Laws That Protect Victims - Not Paedophiles & Predators

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PostMon Jan 06, 2014 7:36 am » by missamandamanhattan


Laws that actually protect the victim and not the paedophiles and predators are what we need right now. As an adjunct Mandatory Reporters and any citizen who reports Child Abuse need protecting as well.

For those of you who already know about my journey this thread is for any and all suggestions - that I can include to bolster my case. I already have posts from the global internet community that I will be including in my defence. I am setting a precedent with the intention of showing cause to change/amend/create new laws.

For those of you who are not familiar with my journey - please read via the worldwideweb any thread or view youtube clips with the title : Powerful & Disturbing Child Abuse in 2013 or (Your) Child Is Not Safe Here's Why.

This thread is essentially for any and all suggestions with regard to the current Child Protection legislation. I will share with you the legal basis that is being applied in an attempt to dismiss my case.


The legal representative for the respondent in my matter (the Catholic Church) wants the court to dismiss my case on these applications:

1.The application filed on 17 May 2013 is dismissed pursuant to sub-section 17A (2) of the Federal Circuit Court of Australia Act 1999 (Cth) and rule 13.10 (a) of the Federal Circuit Court Rules 2001 (Cth);

2. In the alternative to order 1, the Application filed on 17 May 2013 is dismissed rule 13.10 (c) of the Federal Circuit Court Rules 2001 (Cth);

3. The applicant in the proceedings pay the respondent's costs of and incidental to the proceedings;

4. Such other order as the Honourable Court thinks appropriate.


Okay let's start with sub-section 17A (2)

The Federal Circuit Court of Australia may give judgement for one party against another in relation to the whole or any part of a proceeding if: (a) the first party is defending the proceeding or that part of the proceeding; and (b) the Court is satisfied that the other party has no reasonable prospect of successfully prosecuting the proceeding or that part of the proceeding.

In short people - they have nothing with which to defend themselves against the evidence I have collated and compiled over the course of 2011, 2012, 2013 and continuing. The Catholic Church legal representative is just suggesting to the court I have no case. Keep in mind I compiled 245 pages of evidence to support a 10 page Statement of Claim. Those of you who are holding a copy of my Statement of Claim in trust - you will know better than most why I have every chance to succeed and not the opposite.


Now rule 13.10 (a)
The Court may order that a proceeding be stayed, or dismissed generally or in relation to any claim for relief in the proceeding, if the Court is satisfied that; (a) the party prosecuting the proceeding or claim for relief has no reasonable prospect of successfully prosecuting the proceeding or claim; or

Again people - no technicality here just the suggestion that I have no case. Again those of you who hold in trust on my behalf a copy of my Statement of Claim will know why this application has no basis.


And rule 13.10 (c)
The Court may order that a proceeding be stayed, or dismissed generally or in relation to any claim for relief in the proceeding, if the Court is satisfied that: (c) the proceeding or claim for relief is an abuse of the process of the Court.

Well people - this one goes nowhere. I am standing up for Children, have battled for three years and continuing, have eight A4 folders full of collated and carefully filed documents generated over 2011, 2012, 2013 and continuing - have filed and served 245 pages of evidence and am able to present the evidence in court to support my Statement of Claim . Can someone tell me how being organised - following the court administration and adhering to the current law is an abuse of the Court?????


The pressure placed on me to pay costs has no effect on me now - it did at the beginning of the journey but now I view it as a process and as my life has been destroyed financially - for me paying costs is merely moot.


Such other order as the Honourable Court thinks is appropriate is an interesting addition and I will share with you what I discovered when I researched and studied the Federal Court Rules.

Federal Circuit Court Rules 2001 - Reg 1.06

Court may dispense with rules
(1) The Court may in the interests of justice dispense with compliance, or full compliance, with any of these Rules at any time.
(2) if, in a proceeding, the Court gives a direction or makes an order that is inconsistent with any of these Rules, the direction or order of the Court prevails in the proceeding.

Federal Circuit Court Rules 2001 - Reg 16.01

Court may make any judgement or order
The Court may, at any stage in a proceeding on the application of a party, give any judgement or make any order even if the claim was not made in an originating process.


How fabulous are Reg 1.06 & 16.01? These tell the reader that no matter what the Catholic Church legal representative suggest - as long as I present a rock solid impenetrable defence - the Court can support my case.

My aim is to set a precedent and show that the 'pattern' of destroying the life of the Mandatory Reporter is a violation of human rights. I want to create a law that states the Mandatory Reporter and/or conscientious citizen are to be protected from any human rights violation. That's to get you started. Please contribute to this thread - I will take every suggestion to the court with me on the 20th & 21st March 2014.

Thank you for your ongoing support. Much Peace - Amanda :help: :peace:

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PostMon Jan 06, 2014 7:46 am » by Chillitiger


Hi Amanda,

I have no idea how to help. I would be happy to do some paperwork or other menial tasks you need. I am in Melbourne.

I suffered from sexual abuse as a child and would be very glad to assist in anyway I can.

At present I cant offer any monies as I just got sacked before xmas and have bugger all mulla.

In the future however (when i start working again) I would also be glad to help out.

And actaully i was just thinking this morning of how to go about starting a charity to aid sexual abuse victims. At the time i was thinking that it could pay for counselling, which is really important and not cheap. But it seems the charity could work for reporters and the like for legal bills and so on.

Man that has me thinking. I'm gunna do some research.

if any one know of how to get a charity started or any advice, please let me know.

Let me know if there is anything I can do

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PostMon Jan 06, 2014 7:54 am » by missamandamanhattan


Wow - you responded so quickly and that bolsters my spirit. Please make suggestions for laws that I can take with me to court in March. Do not be concerned with money - I have survived this far so I know that fate is with me.

I appreciate your disclosure and know that cannot be easy to do - please know that my journey is for you as a Survivor as much as it is for the victims who did not survive the abuse.

As for charities - I am not completely supportive of charities as they consume much money with regard to overheads and administration costs - however - there are other ways to assist victims and we can discuss those later should you be interested.

Right now we need to change laws and that is the focus - once laws are changed then other ideas can be actualised and put into place. You are a valuable member of society and I value your joining the journey. Be good to yourself and please return with suggestions for laws - particularly from your perspective as a Survivor.


Much Peace - Amanda

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PostMon Jan 06, 2014 10:54 am » by Chillitiger


To be honest Amanda, I would not know where to begin. My case never got near the courts and I really have no experience with the legal system.

From any experience I have had, it all comes down to money. The big institutions just drag things out and make the little guy broke.

What would be great is to find a lawyer who has worked on some cases, who has a conscious and would like to donate some time to get some correct and appropriately effective laws written up.

If you like send me a pm and I will give you my email and skype.

We can discuss the issues and I can gain a better understanding of what needs to be done to help you and all the other wall headbutters trying to do the right thing.

by the way I really appreciate what you are doing.
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PostMon Jan 06, 2014 12:56 pm » by missamandamanhattan


Chillitiger - your response is exactly what I need. The fact that lack of finance meant you did not get any justice is part of my journey.

A point of interest is this; anyone with decent literacy skills can do what I have done. Yes I have studied some law and applied it as part of my Police duties - however - reading legislation takes focus and an understanding of the meta language and that can be accomplished with a little time and effort.


I notice that 113 people have viewed this thread in a short space of time - thank you - that is the type of support that keeps me going.

Much Peace - Amanda

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PostMon Jan 06, 2014 3:41 pm » by Chillitiger


Hey Amanda,

i don't know if u can send me a pm, i cant send u one. Get in touch because i can definitely offer up my time and my neighbor is a senior detective who deals with sexual abuse cases. She is well connected so she may be able to help as well.

But seriously it sounds like you could use help in any form so get in touch. If u cant pm me, i will put my email in the next post. I would like to correspond so I can get a much firmer idea of exactly what you need and i cant get those details here.

I am happy to help out in any way I can.

I also looked into the charity thing, it is still a pretty good idea. I know a lot gets taken in admin but if it is done by passionate people who keep the costs down (and I know a thing or two about marketing, to get money in the door.) it may just be of good benefit in the future.

Keep it in mind.

I will be getting serious about it because I know that no matter what, money is always crucial.

speak soon

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PostMon Jan 06, 2014 6:29 pm » by Thebluecanary


I have no idea about Australian law, and no real valid suggestions to help you. Well, other than, here in the US we have a law that requires known convicted sex offenders to register with a database that is searchable online by anyone. They have limitations as to how close they can live to things like schools and daycares and parks, and anyone in the US anywhere can search their neighborhoods at any time to see if there are pedophiles/sex offenders living there. If the offender fails to register or update his registration information, he goes back to jail. Do you guys have anything like that? It makes it harder for those who have already been convicted of a sex offense to get jobs where they have access to children.

As for organized, institutionalized abuse of children on a large scale by those in positions of power…I wish I had suggestions for stopping it but I don't. Other than, keep talking about it, keep agitating, keep making it harder for them to sweep it under the rug. Go, Missamandamanhattan, go.
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PostTue Jan 07, 2014 3:16 am » by missamandamanhattan


Thebluecanary -thanks for your comments. Yes in Australian there are stipulations to when and where paedophiles can live & being a Teacher who is a former Police officer I am aware that the strongest piece of legislation that is available to officers is - a known/convicted paedophile is seen within a certain distance of a school the Police can put them in the back of the truck - no phone call - no caution (that's the same as your Miranda) just straight to the lock up no questions asked.

However - it is apparent that people in society are noticing that paedophiles and predators are not even going to jail. Recently in Australia a father admitted having sex with his daughter - he did not go to jail and the daughter actually collapsed when the sentence was handed down - she was hospitalised. The young woman was nineteen and had decided to come forward after she turned eighteen - possibly because as an adult she could give her own account. The details of what he did were appalling and the public were angry.

What I want to do is change the laws relating to the person who reports the abuse. You mention laws with regard to what happens after they are caught - that is not my focus. On my journey laws have been circumvented - meaning information and people have not been brought to account. I wish I could tell you more but as I have made it to Federal Court I cannot discuss the evidence.

So - please think again and focus on why paedophiles and predators are continuing their destructive behaviour unafraid of the consequences. I will give you a clue - they are being protected.

Thanks Thebluecanary and all the people who have viewed this thread - please keep it active and I welcome all thoughts and ideas as discussion can prompt the solutions to the problem.

Much Peace - Amanda

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PostFri Feb 07, 2014 11:03 am » by missamandamanhattan


This is a message of thanks to all the people who have viewed this thread and/or posted with words of support or relevant information.

I am currently preparing for my Interlocutory Hearing which is listed for 20th & 21st of March 2014 at the Australian Federal (Circuit) Court of Human Rights. The details are a matter of public record and that means anyone can check the details online should they have any doubts about the veracity of my threads and posts.

I will share information as soon as it is appropriate on a recent situation where I have come to be in receipt of information that there is a leak of sensitive data from the current Australian Royal Commission Into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. I have notified in writing two professional agencies of this information. One is an agency that manages the legal system and the other is the Australian Governor- General. I am in possession of a lengthy statement from a witness.

After sending the two documents to the professional agencies I had two lengthy conversations with two witnesses - one who has already been before the commission. I will publish my two documents for public view and scrutiny when it is appropriate as a measure of transparency with regard to my Whistleblower accountability.

Much Peace - Amanda

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PostMon Feb 10, 2014 11:01 am » by missamandamanhattan


Important update for all the people following my journey and supporting me. I had an appointment with my doctor today and I conveyed to him the most recent developments in my journey. Please know that as private appointments with my doctor are confidential I do share information with that I cannot - as yet - share on the worldwideweb. Keeping that thought in mind - today my doctor broached the subject of should anything happen to me....

I looked him in the eye and declared on the lives of his Children that I am passionate about completing my current journey and have plans for what I would like to do once I have finished my current journey. In short I stated that - my car crashed into a tree - rope around my neck - slit wrists - pills - etcetera it would be no accident - I declared I would not do anything to harm myself. So I thought I would put in in writing for all the world to see.

Also a note to all those people - in most of the Australian states and on a variety of continents around the globe - who are holding documents in trust for me. There is a person who has been tasked with contacting you in the event I am unable to upload to the web or publish my documents. Please know that you will be contacted and informed - should I for any reason be unable to upload and/or publish my documents.

I am not afraid and work on the theory that when you are prepared - it does not happen. I will have some information to share soon. I note another paedophile has been brought before the courts in Australia today - several counts with several Children at several locations - that will be difficult to beat!

Much Peace - Amanda


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