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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:02 pm » by Bandanko


thats right, those not familiar with cockney ryhming slang, that means wife ;)

so it appears the big JC had a wife!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19645273


An ancient scrap of papyrus makes explicit reference to Jesus having a wife, according to a renowned expert in Christian history.

Harvard divinity professor Karen King unveiled the 4th-Century Coptic script at a conference in Rome.

She said researchers had identified the words "Jesus said to them, 'my wife'", which might refer to Mary Magdalene.

Christian tradition holds that Jesus did not marry - but Ms King said in early years it was subject to debate.

The provocative find could spark debate over celibacy and the role of women within Christianity, she added.

But the announcement sparked scepticism from some theologians.

Jim West, a professor and Baptist pastor in Tennessee, said: "A statement on a papyrus fragment isn't proof of anything. It's nothing more than a statement 'in thin air', without substantial context."

Ms King said the fragment, written in ancient Egyptian Coptic, is the first known scripture in which Jesus is reported to cite his wife.

She said several experts agree the yellowish brown papyrus is authentic, but that "final judgment on the fragment depends on further examination by colleagues and further testing, especially of the chemical composition of the ink".

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Although the script is not proof of Jesus's marital status, Ms King said it revealed concerns early Christians faced with regards to family and marriage matters.

"This fragment suggests that some early Christians had a tradition that Jesus was married," she said.

"From the very beginning, Christians disagreed about whether it was better not to marry, but it was over a century after Jesus's death before they began appealing to Jesus's marital status to support their positions.

"What this shows is that there were early Christians for whom sexual union in marriage could be an imitation of God's creativity and generativity and it could be spiritually proper and appropriate."

According to Ms King's research team, the text also quotes Jesus as telling his followers that Mary Magdalene is worthy of being his disciple.

This, in turn, casts new doubt on the long-held belief that Jesus had no female disciples, and raises issues about Mary's biblical role as a sinner, they said.

Ms King presented the document at a six-day conference held at Rome's La Sapienza University and at the Augustinianum institute of the Pontifical Lateran University.

The faded papyrus is hardly bigger than a business card and has eight lines on one side, in black ink legible under a magnifying glass.

The private collector, who owns the fragment, has asked to remain anonymous because "he doesn't want to be hounded by people who want to buy this", Ms King said.

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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:08 pm » by Slith


Was just reading that in the local paper. Interesting
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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:12 pm » by Jesuschrist


Amen!

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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:13 pm » by *WillEase*


Just saw that on HLN. I call :bullshit:

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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:14 pm » by Crusader


Dont you dare blaspheme about the son of God! aaarghh!!!. Thats it! me and my mates are going to go on a murderous rampage and then steal some furniture. AAARGHHHH!.
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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:17 pm » by Slith


Jesuschrist wrote:Amen!

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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:19 pm » by Icarus1


laurence gardner wrote a collection of books on this subject before he died , he was a knights templer.


The Magdalene Legacy

Laurence Gardner The Magdalene Legacy


Laurence Gardner's historical detective story on the suppressed archives of Jesus, Mary Magdalene and their hidden lineage first began in his 1996 worldwide bestseller Bloodline of the Holy Grail. Since then, these controversial themes have been taken up in the world of fiction with the bestselling novel The Da Vinci Code, triggering a new and heated debate about the mysterious life of Mary Magdalene.

From the Dark Ages, through medieval times and the Renaissance era, down to the present day, Mary Magdalene has been among the most painted and sculpted of all classical figures. In fact, the oldest of all Christian paintings outside the catacombs of Rome is not of Jesus or his mother, but of Mary Magdalene. Artists and chroniclers have adored her, and churches have been consecrated to her. But for all that, she has been constantly vilified by the Christian religious establishment.

In the New Testament Gospels, Mary is given as Jesus' companion, his financial sponsor, and a woman that he loved. Church doctrine, however, claims her to have been a sinful harlot, albeit a repentant sinner who was finally admitted to the sainthood as late as 1969.

With over 50 colour plates, The Magdalene Legacy follows the life of Mary Magdalene as it has been portrayed in academic literature and the world of fine art. The book also investigates why so many of Mary's pictorial depictions are of non-biblical events - on board a ship, holding a Grail, preaching to crowds, and pregnant or with a child.

From his privileged access to centuries of suppressed Templar, Vatican and monastic archives, Laurence presents documented evidence of Mary's true identity and marriage to Jesus, her connection to the Knights Templars, the inside story on the mysterious Priory of Sion.

In these respects, we find evidence of Magdalene passages deleted from the original Gospels before they were approved for New Testament inclusion in the 4th century. Additionally, much is learned from other Gospels and texts that were omitted entirely from the canonical selection - accounts that specifically refer to Mary Magdalene as Jesus' consort, along with monastic references to her being his wife. The story that emerges is an explosive account of Mary's exile from Judaea under threat arrest, and the documented persecution of her heirs by a succession of Roman emperors.

Why are these things not written in the Bible? Many of them are - they are simply not taught or discussed in a mainstream environment. The Magdalene Legacy, however, goes far beyond the controversies stirred up by the fictional world of The Da Vinci Code to reveal a dramatic series of events that rock the very foundations of hybrid 'churchianity'.
Book Reviews - The Magdalene Legacy

The Sunday Times
"An explosive historical detective story, presenting secret archives on the mysterious life of Mary Magdalene and the real hidden lineage of Jesus."
Nexus Magazine
"This brilliant new work, pieces together that Mary Magdalene was an integral part of the fledgling Nazarene Christian movement. These revelations have huge implications."
New Dawn
"Best selling author and scholar Laurence Gardner reveals little known facts on Mary Magdalene's importance in medieval Europe and why the Church worked so hard to slander her name."
Unknown Country Radio
"Gardner is back with smoking gun. Proof about what really happened during the life of Christ and after."
Female First UK
"Laurence Gardner is a mastermind of unravelling mysteries, revealing many furtive truths in his books."
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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:22 pm » by Icarus1


he also published the following

Bibliography

Bloodline of The Holy Grail: The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed (1996) (ISBN 1-85230-870-2)

Genesis of the Grail Kings: The Astonishing Story of the Ancient Bloodline of Christ and the True Heritage of the Holy Grail (1999) (ISBN 0553817744)

Illustrated Bloodline of the Holy Grail (2000) (ISBN 1862047707)

Bloodline of The Holy Grail: The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed, Author's Special Edition (2001) (ISBN 1-903773-06-7)

Realm of The Ring Lords: The Ancient Legacy of the Ring and the Grail (2003) (ISBN 1931412146)
Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark: Amazing Revelations of the Incredible Power of Gold (2004) (ISBN 0-00-714295-1)

The Magdalene Legacy: The Jesus and Mary Bloodline Conspiracy (2005) (ISBN 0007200854)

The Shadow of Solomon: The Lost Secret of the Freemasons Revealed (2005) (ISBN 1578634040)

The Grail Enigma: The Hidden Heirs of Jesus and Mary Magdalene (2008) (ISBN 0007266944)

The Origin of God (2010) (ISBN 9780956735706)

Revelation of the Devil (2012) (ISBN 9780956735744)


available in any decent bookstore or amazon etc,


also check this shit out


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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 3:45 pm » by Bandanko


willease666 wrote:Just saw that on HLN. I call :bullshit:


and why would you be calling that?

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PostWed Sep 19, 2012 4:02 pm » by *WillEase*


Bandanko wrote:
willease666 wrote:Just saw that on HLN. I call :bullshit:


and why would you be calling that?


Wolf-Peter Funk, a noted Coptic linguist and co-director of the francophone project editing the Nag Hammadi Coptic library at Laval University in Quebec, said there were "thousands of scraps of papyrus where you find crazy things," and that many questions remain unanswered about the Harvard fragment.

The fragment is not proof that Jesus was married, but is reflective of the debates early Christians had in the infancy of the church. After all, this wouldn't be the first time early Christian artifacts have contradicted history as written in the Bible.
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