Jesus is not God, but the Truly Son of God.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:10 am » by **Bleever**

theclarificator wrote:
debunkerace wrote:
cia212 wrote:Jesus claimed to be God, so does the Bible, his followers, and almost 2000 years of religious writing. Read about Arianism.

As for the rest, Angels didn't need to "mingle" with humans to take on a physical body - read about the angels who visited Lot. And "sons of god" or "b'ney ha-Elohim" can refer to something other than angels. Read "City of God" by Saint Augustine.

Did he actually claim to be God? Didn't he claim to be the Son of God?

You are right.
Jesus just claim to be one of the Sons of God, and called God his Father as any other of the "Sons of Gods" could call God his Father too.
When Jesus accomplished his mission then he was entitled as the Only and Truly Son of God.
So his position its between God and the angels now.
Previously Jesus was just one of the Sons of God.
When priest ask Jesus if he was the Son of God, he answer YES, because he is truly a Son of God.
But for Jewish Priests any person who said is a Son of God is saying that he is God, thus the confusion.
Jesus not said I'm God, but I'm the Son of God.
If you re-look all the verses of the Bible then all of sudden you will understand everything.

Where did you find God had multiple sons?

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:13 am » by **Bleever**

debunkerace wrote:
bleever wrote:Love this topic. Jesus said he was God, that's well documented. It goes like this: God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit all make up one God.

So, who's the holy spirit?

God the Son is in heaven with God the Father, the Holy Spirit resides on Earth for the time being.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:15 am » by **Theclarificator**

bleever wrote:Love this topic. Jesus said he was God, that's well documented. It goes like this: God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit all make up one God.

Jesus never said he was God.
He always refers himself as the Son of God.
There is no such verse in the Bible.
Even the Father (the only God) said of him in his baptism:
This is my Son, the chosen one.
He have the name over all names, because he is now between the son of gods (angels) and God himself.
You read Revelations, and there is always a clear distintion of the one sit on the throne (God) and Jesus.
You have been lie by Roman Church for almost 2 thousand years.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:16 am » by **Constabul**

aragajag wrote:Gandalf the Gray claimed that he had become Gandalf the White a promotion in wizard terms. Some say he just found a washing machine in his travels and didnt get extra powers and insight. What do you think.

Dragonlance had a similar structure with White, red, and black robe mages. Think they even introduced gray robes.

White was good, red neutral, and black was evil. Pretty much denoting alignment.
Raistlin as a black robe, would wipe the floor with gandalf in gray or white robes.
Tho Elminster of Forgotten Realms could beat both together. Tho admittingly Ras would be the more difficult of the two.

(+5 geek points awarded)

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:22 am » by **Theclarificator**

bleever wrote:
Where did you find God had multiple sons?

It is in the Bible itself. Genesis.
"Sons of God, are a name convention, for pure spiritual beings created by God, part of them decided to not serve him, so those sons of god became evil spirits. So from the remaining sons of god that stay at God side, the only and one that offer to repair our DNA was Jesus. The sons of god that sin also sin mixing with the women, so there is a need for a pure son of god, Jesus, that came to fix what those "angels" did.
Jesus is our Only Saviour, because it is only by him we can actually enhance our spirit and DNA, after the angels sin.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:22 am » by **Bleever**

theclarificator wrote:
bleever wrote:Love this topic. Jesus said he was God, that's well documented. It goes like this: God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit all make up one God.

Jesus never said he was God.
He always refers himself as the Son of God.
There is no such verse in the Bible.
Even the Father (the only God) said of him in his baptism:
This is my Son, the chosen one.
He have the name over all names, because he is now between the son of gods (angels) and God himself.
You read Revelations, and there is always a clear distintion of the one sit on the throne (God) and Jesus.
You have been lie by Roman Church for almost 2 thousand years.

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.
John 13:13 - You call me Teacher and Lord and rightly so, for that is who I am

Jesus can forgive sin and grant everlasting life, and Jesus was who spoke to Moses through the burning bush...

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:27 am » by **Bleever**

theclarificator wrote:
bleever wrote:
Where did you find God had multiple sons?

It is in the Bible itself. Genesis.
"Sons of God, are a name convention, for pure spiritual beings created by God, part of them decided to not serve him, so those sons of god became evil spirits. So from the remaining sons of god that stay at God side, the only and one that offer to repair our DNA was Jesus. The sons of god that sin also sin mixing with the women, so there is a need for a pure son of god, Jesus, that came to fix what those "angels" did.
Jesus is our Only Saviour, because it is only by him we can actually enhance our spirit and DNA, after the angels sin.

I see your point, however, I respectfully disagree with your interpretation. You may very well be correct and I may very well be incorrect. All we have is assurances not certainty.

God made the cherubim, saraphim and the "living creatures" God did say Man will rank higher than Angels in time...

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:29 am » by **Theclarificator**

debunkerace wrote:
bleever wrote:Love this topic. Jesus said he was God, that's well documented. It goes like this: God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit all make up one God.

So, who's the holy spirit?

There is a difference between the Holy Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus.
By the Holy Spirit of God was created everything.
By the Spirit of Jesus is the only way to be born again.
Born again mean being in the spirit like an angel and being DNA enhanced.
God give us Jesus as the Only Way to be fully born again, both in the flesh and in the spirit.
Jesus was one of the greatest Sons of God (angels) in a human body.
When he died and resurrect, he were ascend as the one and Only Truly Son of God.
This mean his is the second after God.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:32 am » by **Constabul**

bleever wrote: however, I respectfully disagree with your interpretation.

That's it in a nut shell, interpretation, Not knowing, Not Fact, But interpretation. Personal speculative, subjective reasoning.

You all Think you have it right.

In other words, Placebo for the personal Ego.
That is your truth.

:look:

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:33 am » by **Theclarificator**

bleever wrote:
theclarificator wrote:
bleever wrote:Love this topic. Jesus said he was God, that's well documented. It goes like this: God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit all make up one God.

Jesus never said he was God.
He always refers himself as the Son of God.
There is no such verse in the Bible.
Even the Father (the only God) said of him in his baptism:
This is my Son, the chosen one.
He have the name over all names, because he is now between the son of gods (angels) and God himself.
You read Revelations, and there is always a clear distintion of the one sit on the throne (God) and Jesus.
You have been lie by Roman Church for almost 2 thousand years.

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.
John 13:13 - You call me Teacher and Lord and rightly so, for that is who I am

Jesus can forgive sin and grant everlasting life, and Jesus was who spoke to Moses through the burning bush...

Lord and God is no the same word.
He's talking about the spiritual relationship between angels and God.
Any other angel can say exactly that.
By the opposite, a human being can't say that, because is not pure spiritual, or had been an angel before.
What Jesus said is true: He was one with his father.
But even in those verses he never said I'm God.