last week no chemtralils this week look up at the sky

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PostMon Jan 31, 2011 2:14 pm » by Truthseeker

last week nice blue sky each morning same jets last week ,from sunday mass spraying of the air above the uk ,my conclusion the fuel producers moniter the weather and sell or give airlines shit fuel when its due to rain ,check it out the sky today is gradualy smogin up ,listen to lindsey williams talking with alex jones they hit it on the head chemtrails always are sprayed in front of a rain storm or rain on its way ,the air quality today poor in uk ,the temp this morning minus 8 so on a day like that you should have nice winter blue sky but since the mass spraying started sunday jan 30 th the sky is just smogin up and the cold temprature out in the uk is forcing the air quality from the mass spraying down onto the poor population of the uk who dont have a clue on this ,what is quiet anoying bird twitchers where out yesterday watching birds and counting them ,why dont they ask why the sky is being sprayed do they wait for dead birds as we have noticed in the last few weeks just droping out of the sky ,we all should loby the uk joke parliment and ask why they allow the sky to be polutede by shell and its oil baron crooks with help from the rest of the fuel producers is there differnt grades of fuel for the weather to be controlled .
there are no special jets for spraying there are just airlines who every day are duped or coned or miss sold fuel to fly there jets ,we had no problem when they used clean fuel who is pulling the strings goverments fuel barons or global warming barons who desire the future of the melting alaska and green land and the new deal with russia mr bp you are in it as well so why do we put up with airlines who spray or clean air ,yes it should be so clean no dirty industry in uk anymore due to China taking it all so the uk today should have clean air .
so twitchers and all of the rest of you wake up and stop the madness of the skyies being sprayed so you and your families end up taking drugs to stop your throats from cloging up with all kinds of problems and your breathing gets harder due to the quality of your air full of cancer producing products .

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PostMon Jan 31, 2011 2:18 pm » by Truthseeker

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An Airbus A310 being fueled at Prague Airport.Jet fuel is a type of aviation fuel designed for use in aircraft powered by gas-turbine engines. It is clear to straw-colored in appearance. The most commonly used fuels for commercial aviation are Jet A and Jet A-1 which are produced to a standardized international specification. The only other jet fuel commonly used in civilian turbine-engine powered aviation is Jet B which is used for its enhanced cold-weather performance.

Jet fuel is a mixture of a large number of different hydrocarbons. The range of their sizes (molecular weights or carbon numbers) is restricted by the requirements for the product, for example, the freezing point or smoke point. Kerosene-type jet fuel (including Jet A and Jet A-1) has a carbon number distribution between about 8 and 16 carbon numbers; wide-cut or naphtha-type jet fuel (including Jet B), between about 5 and 15 carbon numbers.[1]

Contents [hide]
1 History of jet fuel
2 Types
2.1 Differences between Jet A and Jet A-1
2.2 Typical physical properties for Jet A and Jet A-1
2.3 Jet B
3 Additives
4 Water in jet fuel
5 Military jet fuels
6 Piston engine use
7 Synthetic jet fuel
8 Jet biofuels
9 See also
10 References
11 External links

[edit] History of jet fuelFuel for a piston-engine powered aircraft (usually a high-octane gasoline known as avgas) has a low flash point to improve its ignition characteristics. Turbine engines can operate with a wide range of fuels, and jet-aircraft engines typically use fuels with higher flash points, which are less flammable and therefore safer to transport and handle. The first jet fuels were based on kerosene or a gasoline-kerosene mix, and most jet fuels are still kerosene-based.

[edit] Types[edit] Differences between Jet A and Jet A-1
Shell Jet A-1 refueller truck on the ramp at Vancouver International Airport. Notice the signs indicating 1863 hazardous material and JET A-1.
A US Airways Boeing 757 being fueled at Fort Lauderdale – Hollywood International Airport.Jet A specification fuel has been used in the United States since the 1950s and is only available in the United States, whereas Jet A-1 is the standard specification fuel used in the rest of the world. Both Jet A and Jet A-1 have a relatively high flash point of 38 °C (100 °F), with an autoignition temperature of 210 °C (410 °F). This means that the fuel is safer to handle than traditional avgas.

The primary differences between Jet A and Jet A-1 are the higher freezing point of Jet A (−40 °C vs −47 °C for Jet A-1), and the mandatory requirement for the addition of an anti-static additive to Jet A-1.

Like Jet A-1, Jet A can be identified in trucks and storage facilities by the UN number 1863 Hazardous Material placards.[2] Jet A trucks, storage tanks, and pipes that carry Jet A are marked with a black sticker with a white "Jet A" written over it, next to another black stripe.

The annual U.S. usage of jet fuel was 21 billion gallons (80 billion litres) in 2006.[3]

[edit] Typical physical properties for Jet A and Jet A-1Jet A-1 Fuel must meet the specification for DEF STAN 91-91 (Jet A-1), ASTM specification D1655 (Jet A-1) and IATA Guidance Material (Kerosine Type), NATO Code F-35.

Jet A Fuel must reach ASTM specification D1655 (Jet A) [4]

Jet A-1 Jet A
Flash point > 38 °C (100.4 °F)
Autoignition temperature 210 °C (410 °F)
Freezing point < −47 °C (−52.6 °F) < −40 °C (−40 °F)
Open air burning temperatures 287.5 °C (549.5 °F)
Density at 15 °C (59 °F) 0.775 kg/L to 0.840 kg/L
Specific energy > 42.80 MJ/kg
[edit] Jet BJet B is a fuel in the naphtha-kerosene region that is used for its enhanced cold-weather performance. However, Jet B's lighter composition makes it more dangerous to handle.[5] For this reason it is rarely used, except in very cold climates.

[edit] AdditivesThe DEF STAN 91-91 (UK) and ASTM D1655 (international) specifications allow for certain additives to be added to jet fuel, including:[6][7]

Antioxidants to prevent gumming, usually based on alkylated phenols, e.g., AO-30, AO-31, or AO-37;
Antistatic agents, to dissipate static electricity and prevent sparking; Stadis 450, with dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid (DINNSA) as the active ingredient, is an example
Corrosion inhibitors, e.g., DCI-4A used for civilian and military fuels, and DCI-6A used for military fuels;
Fuel System Icing Inhibitor (FSII) agents, e.g., Di-EGME; FSII is often mixed at the point-of-sale so that users with heated fuel lines do not have to pay the extra expense.
Biocides are to remediate microbial (i.e., bacterial and fungal) growth present in aircraft fuel systems. Currently, two biocides are approved for use by most aircraft and turbine engine original equipment manufacturers (OEMs); Kathon FP1.5 Microbiocide and Biobor JF.[8]
Metal deactivator can be added to remediate the deleterious effects of trace metals on the thermal stability of the fuel. The one allowable additive is N,N’-disalicylidene 1,2-propanediamine.
[edit] Water in jet fuelIt is very important that jet fuel be free from water contamination. During flight, the temperature of the fuel in the tanks decreases, due to the low temperatures in the upper atmosphere. This causes precipitation of the dissolved water from the fuel. The separated water then drops to the bottom of the tank, because it is denser than the fuel. From this time on, as the water is no longer in solution, it can freeze, blocking fuel inlet pipes. Removing all water from fuel is impractical, therefore fuel heaters are usually used on commercial aircraft to prevent water in fuel from freezing.

There are several methods for detecting water in jet fuel. A visual check may detect high concentrations of suspended water, as this will cause the fuel to become hazy in appearance. An industry standard chemical test for the detection of free water in jet fuel uses a water-sensitive filter pad that turns green if the fuel exceeds the specification limit of 30ppm (parts per million) free water.[9]

[edit] Military jet fuelsMilitary organizations around the world use a different classification system of JP numbers. Some are almost identical to their civilian counterparts and differ only by the amounts of a few additives; Jet A-1 is similar to JP-8, Jet B is similar to JP-4. Other military fuels are highly specialized products and are developed for very specific applications. JP-5 fuel is fairly common, and was introduced to reduce the risk of fire on aircraft carriers (has a higher flash point - a minimum of 60 °C). Other fuels were specific to one type of aircraft. JP-6 was developed specifically for the XB-70 Valkyrie and JP-7 for the SR-71 Blackbird. Both these fuels were engineered to have a high flash point to better cope with the heat and stresses of high speed supersonic flight. One aircraft-specific jet fuel still in use by the United States Air Force is JPTS, which was developed in 1956 for the Lockheed U-2 spy plane.

Jet fuels are sometimes classified as kerosene or naphtha-type.[citation needed] Kerosene-type fuels include Jet A, Jet A-1, JP-5 and JP-8. Naphtha-type jet fuels, sometimes referred to as "wide-cut" jet fuel, include Jet B and JP-4.[citation needed]

[edit] Piston engine useJet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and in some cases, may be burned in diesel engines. The possibility of environmental legislation banning the use of leaded avgas, and the lack of a replacement fuel with similar performance, has left aircraft designers and pilot's organizations searching for alternative engines for use in small aircraft.[10] As a result, a few aircraft engine manufacturers, most notably Thielert, have begun offering diesel aircraft engines which run on jet fuel. This technology has potential to simplify airport logistics by reducing the number of fuel types required. Jet fuel is available in most places in the world, whereas avgas is only widely available in a few countries which have a large number of general aviation aircraft. A diesel engine may also potentially be more environmentally friendly and fuel-efficient than an avgas engine. However, very few diesel aircraft engines have been certified by aviation authorities, and widespread use of diesel aircraft engines is still years in the future.

Jet fuel is often used in ground support vehicles at airports, instead of diesel. The United States military makes heavy use of JP-8, for instance. However, jet fuel tends to have poor lubricating ability in comparison to diesel, thereby increasing wear on fuel pumps and other related engine parts.[citation needed] Civilian vehicles tend to disallow its use, or require that an additive be mixed with the jet fuel to restore its lubricity. Since jet fuel is also significantly more expensive than diesel, some critics[who?] consider using jet fuel in ground vehicles as wasteful.

[edit] Synthetic jet fuelMain article: Synthetic fuel
A significant effort is under way to certify Fischer–Tropsch (FT) synthetic fuels for use in U.S. and international aviation fleets. In this effort is being led by an industry coalition known as the Commercial Aviation Alternative Fuels Initiative (CAAFI),[11] also supported by a parallel initiative under way in the U.S. Air Force,[12] to certify FT fuel for use in all aviation platforms. The U.S. Air Force has a stated goal of certifying its entire fleet for use with FT synthetic fuel blends by 2011.[13] The CAAFI initiative aims to certify the civilian aviation fleet for FT synthetic fuels blends by 2010, and has programs under way to certify HRJ hydrogenated biofuels as early as 2013.[14]

Synthetic jet fuels show a reduction in pollutants such as SOx, NOx, particulate matter, and hydrocarbon emissions.[15] It is envisaged that usage of synthetic jet fuels will increase air quality around airports which will be particularly advantageous at inner city airports.[16]

Qatar Airways became the first airline to operate a commercial flight on a 50:50 blend of synthetic GTL jet fuel and conventional jet fuel. The natural gas derived synthetic kerosene for the six-hour flight from London to Doha came from Shell’s GTL plant in Bintulu, Malaysia.[17]
The world's first passenger aircraft flight to use only synthetic jet fuel was from Lanseria International Airport to Cape Town International Airport on 22 September 2010. The fuel was developed by Sasol.[18]
[edit] Jet biofuelsMain article: Aviation biofuel
The air transport industry is responsible for 2 percent of man-made carbon dioxide emitted .[19] Boeing estimates that biofuels could reduce flight-related greenhouse-gas emissions by 60 to 80 percent. One possible solution which has received more media coverage than others would be blending synthetic fuel derived from algae with existing jet fuel:[20]

Green Flight International became the first airline to fly jet aircraft on 100% biofuel. The flight from Stead airport in Reno, Nevada was in an Aero L-29 Delfín piloted by Carol Sugars and Douglas Rodante.[21]

Boeing and Air New Zealand are collaborating with Tecbio [22] Aquaflow Bionomic and other jet biofuel developers around the world.
Virgin Atlantic successfully tested a biofuel blend consisting of 20% babassu nuts and coconut and 80% conventional jet fuel, which was fed to a single engine on a 747 flight from London to Amsterdam.[23]
A consortium consisting of Boeing, NASA's Glenn Research Center, MTU Aero Engines (Germany), and the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory is working on development of jet fuel blends containing a substantial percentage of biofuel.[24]
Oil prices increased about fivefold from 2003 to 2008, raising fears that world petroleum production is becoming unable to keep up with demand. The fact that there are few alternatives to petroleum for aviation fuel adds urgency to the search for alternatives. Twenty-five airlines were bankrupted or stopped operations in the first six months of 2008, largely due to fuel costs.[25]

[edit] See alsoKerosene
Algal fuel

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PostMon Jan 31, 2011 2:22 pm » by Truthseeker

Chemtrails - JP8 & EDB

By Margareta-Erminia Cassani
> 8-4-00

Since early on in the Chemtrails investigation, it was reported that JP8 fuel, the fuel used commonly by military jets, contained EDB, ethylene dibromide, a known carcinogen. And, necessarily then, if Chemtrails were made by military jets, we, an unwitting public, were breathing in EDB. This was, in part, based on the report of a laboratory sample of "aviation fuel" that was cited in an early Chemtrails investigation story.

It is hard to know exactly what transpired with this sample of "aviation fuel", whether it truly was what it was purported to be by the source who offered the sample, or if that sample was "spiked" with EDB somehow before it reached the lab. Although the source who offered the sample was originally thought to be credible, and the results of this sample were reported as was stated on its laboratory analysis sheet as containing EDB, it is possible that this sample of "aviation fuel" and/or the laboratory results of what it contained, may have been altered by a person, or persons, with questionable credibility, who thereby, perhaps, created the now legendary idea, that has been spread far and wide across the Internet, that jet fuel contains EDB. Extensive research has proven that this is not fact.

All the research that I have done on this subject has turned up nothing to support the claim that JP8, or JP- 8+100 (military jet fuels) or any other military or commercial fuels, contain EDB now, nor did they ever.

So, again, to set the record straight, I am sharing some of my research notes on this subject with readers to allay any fears that Chemtrails are causing us to breathe in carcinogens in the form of EDB. This is research gleaned from interviews with Mr. Chuck L. Davis of NASA,s Fuel Propulsion Studies, the United States Air Force, an independent researcher at the University of North Carolina, and the Environmental Protection Agency.

Because JP8 and JP-8+100 are military jet fuels, necessarily, my sources regarding the contents of JP8 were government/military sources. No commercial airlines uses JP8, therefore, no commercial airlines were contacted. Commercial airliners use a derivation of JP-8 - JP5 and/or JP6, et al, none of which contain EDB either.


Ethylene dibromide was used as an additive in aviation gasolines during World War II. It should be stressed that the terms "aviation" and "jet" are not synonymous with each other as it seems that some information put out over the Internet seems to blur the two terms together as if they are one and the same. They are not. The additive EDB was used to help stop lead in aviation gasoline from plating out on valves, or what is more commonly referred to as "engine knock" or "knocking". EDB was an anti-knock additive. The additive was never needed for jet fuel since jet fuel does not contain lead and therefore does not "knock". EDB was an additive in leaded automobile fuel (most readers will remember "anti-knock formula" gasolines pre-unleaded gas era at their local gas station) until it was outlawed by the EPA in 1984. It has not been present since in any automotive or aviation fuel. It has never been present in jet fuel, Jet A-1, which is the precursor to JP8 and JP-8+100.

Ethylene dibromide, pre-EPA ban in 1984, was also used as an insecticide, pest, nematode fumigant sprayed on citrus, vegetables, and grain crops, and as a fumigant used on golf courses. The EPA ban in 1984 prohibited the use of EDB as a soil and grain fumigant. The EPA ranks ethylene dibromide as a "probable human carcinogen (cancer-causing agent)" and has ranked it in EPA's Group B2. The term "probable carcinogen" had been assigned to EDB because studies done on rats indicated that EDB was carcinogenic to the rats tested, however, two studies done on humans revealed conflicting results and it was thought that some factors in those studies might have been flawed. However, the EPA ruled on the side of safety and banned EDB as a carcinogenic agent.

Ethylene dibromide is STILL currently used in the treatment of downed logs for bark beetles, termite control, wax moths, Japanese beetle on ornamental plants. It is also used as an intermediate for dyes, resins, waxes and gums [EPA IRIS Fact Sheet, ethylene dibromide, 1999].


It has not been determined what Chemtrails contain either chemically, bacteriologically, or virologically as, to date, no aerosol testing or spectragraphic analysis of Chemtrail aerosol has been done. However, I cannot stress clearly enough to an increasingly worried public that Chemtrails cannot contain ethylene dibromide as the jet fuel used in either military or commercial jets do not contain EDB.

EBD has been present in the environment much longer than Chemtrails, in the form of ambient (surrounding) air emissions from production/processing facilities, i.e., industries that use ethylene dibromide (e.g., dry cleaning establishments, manufacturing plants). It is thought that EDB exposure from industries occurs in two ways:

Inhalation of ambient air near industries that use ethylene dibromide The most common route of exposure, however, for the general population is the drinking of contaminated water, especially well water. Another possible exposure method is near a chemical waste site where EDB has leached into the soil and/or into nearby water sources.

*NOTE: There are no reliable medical tests to assess if someone has been exposed to ethylene dibromide.

WHAT IS JP8, JP-8+100 JET FUEL? As mentioned above, JP-8, and JP-8+100, are jet fuels used in military jets It is primarily kerosene, a petroleum distillate. It is manufactured by the fuel producer who must meet both chemical and physical properties which ensure proper aircraft (jet) operation.

Fuel additives allowed in JP8 and JP-8+100 include: the use of antioxidants and metal deactivators and for some aircraft fuel systems icing inhibitor and static dissipater additive. None of these additives are, or contain, EDB. [Re: Memorandum: To Whom It May Concern PROM: AFRL/PR, Subject: Public Release Statement on JP-8+100 fuels, United States Air Force, ASC/PA, phone (937) 255-2725]

I hope this information helps to dispel the rumors circulating on the Internet and on certain radio talk shows that EDB is, or was, present in military or commercial jet fuel and this is the agent in "Chemtrails" that is making everyone ill. As I have noted in a previous article, it is my belief, derived from extensive interviews of people claiming to have "CRI", i.e., Chemtrail Related Illness, that the illness and/or symptom causing agents in "Chemtrails" is a mixture of possibly several elements which can cause allergic-type reaction symptoms such as headache, tightness in the throat which later progresses to a very sort throat and/or ears, loss of voice, either temporarily or for days, coughing, runny, watery eyes and nose. These allergic reactions are frequently accompanied by bacterial, viral and/or fungal infections that set in along with them as allergic reactions can set the stage for any ambient microbes (either bacterial, viral or fungal) which may be circulating at the time of the exposure that make it very easy for infections to more easily take hold.

It is my thought, at this point, that these allergic-symptom-causing agents are possibly mixtures of aluminum particulate which is perhaps being used to deflect damaging UV rays backward from the earth; and a high carbon burn-off particulate from JP-8 or JP-8+100 fuel used in the jets involved in placing the aluminum reflectant into the atmosphere. Note: Aluminum has NOT been found in Chemtrails to date. This is at the time- being a speculation based on rainwater samples that showed an increased level of aluminum. However, the source of that rainwater aluminum has not, to date, been identified as a contrail. Possible other chemical agents may be present in contrail/Chemtrails. This is only a research-to-date best-conjecture based on the vast amount of health reports compiled from around the country of symptoms people claim to suffer after exposed to unusual contrail/Chemtrail activity in the skies above their neighborhoods, etc.

As stated before, to date, no specific, objective, quantifiable data is available regarding the chemical (if any) content of Chemtrails. Until that information can be obtained via either spectragraphic analysis and/or actual Chemtrail aerosol capture, to reveal exactly what chemicals (or any other substance) are present in Chemtrails, it is impossible to know what is the exact mechanism that is making some people sick. However, as contrails/Chemtrails are caused by jets using jet fuel, and jet fuel (either military or commercial grade), does not contain EDB, it is a very safe and logical assumption that Chemtrails do NOT contain ethylene dibromide - EDB.

I hope this information allays at least some of the fears and worries people have regarding contents of Chemtrails known to date. For further information regarding the health hazards of EDB, please visit the Environmental Protection Agency,s IRIS site listed below, or do a search on EDB and/or JP8 at the Environmental Health Services website.


The following is a list of sources I contacted regarding both JP8 fuel and EDB. Anyone may contact them, as I did, and ask about the validity of what is contained in this report:

NASA Jet Fuel Propulsion Studies, Chuck L. Davis,

United States Air Force, John Tews, Public Information,

Professor David Leith, University of North Carolina,

Environmental Protection Agency, Integrated Research Information Sheets [IRIS ]Fact Sheets, via Environmental Health Service,

I welcome all feedback regarding the above statements which are true and verifiable to the best of my research sources. or

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PostMon Jan 31, 2011 2:24 pm » by Truthseeker

Chemtrails - JP8 Tungsten
Jet Fuel - Leukemia Clusters
From George Holden

Bingo ! This is becoming obvious to all of us who have done our homework over the last several years. Here's an opportunity to chip away at part of the jet-aerosol chaff operations via concerned citizens coalitions that are working against Leukemia clusters globally+gulf war vets. There's a growing constituency within these groups mounting globally. Now's the time more than ever to network with the Leukemia+Gulf War groups and concerned citizens abroad if you create the time. This is may be our last chance. Yes, the aerosols tie in with DARPA and biologicals.......taggant weapons.....

I contacted Dee Lewis, activist grassroots organizer of C.R.I. (Citizens Response Initiative), a resident leading grass-roots investigation of the Calvine-Florin area's cancer incidence via JP8-tungsten. Lewis is leading a grass-roots community effort to find the reasons behind a spate of leukemia and lymphoma cases in and around her subdivision just north of Elk Grove, CA. Driven by a sense that something is amiss in the local environment, Lewis has not accepted "random occurrence" as an answer. After the Sacramento Bee article came out last weekend I decided it was time to contact her. She lives about 20 minutes away from me and we're meeting this Saturday for the first time.

There's a small airport (Sacramento Executive Airport) due south , approx about 5 miles of where Hope and I live and just slightly southwest 3 miles of where the Leukemia clusters are in Dee Lewis' neighborhood.

I have seen KC-135 and KC 150 tanker planes come from this direction directly overhead north since 1999 (actual ops 1996), spraying aerosol chaff cloud shielding that lingered for hours. My thoughts? These jets are dumping fuel near landing at the airports around these homes. There's no JP8 fuel lines running through the Elk Grove neighborhood. Tungsten has been found in tree samples near the Leukemia clusters.What else? Spraying on our children,animals, farm crops and water? Tungsten was not found in the earlier tree ring samples as mentioned in the URL below until recently. There was a note below:

Tungsten is used to harden turbine blades in jet engines, Aluminum Oxide is an abrasive. If Aluminum Oxide was being directly injected into jet engines. NOTE: aluminum, oxides are confirmed in use within numerous govt documents on aerosol chaf

Human and Environmental Health Issues Related to Use of Radio Frequency Chaff ... dchaff.pdf

Edward Teller's 'Global Warming Mitigation' plan utilizing 100 tons of aluminum oxide
sprayed via aerosols as a reflective shield against the sun and ozone hole caused by
greenhouse gases. In addition, it is estimated that the U.S. Armed Forces dispense about
500 tons of aluminum chaff per year (USAF 2001), with most (but not all) aluminum chaff
being released during training exercises within the continental United States (conservative)

Edward Tellers 'sun screen' document: Global Warming and Ice Ages: I.
Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change, E. Teller et al.,
August 15, 1997, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, as PDF: ... hnotes.pdf

Is there any tie in with testing the new MOAB Daisy Cutter here? ... 30225.html

We know that aluminum oxides,thorium,barium,nickel are in the mix. of these cloud aerosols....Tungsten is relatively new. Perhaps with the grit plumes affecting the turbine engine blades and jack screws and all the downed planes last 2 years is one of the reasons for tungsten. Tungsten is not a natural occuring substance in the trees tested. Just think we are breathing these particulates.

The article below is from the link that Kim sent. Thanks Kimmers! (ED NOTE: You're welcome, George!) Please read the entire article and source links below URL. I have an archive of all the Bee articles.+Dr.Len Horowitz also sent confirmation of EDB being used-sprayed over his home in Idaho. More on that later....

Leuren,you worked on the Fallon issue with residents there ,What else do you have? Dee confirmed JP8 was used extensively in the gulf war from her sources. Many people sick as you know. We have all known about JP8 and Gulf War Syndrome via DU,JP8 chaff aerosols. Doug your thoughts? You mentioned 'Operation Chad' when we met in Davis last November. Looks like that was a weather mod op? What else do you have? any docs? Please send any resources re back, Thanks.

Quick note by Mike Castle re: these elements/aerosols (CERA):

"Barium, the element is not radioactive unless compounded with a known radioactive isotope....remember, Barium is opaque to gamma radiation, barium silicate/sulfate or barytes, used in the coatings materials "inside" nuclear power plant domes...why? Shielding capability to be opaque to radiation and/or reflects (not absorbed). Works the same way with electromagnetic,microwaves, ELF etc.......

Thorium on the other side of the training session,tonight... thorium IS radioactive at the magnitude of order of 2% of its mass. Thorium oxide has the exact same properties. Now, Thorium IS the material identified by Welbach Refractory Agents used/patented by HughesAircraft Corp. that "reflects" and absorbs low emmissitivity wave length IR back into Space,causitive (I doubt it) global cooling...That is a major portion of the stuff they spray into the high altitude Stratosphere up around Canada and THE WEST COAST US. You guys get hammered with this kinda ChemTrails.

UV summers anyone?


George Holden
International Citizens Activist Network (ICAN)

PS: please forward to others that can/willparticipate. This is important

Earth Crash Earth Spirit ... 91#sources

(02/23/2003) Study links high levels of tungsten to childhood leukemia clusters in Nevada, Arizona and California; two of the clusters also share proximity to military bases and pipelines carrying a highly toxic jet fuel.

(06/13/2001) A U.S. senator has demanded that the U.S. Navy hand over documents that could reveal if a link exists between a kerosene-rich fuel called JP-8 or Jet A and a cluster of 14 childhood leukemia cases near a naval airbase in Nevada.

The military plans to universally use the JP-8 fuel until at least 2025 in everything from jets to trucks to camp stoves and it is estimated that 60 billion gallons are used worldwide each year. Most military and commercial jets use JP-8, but concerns about its health risks have mounted since it was introduced to U.S. airbases in the 1990s after trials in Britain in the 1980s.. The Air Force was the first service to use JP-8 and airmen began noticing health problems soon after, according to articles in the Air Force Times.. Ed Note:( Owning the weather by 2025, there's that magic number again..."Full Spectrum Dominance"- this is part of the space weapons program as in HR 2799 The Space Preservation Act of 2001 sec 7b)

The low volatility of JP-8 means it stays on skin and clothes longer than other fuels. Workers have complained of smelling and tasting JP-8 for many hours after exposure. Headaches, dizziness and light-headedness are common side effects, according to Air Force reports. In 1993, the Nevada Air National Guard members in Reno reported upper respiratory and skin irritations, according to a 1994 Air Guard report.

Because of its higher flash point, JP-8 does not fully combust in jet engines and more of it comes out of the back of the aircraft than when other fuels are used. Animal tests have shown that it can cause lung, kidney and liver damage, and is highly toxic to the immune system. At least three laboratory studies have linked the fuel to DNA damage. Last year, Congress authorized $5 million for a study of the fuel at six Air Force bases and the Pentagon has even commissioned studies to determine whether JP-8 exposure contributed to Gulf War syndrome.

In 1993, the Fallon Naval Air Station adopted JP-8 and the fuel began running through the 6-inch pipe from Sparks to Fallon.. The air station uses about 34 million gallons per year. Dr. Gary Ridenour, a Fallon internist, said he began seeing Fallon workers with skin and respiratory problems in 1994. He said he attributed the health problems to the new jet fuel and began researching JP-8 studies. He said because the fuel evaporates so slowly, workers can bring it home on their clothing. He said fuel from jet exhausts and fuel-dumping also reach the ground.

"There are more and more reports that make the use of this fuel highly questionable," Ridenour said. "There are no medical articles to support the use of JP-8. The fuel may not be the cause of the leukemias, but it may be linked to the cluster, and health concerns about JP-8 warrant inspection of the entire fuel pipeline and exhaustive exposure studies at the base and in the town." ED Note: (oxymoron or moron-oxy?)

Harry Reid, a senator for Nevada, has filed formal requests to the Navy, the federal Office of Pipeline Safety, and pipeline company Kinder Morgan to disclose records related to JP-8 leaks and spills around the airbase in Fallon, Nevada. "When we talk about causes of the leukemia cluster, jet fuel is the number one thing mentioned," says Reid.

JP-8 consists of a complex mixture of hydrocarbons, including polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) and benzene, a known carcinogen. Its low freezing point means it can be used in all climates. The Pentagon views JP-8 as a "universal battlefield fuel" for NATO, capable of powering trucks, tanks and even infantry stoves as well as planes.

But military personnel and people living near airbases can be exposed to a superfine mist, or aerosol, of unburnt JP-8 produced as a plane's engines warm up before and during takeoff. In breath tests for PAHs, all airbase personnel studied have tested positive for JP-8 exposure. Animal studies have shown that inhaling JP-8 increases lung permeability and can damage the DNA of lung and liver cells - and thus potentially cause cancer.

Research has also shown that it is extremely toxic to the immune system. Mark Witten, a toxicologist at the University of Arizona, Tucson, whose work is funded by the U.S. Air Force, was astounded by what JP-8 does to mice that inhale it. "It's just wrecking their immune systems," he says. "I've never seen a chemical that can so completely wipe out an animal's defences."

Part of the problem with JP-8 is that it doesn't readily evaporate, so it's more likely to soak into the skin and lungs. What's more, there's some evidence that the performance-enhancing additives in the fuel disrupt the molecular arrangement of the outermost layer of skin, poking holes in the body's main barrier against alien chemicals.

Even after brief exposure, the number of immune T-cells in mice plummet and their thymus (where immune cells mature) shrinks, while B cells proliferate.. So severe and sustained are the effects that Witten and his colleague, David Harris, also at the University of Arizona, worry that repeated exposure could increase the risk of autoimmune diseases and cancer, especially in the presence of other risk factors such as pesticides.

Witten has exposed rodents to aerosols of JP-8-containing droplets between 1.5 and 1.8 micrometres across - similar to those created by jet engines. Even a single, hour-long exposure to an aerosol containing 50 milligrams of JP-8 per cubic metre increased lung permeability in mice and caused the loss of cilia, the hair-like projections that waft dirt out of bronchial tubes. "This will allow dust, pollen and other stuff in the lungs to set up a chronic inflammatory state," says Witten.

Witten is now studying whether JP-8 causes breaks in DNA strands in the animals' bone marrow cells, potentially triggering leukaemia. It's already known that the children of parents who are exposed to hydrocarbons at work have a greater risk of developing acute lymphoblastic leukaemia - the type of childhood leukemia in 13 of the 14 confirmed cases in Fallon.

"ItÕs too early to state that JP-8 is involved, but there is a leukemia and immune-deficiency disease cluster at a Coast Guard base in San Diego right at the end of a runway used by military planes and (civilian) aircraft using Jet A fuel, which is similar to JP-8," says Witten. He said Italian troops who used JP-8 in Bosnia also reported a cluster of leukemia cases. Ed Note: (What's too early at this point in assessing the
that JP8 is indeed part of the issue and problem. How many more lives will it take after "the study is completed?")

Witten said if the fuel turns out to be the cause of the leukemia cases in Fallon, other residential areas near military bases and some civilian runways should experience the same problems. "San Diego, Bosnia and Fallon, the common denominator is JP-8. ... My nightmare scenario is that there are fifty other clusters like Fallon out there," he says.

Other researchers are studying the effects of repeated exposure to JP-8. Carol Baldwin of the University of Arizona exposed five rats to aerosols containing 1,000 milligrams of JP-8 per cubic metre over five weeks. Each week, they breathed the aerosol for an hour a day on five separate days. Finally, for an hour a day on three further days they breathed an aerosol containing 2,500 milligrams of fuel per cubic metre. The rats became hyperactive. In trials lasting three minutes, they reared onto their hind legs an average of 17 times - more than twice as often as animals that had not breathed JP-8.

In addition, the animals had previously learnt the location of a platform submerged in a tank of water, but after exposure to JP-8, they had forgotten where to find it. However, they could learn new tasks, which suggests that the fuel had specific effects on memory - perhaps by interfering with a brain region called the hippocampus.

Meanwhile, Steven Kornguth of the University of Wisconsin, Madison, has exposed mice to aerosols containing 1,000 or 2,500 milligrams of JP-8 per cubic metre for an hour a day over one week. Compared to control animals, their retinas and cerebellums contained up to five times as much glutathione S-transferase, an enzyme that detoxifies many harmful substances. This raises the possibility that JP-8 could disrupt vision and proprioception - the sense of where one's body is in space.

Short-term exposure to the fuel also causes rashes, respiratory and skin problems. "I went up to a Montana Air Guard base in Great Falls and the workers and mechanics who had contact with the fuel had hands like crabs," Witten said.

David Leith, an environmental engineer at the University of North Carolina School of Public Health in Chapel Hill, is developing instruments to measure the density of JP-8 aerosols. In a trial in Alaska, the plume created by a jet exceeded 200 milligrams per cubic metre of JP-8 - the maximum his device could register.

The effects of exposure to aerosols and spills on children and pregnant women have yet to be studied. But when pregnant mice are exposed, Harris recently discovered, up to 70 percent of offspring die and surviving pups have abnormal white blood cells.

Although the U.S. Navy vigorously denies that JP-8 poses any risk, leukaemia experts such as Peter Domer of the University of Chicago agree that Witten's concerns are well founded. Hydrocarbons in JP-8 such as naphthalene and benzene are capable of causing the sorts of genetic damage seen in childhood leukaemia, Domer says. [Sources]

Earth Crash Earth Spirit ... 91#sources

From: xxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:15 AM
Subject: JP 8 Tungsten Leukemia military cluster doc.

(02/23/2003) Study links high levels of tungsten to childhood leukemia clusters in Nevada, Arizona and California; two of the clusters also share proximity to military bases and pipelines carrying a highly toxic jet fuel. (JP 8)

Laboratory testing in a south Sacramento County neighborhood haunted by fears of a leukemia cluster found no trace of cancer-causing contaminants in the tap water but did find unexpectedly high levels of tungsten in area trees. Tungsten, a metal used in hardening tools ( jet turbine blades) and military ammunition, has recently drawn the attention of federal researchers investigating two childhood leukemia clusters in Fallon, Nevada and Sierra Vista, Arizona. (and now Elk Grove California, and Kansas)

25 PAGES of documentation here>

This report ties together many other reports into one full document, Tungsten is used to harden turbine blades in jet engines, Aluminum Oxide is an abrasive. If Aluminum Oxide was being directly injected into jet engines as some have claimed, well you get my drift (their drift actually)

This one is worth printing as a complete source on these military leukemia clusters.

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PostMon Jan 31, 2011 2:29 pm » by Truthseeker

The Case of the Strange Cold Everybody Has Been Getting and Chemtrails, etc.
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The Case Of The Strange Cold Everybody Has Been Getting and Chemtrails, and the Black Arts Nation....

This Fall 2004
Fw:Multi-D News The Nazi Flu

The Nazi Flu Interview With Dr. Leonard Horowitz

Redden: I'd like to begin this interview by asking you about the flu. Many of my friends are sick, and I've read a number of news stories which say that people are sick around the world. So many people are sick that hospital emergency rooms are swamped and doctors are postponing surgeries. But at the same time, the mainstream media is not referring to this outbreak as an epidemic. So let me ask you, is there a flu epidemic underway or not?

Horowitz: There has been for quite some time, but the authorities are suppressing the news about it. It's only been recently that the mainstream media has acknowledged that hospital emergency rooms are filled with patients with this bizarre upper respiratory infection that doesn't quite seem to be a virus, a flu that the flu vaccines were ineffective against, that was a surprise and a complete mystery to the Centers for Disease Control authorities.

That's all hogwash, bogus nonsense. The fact of the matter is, we have seen this type of an epidemic since the end of 1998 and the beginning of 1999. People have been hacking and coughing with this bizarre illness that does not seem to follow any logical viral or bacterial onset and transition period. It was something that did not cause a high fever.

If it was a bacterial or viral infection, it would have caused a fever in these people. It didn't. It was something that lasted weeks, if not months. They had sinus congestion, sinus drainage, they had a cough, they had fatigue, general malaise, they felt they were not quite right.

Redden: Then is it fair to call this the flu, or is it something else?

Horowitz: I think it's only fair to call it flu-like. It is pathognomonic of, not a bacterial or viral infection, it is pathognomonic of a fungus or a fungus related to a flu. And that's exactly what has been developed and patented by the Armed Forces Research Institute of Pathology.

We've reprinted the patent report in the new book, Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse. We show you the report on the "pathogenic micoplasma." That's a quote, "pathogenic micoplasma." And if you know anything about micoplasmas, mico indicates fungal, but yet micoplasma is not really a fungus, it's not really a bacteria, it's not really a virus. It's sort of like a pseudo all of them. It has no cell wall, it goes deep into the cell nuclei thereby making it very difficult to mount an immune response against.

Redden: And it's man-made...

Horowitz: It's man-made. It can be used as a biological weapon. It was developed as an AIDS vaccine-related organism. It was extracted from AIDS patients. It is responsible for virtually all of the symptoms which AIDS patients suffer from. The AIDS virus is at best a co-factor, and not even such a strong co-factor as to bring on all of the symptoms of AIDS.

This particular organism, the micoplasma, is associated with this upper respiratory flu-like illness. And it's also associated in its pathogenic process with a whole variety of other symptoms that mimic AIDS.

Redden: And that's what you think is causing this epidemic?

Horowitz: That's only one of the factors. The patent report lays it out. Like how you can use a factor like that to cause chronic upper respiratory infections just like what is going on. I mean, virtually identical to what's going on. It's patented by the Armed Forces Research Institute of Pathology.

Redden: How did it get out of the lab and into the general population?

Horowitz: There's only speculation and the most likely thesis that I'm looking at is through contaminated vaccines, contaminated blood supplies. I don't know any other suitable mode of transmitting that kind of infectious agent.

Redden: What about the current controversy over chemtrails - the theory that airplanes are spraying the population with some kind of chemical or biological weapon. As I understand it, a number of researchers believe that many of the contrails in the skies these days are not the normal contrails formed by high-flying jets, but are actually trails of chemical or biological agents which spread out and then fall on the earth. Could this micoplasma be transmitted to the population through chemtrails?

Horowitz: I don't relate it to the chemtrails. I don't believe that this particular organism could be suitably spread that way. But I believe the chemtrails are responsible for a chemical intoxication of the public, which would then cause a general immune suppression, low grade to high grade, depending on exposure. An immune dysfunction, which would then allow people to become susceptible to opportunistic infections, such as this micoplasma and other opportunistic infections.

Redden: So you believe that high-flying planes are, in fact, spraying something on the population that the theory is real?

Horowitz: There's no question that it's real. There's no doubt about that. I first began to investigate chemtrails when some were sprayed over my home in Northern Idaho. I took pictures of them, and then contacted the Environmental Protection Agency of the state. When I contacted their directors, they were clueless and referred me to the Air Force.

They then got me in touch with Centers for Disease Control Toxicology, and after about a week I received a letter from one of their chief toxicologists saying, indeed there was some amount of ethylene dibromide in the jet fuel. Now, ethylene dibromide is a known human chemical carcinogen that was removed from unleaded gasoline because of its cancer-causing effects. Now suddenly it has appeared in the jet fuel that apparently high-altitude military aircraft are emitting.

Redden: Why has ethylene dibromide been added to jet fuel?

Horowitz: When you examine who owns the fuel, who are the fuel company directors, suddenly you enter into the realm of the Rockefeller family and the royal families, Standard Oil and British Petroleum. And what are their other agendas? Suddenly now you see their documents, showing that they have funded, historically, eugenics, racial hygiene, genocide, depopulation, family planning, maternal and child health where they make and deliver vaccines, and contaminated blood supplies.

These are the banksters, the same people who run the blood banking as well as the money banking industries. In both Emerging Viruses and Healing Codes, I reference a great book by Dr. John Coleman, who worked as a British Secret Service agent at the highest levels. And he articulated very clearly who was running those companies.

It all goes back, ultimately, to the highest level of the royal family. The Bush family, Rothschild family, the Rockefeller money, and the entire Rockefeller establishment is based on Rothschild money and royal families. So you begin to then, at least, put forward a possible theory, that if you can't explain it rationally and any other way, I think you've got to begin to consider conspiracy theories. And once you eliminate the negative label that you've placed on conspiracy theories per se, because that's been demonized, as has the terms holistic medicine, holistic health.

Redden: Naturopathic

Horowitz: Naturopathy. I mean these labels get placed and as soon as they do, you know, it begins to wave red flags and people avoid those things. But, you know, when you really just define a conspiracy as is defined in Websters, as two or more people getting together behind closed doors covertly and planning something unethical, immoral, illegal and then carrying it out, that's a conspiracy. So that's now what you're looking at, at the highest levels.

You're looking at decision-makers who have, for whatever reasons, decided to put this toxic waste into jet fuels for human exposure, what ultimately's going to be human exposure. And it just so happens that these same people have put a lot of money into reducing world populations. So now you ask yourself, when it comes to testing human subjects like American citizens unwittingly, unwillingly, who sprays toxins out of airplanes over San Francisco, kills people that way, who sprays biologicals on the Pennsylvania turnpike that induce death?

Who has done that historically, as clearly articulated in the Frank Church congressional hearings of 1975, has been Central Intelligence Agency biological weapons contracting firms, such as Litton Bionetics, such as the Army Corp of Engineers when they were developing and utilizing these various biologicals. And this is all done under black operations, covert operations, where they get funding and congressional people are never informed really where this money is going. It's the black budget.

Redden: As I understand it, this is not just an American epidemic, but it's gone across Europe.

Horowitz: That's right. And so have the chemtrails. I've got colleagues over there, I've got colleagues in the Bahamas, Bermuda, Toronto, British Columbia all reporting the same bizarre seeding of the atmosphere. It's horrible. What is going on is just despicable.

Redden: One reason I'm interested in this subject is, I personally know three people who had the exact same thing happen to them. First they came down with flu-like symptoms which didn't go away. Then they went to the doctor, and the doctor said their flu had developed into a bacterial infection and we can give you antibiotics for that. Then they were all given a brand new antibiotic they had never taken before, and they all had serious allergic reactions.

Horowitz: Right. Isn't that fascinating?

Redden: What happened to them?

Horowitz: OK, that's a great question. I'm glad you asked that because I should have mentioned it before. What you're looking at with this upper respiratory infection is that it is a multi-factorial illness. It's associated with a variety of chemical and biological co-factors. Just like with AIDS, it's not the AIDS virus that ultimately kills, it's co-factor microbes such as the micoplasma. What you have could be described as an ideal Russian biological cocktail. And I suppose it's called Russia biological cocktail because the Americans likely invented it.

What they determined would be the best biological chemical warfare approach was a combination of chemicals and biologicals, so that it would be very difficult to diagnose and then treat the illnesses. Moreover, it would be very difficult to trace where they came from. If you've got, say, ethylene dibromide coming out of the jet fuels that is causing immune suppression and weakening your immune system, and then you've got a micoplasma microbe or a fungus that causes an upper respiratory illness, suddenly you develop a secondary bacterial infection.

Now you get hit with antibiotics, and the antibiotics cause your body chemistry to go acidic, so now you get rashes and other things, your liver gets full of toxins and comes out through your skin in rashes and they get hyperallergenic reactions associated with the other chemicals. So all of a sudden now, you realize that you've got a human being who is completely out of balance and infected by two, three or four microbial co-factors as well as intoxicated by a variety of different chemicals.

Redden: A point of clarification. Are You saying that the fungus is working with the chemtrails and the antibiotic to make people sick?

Horowitz: Exactly. And you've got somebody who's going to be chronically ill. And in the contemporary warfare arena, where experts in biological chemical warfare convene and discuss the ways that are ideal to conduct warfare today, to really take an enemy out, you don't want to kill the people. You want to produce people who are chronically ill and become dependent on the state and totally sap the resources of the country.

And then you can move in further with your military-medical-industrial complex, your international medical-pharmaceutical cartel. And then you sell these beleaguered and defeated countries all of the pharmaceuticals and chemicals that they need to maintain any semblance of healthy function.

Redden: So you've got a work force that can work, but they're too tired after they finish working to...

Horowitz: That's exactly it. They're completely depleted. They can't put together a military; you create a dependence and thereby you weaken the population, and weakened populations are easy to control. So you've got population control, and you make vast fortunes doing it, versus just blowing up a nuclear weapon and devastating the infrastructure that you own. You and your colleagues own that infrastructure. You want to get rid of the people. You don't want to get rid of infrastructure.

What I'm relating to you now is not speculation. If you were to read the top experts analysis of military warfare, such as what is articulated in The Report From Iron Mountain, which even the authorities, they say that this is a hoax, a satire, but, you know, there's nothing funny about it. The propaganda, the spin that they put on it is that the document is a satire. But when you read it, there's nothing funny about it.

Redden: You mentioned the Rockefellers. You think the Rockefeller family is one of the major players in this conspiracy?

Horowitz: Oh, absolutely. One of the major players in world genocide, world population reduction. That's no mystery anymore. I mean, you even have some mainstream publishing companies, such as St. Martin's Press, writing the most horrific exposes of the Rockefeller family. You have Oxford University Press, publishing, for example, Christopher Simpson's work, called The Science of Coercion, where he proves that virtually the entire scientific and particularly health science agenda was laid out by the Rockefeller family.

In the 1920's, the federal government was giving very little money for public health. Where the huge investment in public health in the United States came from was the Rockefeller financial coffers, you know. They were behind it all. And so, already by the 30's, the early 1930's, who was responsible for the primary viral research investments, public health looking at cancer, who created the cancer industry in the 1920's, was the Rockefellers, all the Rockefeller money.

And if you didn't go along with that particular money making population controlling agenda as a health scientist or health professional you were traditionally demoted, defunded, ostracized. And then if you kept it up, you were persecuted and then jailed. I know many, many people who have gone through that.

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PostMon Jan 31, 2011 4:06 pm » by Whiteknight2000

I think its very clear truth seeker that no one buys this bullshit anymore.

Otherwise you would have 3 pages of posts by now.

Look around you, the whole conspiracy thing is getting old. People are starting to wake up to all the bullshit and disinfo on here.

The constant posts lead me to one conclusion. Your desperate to get this rubbish out there. Desperate to keep this post at the top.

Eventually this forum will become a ghost town, and there will be no one to blame but the disinfo, and bullshitters.

I will do one thing though. I would like to thank you for making most of the conspiracy world Smarter, and better equipped to see through the utter bullshit.

Every single day 95% of the crap posted on this forum gets debunked or put in the hoax section or gets completly ignored.

Even the fear mongers are getting desperate to get people to read their bullshit.

It just won't work, or cut it any more.

Look at the numbers of people posting on here.

They have gone down dramatically since last year. They have gone down due the increase of the bullshit and disinfo on here.

They have had ENOUGH!!!

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PostWed Feb 02, 2011 12:54 am » by Truthseeker

if you let the idiots out there who try and stop the truth being said like in Canada now they are trying to stop the internett ,people power is here and look at the arab world ,people in the uk only become of use to the corprate world when they need your vote ,then after they screw you all partys are in the same game its divide and rule ,the same goes with the so called conspiracy theriosts if you think all is well then fine but if you see jets one day flying with nice clean fuel and then a few days later the same jets on the same flight paths throwing out chemtrails not clean contrails all over the uk and wirh the wind direction and altidude of the spray from the dirty fuel you get ill or your breathing drops to a poor air quality this spraying does not pick who to make ill rich poor all men women and chilldren in its droplet path will get sick and ill from it and future cancer plus othere bad illnesses from this spraying its not a new idea during the cold war russian ships and submarines sprayed bugs over the uk every day thats a fact ask the minestry so today corprate oil companies and global warming nuts want the ice caps to melt to get at greenlands mineral wealth and to get all the oil and what else they want to take from the land of the north atlantic ice fields ,so without thought and thinking and watching the corprate world destroy this earth then if you whish to shut your eyes and eat shit then you may do so its your right but to look at the sky and watch constant spraying and think all is welll then enjoy your water you drink enjoy the air you breath and ask one day your futures words why did you let the earth die .

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PostWed Feb 02, 2011 1:00 am » by Noetic

in case you haven't heard of it there is a great documentary about chemtrails and geoengineering titled

"Owning the Weather"

I watched it on talks about farmers and resort owners that spray chemtrails.
patent pending lol

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PostWed Feb 02, 2011 1:08 am » by Truthseeker

the weather is the new supper weapon look whats heading for australia now if you controll the weather you controll the world and you can get at things once you could not get to due to a mile of ice once stoping you ,so controll the weather you dont need weapons as befor you just use nature and everyone thinks wow its gods will well man is the new god

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PostSun Feb 06, 2011 1:52 am » by Truthseeker

are they going to change Eygpts wether to force them all inside when all else fails


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