the patriarch to the Web, including one in which he has been erased and only the watch remains.

“The church can, of course, inspire fear or evoke respect, and even make mistakes,” Vladimir Varfolomeyev, a prominent liberal commentator, wrote on Facebook. “But it cannot be funny. Before our eyes we are witnessing the destruction of this institution.”

The Rev. Vsevolod Chaplin, a senior church cleric, played down the episode. In a telephone interview, he said that the controversy over the watch was distracting attention from more serious questions, like “the borders of artistic freedom and the meaning of the Gospels today.”

“Tomorrow, they will be talking about what kind of glasses the patriarch wears,” Father Chaplin said.


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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 3:17 am » by Noentry


This does not surprise me in the least.

The priest from the Orthodox church near me all drive around in top end brand new Mercs.

They make the Vatican look almost saintly
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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 3:28 am » by Cornbread714


noentry wrote:This does not surprise me in the least.

The priest from the Orthodox church near me all drive around in top end brand new Mercs.

They make the Vatican look almost saintly


Yeah, the Bulgarian Orthodox are the same. One of their leaders, also called Kyrill, got involved a scandal over his new limo last year, when he bragged that only he and Barak Obama had the same model.
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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 3:36 am » by Malogg


Never seen a poor minister or clergy man they all greedy feckers and think the more they show that they are helping the needy the more dumbasses will give to them.

Crooked feckers but dumbasses will always turn to the churches when personal loss happens and then they think they owe the church for the rest of their fkn life because they are way toooooooooooooooo stupid to not see the God scam.
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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 3:59 am » by Noentry


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Church Apologizes for Altered PhotoBased on the reflection in the table, it is clear a watch on Patriarch Kirill's wrist was photoshopped out of the image.


The Russian Orthodox Church issued an official apology for digitally removing a luxury watch from an image of Patriarch Kirill, reports ABC News.

He was pictured in a meeting with Russian Justice Minister Alexander Konovalov.

The original photo, dated July 3, 2009, showed Kirill, 65, wearing the expensive watch, according to the BBC. In the edited version, which appeared this month, the Patriarch is seen without the watch.

The deception might have gone unnoticed if not for one slight oversight: the reflection of the watch in the polished, shiny tabletop.

The attempt didn't fool bloggers, who latched on, prompting the church to issue an official apology.

The original image of Patriarch Kirill, released in July 2009, showing a watch that was later photoshopped out of the image.

"There will be a thorough investigation to determine why in this instance there was a crude violation of our internal ethical code," the patriarch's press team said in a statement. "The guilty ones will be punished severely."

The watch was a gold Breguet, with an estimated value of more than $30,000, the BBC reported.

The patriarch's press service responded, saying, "The person simply showed stupid initiative, not justified by anything and not agreed with superiors. It is clear that it is a mistake. We do not want to hide anything, we have nothing to be ashamed of," according to the Moscow News.

The Moscow News also said that Vsevolod Chaplin, the church's head spokesman, told the Russian blog Slon.ru, "I do not care what watch he has; moreover, I do not remember what watch I have on my wrist, I would have to look. I am not interested in this side of life."

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An apology is not gonna cut it for me.
They are still crooks
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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 4:03 am » by 44z44


90% of all culture's religious leader's are crook's.
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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 2:30 pm » by Harbin


Church leadership never/rarely use church funds to help people start enterprises so they can help themselves. They know that empowering the population would eventually cause a falling away from the church as the population becomes affluent. Therefore the church is interested in maintaining an impoverished, needy, illiterate, superstitious culture of slaves.
Not knowing how to use church funds is NOT the problem, it is willfull refusal to use church funds to truly improve conditions that is infuriating. So, they use the money for opulence for themselves, satisfying their corporeal needs, while telling the laity to look skyward for help and to keep tithing !
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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 2:33 pm » by Icarus1


harbin wrote:Church leadership never/rarely use church funds to help people start enterprises so they can help themselves. They know that empowering the population would eventually cause a falling away from the church as the population becomes affluent. Therefore the church is interested in maintaining an impoverished, needy, illiterate, superstitious culture of slaves.
Not knowing how to use church funds is NOT the problem, it is willfull refusal to use church funds to truly improve conditions that is infuriating. So, they use the money for opulence for themselves, satisfying their corporeal needs, while telling the laity to look skyward for help and to keep tithing !



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PostSat Apr 07, 2012 2:45 pm » by Icarus1


i remember when i was 6 r 7 being taken to what they lovingly deemed first confessions whereby you go in and get all your sins absolved for the price of a few hail marys and our fathers but the mad thing was that even then i new something was wrong.i went in bricking it not having a clue what i had to do and i found myself having to lie , he was all like " tell me your sins little boy " and i started saying things like i nicked 50p from mums handbag ( which i hadnt), and i had said bad words again which i hadnt and smillar mindless things to that affect just so i had something too say , as i don t think he would have believed that i was without sin, so that was my 1st involvement with organised religion which has remained with me to this day,
its all about controle my friends
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