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"By Symbols is man guided and commanded, made happy, made wretched. He everywhere finds himself encompassed with Symbols, recognized as such or not recognized: the Universe is but one vast Symbol of God; nay, if thou wilt have it, what is man himself but a Symbol of God; is not all that he does symbolical; a revelation to Sense of the mystic God-given force that is in him; a Gospel of Freedom, which he, the Messiah of Nature, preaches, as he can, by word and act? Not a Hut he builds but is the visible embodiment of a Thought; but bears visible record of invisible things; but is, in the transcendental sense, symbolical as well as real."


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PostThu Sep 08, 2011 10:36 am » by Khnumkhufu


georgedragon wrote:"By Symbols is man guided and commanded, made happy, made wretched. He everywhere finds himself encompassed with Symbols, recognized as such or not recognized: the Universe is but one vast Symbol of God; nay, if thou wilt have it, what is man himself but a Symbol of God; is not all that he does symbolical; a revelation to Sense of the mystic God-given force that is in him; a Gospel of Freedom, which he, the Messiah of Nature, preaches, as he can, by word and act? Not a Hut he builds but is the visible embodiment of a Thought; but bears visible record of invisible things; but is, in the transcendental sense, symbolical as well as real."

:pray:

-kind of makes me wish I was the kind of person that could walk into a room he didn't know how to get out of...

here's a few little factoids for the jesus freaks, ripoffs, backwards-ripoffs and holier-than-thou-backwards-ripoffs… plus some more below.

1: at the the time of the alleged jesus romans did NOT crucify people in the way we understand crucifixion, ie on a cross. The cross was a HOLY symbol to the romans and they would not DREAM of deifying slaves, criminals, and the likes by nailing them to a holy symbol. The practice consisted of nailing them to an upright pole, or whatever was at hand eg, a tree, wall etc.

2: crucifixion as we understand it was invented around year 300 as a combination of two punishments, the first being "walking the yoke" - being chased around the city (with the arms attached to a horizontal 'yoke') and scorned, the second being crucifixion in the old sense. To sum up: walk the yoke + crucifixion. Sound familiar to you?

3: There is a consensus amongst historians that we do NOT have ANY historical evidence WHATSOEVER of the alleged jesus.

4: It is also common knowledge that the cult around the alleged jesus found its form (as we know it) and flourished around year 300. We can thank emperor constantin for this. Yes, the guy that made christianity roman state religion. Basically he rounded up all the leaders of cults around this weird "jesus" fellow, and forced them to get their act together and decide upon the gospels so he could have his state religion. On a sidenote constantine was never baptized, even refused to on his deathbed. Matthew 7*, anyone? ;)

5: Funny enough there was another cult around this time that suddenly disappeared. At the time of disappearance it had been around for some 350 years.

6: This cult was based around a person we do have plenty of historical evidence about. This person was deifyed after his death. But even while living he pointed out time and again that he was the direct descendant of the goddess venus. During a period of his life he even was a high priest himself.

…and a few clues to the bloodline lovers:

7: He was also deifyed by the woman he had a son with. This woman also regarded herself as a descendant of the gods - she has been seen depicting herself as hathor - which btw & iirc could bee seen as the egyptian equivalent of venus. He was (fittingly) depicted as horus, god of the sky, god of war, and god of protection.

8: This woman's name/title can be translated to 'mary'

9: The bloodline issue was of the UTMOST importance to this woman.

10: Although this woman committed suicide while the boy was at an early age, he lived to be around 16 before he was (allegedly?) murdered.

11: As most of the men reading this will probably agree on, it is safe to assume that a boy of royal descent and with near-unlimited powers would have had apt opportunity to sew his oats, thus keeping the bloodline intact.

12: having the boys fate in mind, it is thus not entirely improbable to imagine a ship landing in he south of france in the dead of night (as reported by some), bringing with it a black woman and the holy grail. On a side note, it is historical fact that some of the people here were of the utmost loyal ones towards this grail's grandfather. It is also in this region we later in history see some of the most brutal persecution from perverted (read constantin's) christianity, AND yet another escape of the grail by help of some of the crusaders.

…as for the crusaders:

13: it seems early crusaders found something in the holy land that did not only cause them to lose their faith, but also caused them to become immensely wealthy, and granted them protection from the church. At least for a period of time.

14: There have been some reports (and later accusations) of the crusaders worshipping a skull/head, allegedely the head of john the baptist. Is this what they found? But why should finding the head of john cause them to lose their faith? Unless of course, they found something else along with it.

15: since we have strong reason to believe that "jesus" as we know him did not exist, what does this tell os about john? From the same source that gives us the name of the real jesus, and the name of the real mary, we also find the name of the real john. Who of course had been close to our jesus, and beheaded as well. Given that the people who beheaded him were experts at embalming, and saved the head as a peace offering to our jesus, there is room to speculate that this head could have survived to be found by the crusaders.

16: What does the persecution of the crusaders, the persecution of this cult in southern france, and their final/combined effort to secure the grail tell us?

17: Latest news: 50% of Europeans have genes in common with the ancient egyptians. Now combinatorics tell us that if a man produces just ONE child, 50% of the population in that local area, 1000 years later, will be related to him.


--no names, no references. I want you to focus on the story, not the people. But do your own research, and figure it out.

*"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."

edit: -if you're into annunaki and stuff, you really should dive into the sumerian equivalent of venus.

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PostThu Sep 08, 2011 11:00 am » by Khnumkhufu


...almost forgot to mention that our jesus' name can be translated to j..... christos.

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PostFri Sep 09, 2011 5:03 pm » by Truthdefender


khnumkhufu wrote:
georgedragon wrote:"By Symbols is man guided and commanded, made happy, made wretched. He everywhere finds himself encompassed with Symbols, recognized as such or not recognized: the Universe is but one vast Symbol of God; nay, if thou wilt have it, what is man himself but a Symbol of God; is not all that he does symbolical; a revelation to Sense of the mystic God-given force that is in him; a Gospel of Freedom, which he, the Messiah of Nature, preaches, as he can, by word and act? Not a Hut he builds but is the visible embodiment of a Thought; but bears visible record of invisible things; but is, in the transcendental sense, symbolical as well as real."

:pray:

-kind of makes me wish I was the kind of person that could walk into a room he didn't know how to get out of...

here's a few little factoids for the jesus freaks, ripoffs, backwards-ripoffs and holier-than-thou-backwards-ripoffs… plus some more below.

1: at the the time of the alleged jesus romans did NOT crucify people in the way we understand crucifixion, ie on a cross. The cross was a HOLY symbol to the romans and they would not DREAM of deifying slaves, criminals, and the likes by nailing them to a holy symbol. The practice consisted of nailing them to an upright pole, or whatever was at hand eg, a tree, wall etc.

2: crucifixion as we understand it was invented around year 300 as a combination of two punishments, the first being "walking the yoke" - being chased around the city (with the arms attached to a horizontal 'yoke') and scorned, the second being crucifixion in the old sense. To sum up: walk the yoke + crucifixion. Sound familiar to you?

3: There is a consensus amongst historians that we do NOT have ANY historical evidence WHATSOEVER of the alleged jesus.

4: It is also common knowledge that the cult around the alleged jesus found its form (as we know it) and flourished around year 300. We can thank emperor constantin for this. Yes, the guy that made christianity roman state religion. Basically he rounded up all the leaders of cults around this weird "jesus" fellow, and forced them to get their act together and decide upon the gospels so he could have his state religion. On a sidenote constantine was never baptized, even refused to on his deathbed. Matthew 7*, anyone? ;)

5: Funny enough there was another cult around this time that suddenly disappeared. At the time of disappearance it had been around for some 350 years.

6: This cult was based around a person we do have plenty of historical evidence about. This person was deifyed after his death. But even while living he pointed out time and again that he was the direct descendant of the goddess venus. During a period of his life he even was a high priest himself.

…and a few clues to the bloodline lovers:

7: He was also deifyed by the woman he had a son with. This woman also regarded herself as a descendant of the gods - she has been seen depicting herself as hathor - which btw & iirc could bee seen as the egyptian equivalent of venus. He was (fittingly) depicted as horus, god of the sky, god of war, and god of protection.

8: This woman's name/title can be translated to 'mary'

9: The bloodline issue was of the UTMOST importance to this woman.

10: Although this woman committed suicide while the boy was at an early age, he lived to be around 16 before he was (allegedly?) murdered.

11: As most of the men reading this will probably agree on, it is safe to assume that a boy of royal descent and with near-unlimited powers would have had apt opportunity to sew his oats, thus keeping the bloodline intact.

12: having the boys fate in mind, it is thus not entirely improbable to imagine a ship landing in he south of france in the dead of night (as reported by some), bringing with it a black woman and the holy grail. On a side note, it is historical fact that some of the people here were of the utmost loyal ones towards this grail's grandfather. It is also in this region we later in history see some of the most brutal persecution from perverted (read constantin's) christianity, AND yet another escape of the grail by help of some of the crusaders.

…as for the crusaders:

13: it seems early crusaders found something in the holy land that did not only cause them to lose their faith, but also caused them to become immensely wealthy, and granted them protection from the church. At least for a period of time.

14: There have been some reports (and later accusations) of the crusaders worshipping a skull/head, allegedely the head of john the baptist. Is this what they found? But why should finding the head of john cause them to lose their faith? Unless of course, they found something else along with it.

15: since we have strong reason to believe that "jesus" as we know him did not exist, what does this tell os about john? From the same source that gives us the name of the real jesus, and the name of the real mary, we also find the name of the real john. Who of course had been close to our jesus, and beheaded as well. Given that the people who beheaded him were experts at embalming, and saved the head as a peace offering to our jesus, there is room to speculate that this head could have survived to be found by the crusaders.

16: What does the persecution of the crusaders, the persecution of this cult in southern france, and their final/combined effort to secure the grail tell us?

17: Latest news: 50% of Europeans have genes in common with the ancient egyptians. Now combinatorics tell us that if a man produces just ONE child, 50% of the population in that local area, 1000 years later, will be related to him.


--no names, no references. I want you to focus on the story, not the people. But do your own research, and figure it out.

*"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."

edit: -if you're into annunaki and stuff, you really should dive into the sumerian equivalent of venus.


1 and 2: Not a big fan of wiki, but your first claim is easily refuted. Most know that it was invented by the Carthiginians or possibly the Persians:
Crucifixion is an ancient method of painful execution in which the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (of various shapes) and left to hang until dead. The term comes from the Latin crucifixio ("fixing to a cross", from the prefix cruci-, from crux ("cross"), + verb figere, "fix or bind fast").[1]

Crucifixion was in use particularly among the Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD. In the year 337, Emperor Constantine I abolished it in the Roman Empire, out of veneration for Jesus Christ, the most famous victim of crucifixion.[2][3] It was also used as a form of execution in Japan for criminals, inflicted also on some Christians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)

Crucifixion is described in Psalms 22 of the Bible a thousand years before the crucifixion of Jesus (His Hebrew name is Yshua)

Crucifixion was invented by the Persians between 300-400 b.c. (Before the time that Jesus was crucified). It was "perfected" by the Romans in the first century b.c. It is arguably the most painful death ever invented by man and is where we get our term "excruciating."
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_crucifixion_invented

3: Josephus (A.D. 37 - c. A.D. 100), Tacitus (c. A.D. 55 - c. A.D. 117), Suetonius (c. A.D. 69 - c. A.D. 140), Julius Africanus (c. 160 - c. 240), Origen (c. 185 - c. 254), Pliny the Younger (c. 62 - c. 113) http://www.rationalchristianity.net/jesus_extrabib.html

4: I don't need any links for this refute. It is common knowledge that Nero blamed the Christians for the fire in Rome 64 A.D. You know, Nero, a Roman ruler before Constantine. :alien51:

5: Interesting claim but since your entire post contains no links to your vast knowledge I wouldn't even know where to begin.

6-12: Now you've really lost me. Your cryptic statements elevate you up there with all the others who KNOW. Been reading a little Dan Brown have we? Also, I think with your knowledge you might want to be aware of this: http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

13: I'm curious, what did they find?

14: So basically you are just regurgitating Templar and Sword and Grail legend, yet stating it as facts. Cool.

15: Old Testament which not only prophesied Jesus, also prophesied John the Baptist. There is absolutely NO evidence for anything in your statement. And again, only this current moronic generation ever doubted the existence of Jesus. His execution is even found in the Talmud. The Jewish leaders couldn't stand Him, why did they not produce His body to shut up the annoying Christians? Why record an execution that never took place? Your funny!

16: I don't know, what does it tell us?

17: My Grandmothers family is German for a long time, yet when she had here blood tested for genealogy, the test showed her ancestors originated from the Middle East. Pretty neat!

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PostFri Sep 09, 2011 5:16 pm » by Truthdefender


...almost forgot, besides Sitchin where can we find translations of this Sumerian Venus stuff.
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/


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PostFri Sep 09, 2011 5:24 pm » by Boondox681


nice post :clapper:

i've always liked this one too...
Consider Jesus attitude to those who had grown rich at the peasants expense;
“Yes, I tell you again, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 19:24 NJB)


i wouldn't say jesus was a terrorist,
but i would say he's a marxist/communist/socialist/liberal/democrat/proggressive

plus he was a hippie so he probably smelled.
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PostSat Sep 10, 2011 8:09 pm » by Yarblis


khnumkhufu wrote:
georgedragon wrote:"By Symbols is man guided and commanded, made happy, made wretched. He everywhere finds himself encompassed with Symbols, recognized as such or not recognized: the Universe is but one vast Symbol of God; nay, if thou wilt have it, what is man himself but a Symbol of God; is not all that he does symbolical; a revelation to Sense of the mystic God-given force that is in him; a Gospel of Freedom, which he, the Messiah of Nature, preaches, as he can, by word and act? Not a Hut he builds but is the visible embodiment of a Thought; but bears visible record of invisible things; but is, in the transcendental sense, symbolical as well as real."

:pray:

-kind of makes me wish I was the kind of person that could walk into a room he didn't know how to get out of...

here's a few little factoids for the jesus freaks, ripoffs, backwards-ripoffs and holier-than-thou-backwards-ripoffs… plus some more below.

1: at the the time of the alleged jesus romans did NOT crucify people in the way we understand crucifixion, ie on a cross. The cross was a HOLY symbol to the romans and they would not DREAM of deifying slaves, criminals, and the likes by nailing them to a holy symbol. The practice consisted of nailing them to an upright pole, or whatever was at hand eg, a tree, wall etc.

2: crucifixion as we understand it was invented around year 300 as a combination of two punishments, the first being "walking the yoke" - being chased around the city (with the arms attached to a horizontal 'yoke') and scorned, the second being crucifixion in the old sense. To sum up: walk the yoke + crucifixion. Sound familiar to you?

3: There is a consensus amongst historians that we do NOT have ANY historical evidence WHATSOEVER of the alleged jesus.

4: It is also common knowledge that the cult around the alleged jesus found its form (as we know it) and flourished around year 300. We can thank emperor constantin for this. Yes, the guy that made christianity roman state religion. Basically he rounded up all the leaders of cults around this weird "jesus" fellow, and forced them to get their act together and decide upon the gospels so he could have his state religion. On a sidenote constantine was never baptized, even refused to on his deathbed. Matthew 7*, anyone? ;)

5: Funny enough there was another cult around this time that suddenly disappeared. At the time of disappearance it had been around for some 350 years.

6: This cult was based around a person we do have plenty of historical evidence about. This person was deifyed after his death. But even while living he pointed out time and again that he was the direct descendant of the goddess venus. During a period of his life he even was a high priest himself.

…and a few clues to the bloodline lovers:

7: He was also deifyed by the woman he had a son with. This woman also regarded herself as a descendant of the gods - she has been seen depicting herself as hathor - which btw & iirc could bee seen as the egyptian equivalent of venus. He was (fittingly) depicted as horus, god of the sky, god of war, and god of protection.

8: This woman's name/title can be translated to 'mary'

9: The bloodline issue was of the UTMOST importance to this woman.

10: Although this woman committed suicide while the boy was at an early age, he lived to be around 16 before he was (allegedly?) murdered.

11: As most of the men reading this will probably agree on, it is safe to assume that a boy of royal descent and with near-unlimited powers would have had apt opportunity to sew his oats, thus keeping the bloodline intact.

12: having the boys fate in mind, it is thus not entirely improbable to imagine a ship landing in he south of france in the dead of night (as reported by some), bringing with it a black woman and the holy grail. On a side note, it is historical fact that some of the people here were of the utmost loyal ones towards this grail's grandfather. It is also in this region we later in history see some of the most brutal persecution from perverted (read constantin's) christianity, AND yet another escape of the grail by help of some of the crusaders.

…as for the crusaders:

13: it seems early crusaders found something in the holy land that did not only cause them to lose their faith, but also caused them to become immensely wealthy, and granted them protection from the church. At least for a period of time.

14: There have been some reports (and later accusations) of the crusaders worshipping a skull/head, allegedely the head of john the baptist. Is this what they found? But why should finding the head of john cause them to lose their faith? Unless of course, they found something else along with it.

15: since we have strong reason to believe that "jesus" as we know him did not exist, what does this tell os about john? From the same source that gives us the name of the real jesus, and the name of the real mary, we also find the name of the real john. Who of course had been close to our jesus, and beheaded as well. Given that the people who beheaded him were experts at embalming, and saved the head as a peace offering to our jesus, there is room to speculate that this head could have survived to be found by the crusaders.

16: What does the persecution of the crusaders, the persecution of this cult in southern france, and their final/combined effort to secure the grail tell us?

17: Latest news: 50% of Europeans have genes in common with the ancient egyptians. Now combinatorics tell us that if a man produces just ONE child, 50% of the population in that local area, 1000 years later, will be related to him.


--no names, no references. I want you to focus on the story, not the people. But do your own research, and figure it out.

*"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."

edit: -if you're into annunaki and stuff, you really should dive into the sumerian equivalent of venus.

If you continue to live in the past,you will never make it into the future.Stop trying to prove them wrong,you're wasting your time,they will never be convinced.They are true believers.You will only succeed in frustrating yourself.Could they convince you that they are right?Why do you care?Are you afraid they might beright and are attempting to find out?

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PostSat Sep 10, 2011 10:33 pm » by Khnumkhufu


@thruthdefender:

1 and 2: IIRC the word for crucifixion comes from our understanding of it, per the fixing on a cross. So this kind of logic seems backwards to me.

3: I did not check your links, but how can they be anything else than hearsay? Still, it proves nothing beyond what I was saying: that stories were circulating that gave birth to the fictional jesus.

4: I did not say christianity did not exist before 300, only that it found its current form under constantine.

5: OK, time to spill the beans, look up julius christos. Or divus julius, if you prefer. You might want to have a look at his birth star, while you're at it.

6-12: Dan Brown is an amateur ;) Julius did exist. Julius' most loyal followers in france were found in the south of france. Julius produced a son with Cleopatra. For some clues about how the divus julius cult could transform into the jesus christos cult, have a look here.

13: I wish I knew, it would probably make me a very rich man. Although I wouldn't like to share fate with neither the templars, the cathars, or Sauniere ;)

14: Not really, I'm trying to make sense of it all. Now obviously I believe in this 'god', and I'm beginning to believe in some of the other 'gods' he and others are referring to. (And then I believe in GOD, but that's another matter. :)

15: Which would make it all the easier for constantine & co.

16: come on!

17: I can trace my history 450 years back, and it's probably safe to say there's a little Julius in me too. Besides, I'll regard anyone telling me he spent eight years in france without doing a little sowing himself as a liar.

In other words, he is the true vine, we are the branches ;)

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PostSun Sep 11, 2011 4:10 pm » by Yarblis


khnumkhufu wrote:@thruthdefender:

1 and 2: IIRC the word for crucifixion comes from our understanding of it, per the fixing on a cross. So this kind of logic seems backwards to me.

3: I did not check your links, but how can they be anything else than hearsay? Still, it proves nothing beyond what I was saying: that stories were circulating that gave birth to the fictional jesus.

4: I did not say christianity did not exist before 300, only that it found its current form under constantine.

5: OK, time to spill the beans, look up julius christos. Or divus julius, if you prefer. You might want to have a look at his birth star, while you're at it.

6-12: Dan Brown is an amateur ;) Julius did exist. Julius' most loyal followers in france were found in the south of france. Julius produced a son with Cleopatra. For some clues about how the divus julius cult could transform into the jesus christos cult, have a look here.

13: I wish I knew, it would probably make me a very rich man. Although I wouldn't like to share fate with neither the templars, the cathars, or Sauniere ;)

14: Not really, I'm trying to make sense of it all. Now obviously I believe in this 'god', and I'm beginning to believe in some of the other 'gods' he and others are referring to. (And then I believe in GOD, but that's another matter. :)

15: Which would make it all the easier for constantine & co.

16: come on!

17: I can trace my history 450 years back, and it's probably safe to say there's a little Julius in me too. Besides, I'll regard anyone telling me he spent eight years in france without doing a little sowing himself as a liar.

In other words, he is the true vine, we are the branches ;)

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PostTue Sep 13, 2011 3:22 am » by Truthdefender


khnumkhufu wrote:@thruthdefender:

1 and 2: IIRC the word for crucifixion comes from our understanding of it, per the fixing on a cross. So this kind of logic seems backwards to me.

3: I did not check your links, but how can they be anything else than hearsay? Still, it proves nothing beyond what I was saying: that stories were circulating that gave birth to the fictional jesus.

4: I did not say christianity did not exist before 300, only that it found its current form under constantine.

5: OK, time to spill the beans, look up julius christos. Or divus julius, if you prefer. You might want to have a look at his birth star, while you're at it.

6-12: Dan Brown is an amateur ;) Julius did exist. Julius' most loyal followers in france were found in the south of france. Julius produced a son with Cleopatra. For some clues about how the divus julius cult could transform into the jesus christos cult, have a look here.

13: I wish I knew, it would probably make me a very rich man. Although I wouldn't like to share fate with neither the templars, the cathars, or Sauniere ;)

14: Not really, I'm trying to make sense of it all. Now obviously I believe in this 'god', and I'm beginning to believe in some of the other 'gods' he and others are referring to. (And then I believe in GOD, but that's another matter. :)

15: Which would make it all the easier for constantine & co.

16: come on!

17: I can trace my history 450 years back, and it's probably safe to say there's a little Julius in me too. Besides, I'll regard anyone telling me he spent eight years in france without doing a little sowing himself as a liar.

In other words, he is the true vine, we are the branches ;)

@yarbiis: I'm not afraid. Khnum told me not to.


Thank you for responding in such a manner. This is how people have a real discussion, something which seems to be lost to the current memebership of this site. You post info, I respond and vice versa. Any way, I was being a little sarcastic with you because you made all these claims with no links and I truly did not know what you were talking about.
As far as number one, I was just showing you that crucifixion was around far longer than you claimed and was never held in reverence. It was eventually abolished because of the Roman Empire's conversion to Christianity.

For number 3, Hearsay? Really? Hearsay is your post in its entirety. I wouldn't exactly call the most famous of Historians of that time hearsay. If you cannot even research the refutes to your claims, then your claims become even far less valuable. You become the classic regurgitator of someone else's info. Just repeating something that you really have business even having an opinion on at all.

4, Christianity has no current form. If you are speaking of the Catholic Church, then yes Constantine and the Roman perversion of Christianity are alive and well. But there are true Christians in every church.

5.) I checked your links. Wuite interesting I had never heard these theories. However, the author and yourself seem to be willfully ignorant of ancient Jewish culture and tradition. Jesus, who according to everyone but people born in the last 45 years ago did exist. And according to Christians was the fulfillment of over 100 prophecies. These can be easily researched by anyone who is not afraid to find the ansers. As far as the Star of Bethlehem being a later tradition of this Caeser's comet, most historians and theologians do not believe the Star of Bethlehem to have been a comet. Most believe it was an alignment of Venus and Jupiter creating the brightest thing that had ever been in the sky.

All I can say is that this sounds just like the zeitgeist propaganda that the world is currently falling for becasue they refuse to research the info.

This claim of the Julius cult giving birth to Christianity carries no water whatsoever to anyone who will look into the matter. Where did these sayings of Jesus come from in that case? Are you saying that the Gospel writers left the cult and changed the figurehead to suit some higher agenda? That somehow they collaborated on their books to push this non-existant Jesus dude? Remember if this cult existed as you claim there would have been plenty of people still alive to quickly refute their claim. Neither the Jews nor the Romans ever did that. On the contrary they just sought to discredit Him as the Son of God.

Below are some links to other threads that you may find interesting as well as a look at the Hebrew language that in and of itself should debunk the zeitgeist type BS for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. You can not debunk prophecy. The Bible said it ahead of time, it happened and hear we are. You know the only peole who attack the prophecies of the Bible are the Jews. Because they see the fulfillment in Jesus but they refuse to accept that they murdered their long awaited Promised One and have been blinded by God until the time of the end when He will open their eyes and redeem the. No one else (zeitgeist, Islam, atheists) dare even wpeak of prophecy--for the most part--because it destroys their theories and premises. Thanks for the info.


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