Jackie Killed John Kennedy
Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:22 pm » by Theduck
Not really, you seem alright to me. You'll be alright here 
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Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:41 pm » by 7forever
theduck wrote:Not really, you seem alright to me. You'll be alright here
If you're referring to me being banned and censored it's because I told the truth and they didn't like it.
http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/
Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:50 pm » by Theduck
7forever wrote:theduck wrote:Not really, you seem alright to me. You'll be alright here
If you're referring to me being banned and censored it's because I told the truth and they didn't like it.
Well most of it is your opinion, state that after what you say and your covered lol
Unless you start trolling the sh*t out of everything and everyone here you shouldn't need to worry about banning, we're fairly laid back
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Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:08 pm » by 7forever
theduck wrote:7forever wrote:theduck wrote:Not really, you seem alright to me. You'll be alright here
If you're referring to me being banned and censored it's because I told the truth and they didn't like it.
Well most of it is your opinion, state that after what you say and your covered lol
Unless you start trolling the sh*t out of everything and everyone here you shouldn't need to worry about banning, we're fairly laid back
I couldn't settle on opinion but drawing conclusions from over a year long obsession with the zfilm is fine.
http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/
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Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:13 pm » by Thebluecanary
methaneslurpee wrote:aragajag wrote:To me it wasnt Jackie as she was shitting herself trying to climb over the back of the car to get away from danger. If she had no fear of some shooter in the front of the car why climb they way she did.
No, the original story was that Jackie was reaching for part of his skull. I think it may have been her own story...
I'm no expert on JFK theory and I haven't devoted much time at all to researching it, and therefore have no real informed personal perspective on who did it. My boyfriend, however, reads voraciously about it and I'm sure that I have seen in at least one of his books a still photo that clearly shows Jackie reaching for/holding a hunk of bloody hair/skull. Maybe it's just my mind inserting it because that's what we've all been told she was doing on the trunk....
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Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:20 am » by 7forever
1st shot = Z157 - Z161 TSBD
2nd shot = Z188 - Z191 TSBD
3rd shot = Z295 - Z296 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z312 TSBD
The HSCA went with the above scenario in the late 70's.
1st shot = Z173 - Z177 TSBD
2nd shot = Z205 -Z208 TSBD
3rd shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z328 - Z329 TSBD
In 2001, researcher D. B. Thomas studied the dictabelt recording and also determined that a shot fired from the grassy knoll killed the President. His study indicated a total of five shots with a 96.3% probability as follows:
? = Z147 No match
1st Shot = Z175 TSBD (hit a curb)
2nd Shot = Z204 "Rogue Shot"
3rd Shot = Z224 TSBD (hit JFK and Connally)
4th Shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll (Fatal wound)
5th Shot = Z326 TSBD
My line up.
1. 147-160 missed
2. 225 from front hit Kennedy in throat.
3. 234 Connally struck in back from behind
FOUR SECOND PAUSE
4. 313 Driver fires fatal shot
5. 323 give or take a few frames; a shot was fired from the fence/knoll immediately after Greer fired to confuse people standing on elm about the fatal shot coming from inside the limo. IT WAS A DUMMIE SHOT. THE LAST TWO SHOTS WERE BANG BANG.
2nd shot = Z188 - Z191 TSBD
3rd shot = Z295 - Z296 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z312 TSBD
The HSCA went with the above scenario in the late 70's.
1st shot = Z173 - Z177 TSBD
2nd shot = Z205 -Z208 TSBD
3rd shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z328 - Z329 TSBD
In 2001, researcher D. B. Thomas studied the dictabelt recording and also determined that a shot fired from the grassy knoll killed the President. His study indicated a total of five shots with a 96.3% probability as follows:
? = Z147 No match
1st Shot = Z175 TSBD (hit a curb)
2nd Shot = Z204 "Rogue Shot"
3rd Shot = Z224 TSBD (hit JFK and Connally)
4th Shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll (Fatal wound)
5th Shot = Z326 TSBD
My line up.
1. 147-160 missed
2. 225 from front hit Kennedy in throat.
3. 234 Connally struck in back from behind
FOUR SECOND PAUSE
4. 313 Driver fires fatal shot
5. 323 give or take a few frames; a shot was fired from the fence/knoll immediately after Greer fired to confuse people standing on elm about the fatal shot coming from inside the limo. IT WAS A DUMMIE SHOT. THE LAST TWO SHOTS WERE BANG BANG.
http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/
Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:31 am » by 7forever
The only ss agent who shot back was Greer. He fired the fatal shot.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_j.htm
Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.
Read her testimony. She heard three shots which are identifiable by known and agreed upon shots. The first shot missed. The single bullet myth is 2 shots. There's three right there and Mary's affadavit provides the last two close together. There were as least 5 shots.
Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back." Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe what that man looked like?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't
Mr. SPECTER - How tall was he?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't very tall.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he more than 5 feet tall, or can you give me any meaningful description of him?
Mrs. HILL - Well, yes; but I don't want to.
Mr. SPECTER - Why is that?
Mrs. HILL - Well, because I had told several people and I also said it that day down there and the person that I described, and I am fully aware that his whereabouts have been known at all times, and that it seems that I am merely using a figure and converting it to my story, but the person that I saw looked a lot like---I would say the general build as I would think Jack Ruby would from that position. But I have talked with the FBI about this and I told them I realized that his whereabouts had been covered at all times and of course I didn't---at that time I didn't realize that the shots were coming from the building. I frankly thought they were coming from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Why did you think they were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - That was just my idea where they were coming from.
Mr. SPECTER - Would you draw the knoll on the picture, where you mean by the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - This area in front of the Book Depository---it's right here.
Mr. SPECTER - Just draw me a circle as to where you had a general impression the shots were coming from.
Mrs. HILL - This is a hill and it was like they were coming from right in there. That's when I looked up and saw that man and all the rest of the people were stunned and not moving in that area and yet he was getting out of there--I thought that probably he had done it, and so I went to catch him, for some reason.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, did you have a conscious impression of the source of the first shot that you heard, that is, where it came from?
Mrs. HILL - Well, evidently I didn't because the only conscious recollection I have of that---I mean---until all this other came out---I had always thought that they came from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you have any conscious impression of where the second shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - No.
Mr. SPECTER - Any conscious impression of where this third shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - Not any different from any of them. I thought it was just people shooting from the knoll---I did think there was more than one person shooting.
Mr. SPECTER - You did think there was more than one person shooting?
Mrs. HILL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - What made you think that?
Mrs. HILL - The way the 'gun report sounded and the difference in the way they were fired-the timing.
Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.
Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?
Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?
Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.
Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.
Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?
Mrs. HILL - No.
Jean Hill was confused which is exactly what his killers were aiming for at the end. Had that last shot after Greer fired not been fired, there would have been no excuse or alternative recollection for witnesses.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_j.htm
Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.
Read her testimony. She heard three shots which are identifiable by known and agreed upon shots. The first shot missed. The single bullet myth is 2 shots. There's three right there and Mary's affadavit provides the last two close together. There were as least 5 shots.
Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back." Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe what that man looked like?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't
Mr. SPECTER - How tall was he?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't very tall.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he more than 5 feet tall, or can you give me any meaningful description of him?
Mrs. HILL - Well, yes; but I don't want to.
Mr. SPECTER - Why is that?
Mrs. HILL - Well, because I had told several people and I also said it that day down there and the person that I described, and I am fully aware that his whereabouts have been known at all times, and that it seems that I am merely using a figure and converting it to my story, but the person that I saw looked a lot like---I would say the general build as I would think Jack Ruby would from that position. But I have talked with the FBI about this and I told them I realized that his whereabouts had been covered at all times and of course I didn't---at that time I didn't realize that the shots were coming from the building. I frankly thought they were coming from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Why did you think they were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - That was just my idea where they were coming from.
Mr. SPECTER - Would you draw the knoll on the picture, where you mean by the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - This area in front of the Book Depository---it's right here.
Mr. SPECTER - Just draw me a circle as to where you had a general impression the shots were coming from.
Mrs. HILL - This is a hill and it was like they were coming from right in there. That's when I looked up and saw that man and all the rest of the people were stunned and not moving in that area and yet he was getting out of there--I thought that probably he had done it, and so I went to catch him, for some reason.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, did you have a conscious impression of the source of the first shot that you heard, that is, where it came from?
Mrs. HILL - Well, evidently I didn't because the only conscious recollection I have of that---I mean---until all this other came out---I had always thought that they came from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you have any conscious impression of where the second shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - No.
Mr. SPECTER - Any conscious impression of where this third shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - Not any different from any of them. I thought it was just people shooting from the knoll---I did think there was more than one person shooting.
Mr. SPECTER - You did think there was more than one person shooting?
Mrs. HILL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - What made you think that?
Mrs. HILL - The way the 'gun report sounded and the difference in the way they were fired-the timing.
Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.
Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?
Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?
Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.
Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.
Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?
Mrs. HILL - No.
Jean Hill was confused which is exactly what his killers were aiming for at the end. Had that last shot after Greer fired not been fired, there would have been no excuse or alternative recollection for witnesses.
http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/
Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:38 am » by 7forever
Mary Moorman's Affidavit (back to the list of witnesses)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm#list
Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston. I had a Polaroid Camera with me and was intending to take pictures of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the pictures I took were developed, the Picture of President Kennedy showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers investigating this incident.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm#list
Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston. I had a Polaroid Camera with me and was intending to take pictures of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the pictures I took were developed, the Picture of President Kennedy showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers investigating this incident.
http://thedriverkilledkenendy.blogspot.com/
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