Lenard Walson and Gridkeeper "astrophotography" HOAX !!!

Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:08 pm » by **Qiqiba**

Well, first of all John Lenard Walson might be the Gridkeeper. Might be not. Actually nobody knows for sure who is John Lenard Walson. But we know for sure that Gridkeeper was kicked out of Above Top Secret for supporting Walson's PROVEN hoax.

Here you have tho whole story. Do your homework on your own.

Alien Casebook says: "JOHN LENARD WALSON FOUND TO BE
A HOAXER"

http://aliencases.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=ufo&action=display&num=1202851535&start=

Above Top Secret says: "John Lenard Walson's piracy exposed"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread323879/pg1

And here you have "An open challenge to Gridkeeper / John Lenard Walson"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread354903/pg1

For more just google "+john +lenard +walson +hoax"... :flop:

Case closed. :lol:

Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:33 am » by **Crunchy**

thanks for the links
but all i see in the links above are more disinfo and name calling

but i will accept that due to him not releasing enough info does ring the bs bell
(i will look into this further) and his attempt to sell the footage (this is the reason for holding back info ? ) backfired .... this last situation
then leads me to consider that the disagreement that happened has caused all this name calling and "hes a hoaxer" claims . but this is hardly proof that he is a hoaxer

i did not bother to look at this guy more deeply because i accepted that all he was filming was sattalites ......... and the uk news (might have been the sky at night) item i saw about him and his friend stated thats what they were seeing and filming

my video http://www.disclose.tv/members/action/v ... /a_Star__/
this was filmed with a sony vx2000 (12x optical zoom 48x digital) (movement caused by me having no tripod ..... see last 30 secs )
this does look like a sattalite of some kind...... there was a trade union congress happening
at the brighton center at the time of filming (spy craft maybe) and since that night that patch of sky has remained clear of this "star" (i work at night 7 days a week and have looked for it every night since)
i added my video as a reference as to what can be filmed with a video camera
with a pretty low zoom level compared to modern cameras so with a telescope
detail levels would much higher

Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:52 am » by **Ovniac**

Thanks, qiqiba. I've learned all I needed.

Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:25 am » by **7hidden7agenda7**

There are several ways to detect a hoax.
Music is one of them. copyright is another. context of image helps expose flaws also.
gridkeeper / walson have nothing to offer of ANY importance!
I mean this with the most sincere conviction.

Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:29 am » by **Darkplanet**

qiqiba this is all really interesting BUT there is nothing in any of the links you provided which could be considered "nail in the coffin" proof of hoaxery. Bad business deals, clandestine behavior and petty disagreements aside, there is still some rather baffling footage which I think is valid.

The real question is whether these are terrestrial satellites or something more. There must be other amateur astronomers getting the same results?

Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:33 am » by **7hidden7agenda7**

darkplanet wrote:The real question is whether these are terrestrial satellites or something more. There must be other amateur astronomers getting the same results?

Actually the real question is.. Why are other amateur astronomers not getting the same results :?:

Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:56 am » by **Qiqiba**

7hidden7agenda7 wrote:
darkplanet wrote:The real question is whether these are terrestrial satellites or something more. There must be other amateur astronomers getting the same results?

Actually the real question is.. Why are other amateur astronomers not getting the same results

Well, exactly, 777. And this real question is your "nail in the coffin" proof of hoaxery, darkplanet. Isn't it?

Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:41 pm » by **Gridkeeper**

Well now like people say nothing has been proven. Jose Escamilla is the one propagating the whole fake bs idea. He has caused lots of trouble and has even boasted about it. He tells everyone they are fake yet he is the one STILL selling the old films on tbln. He even tells people that the moon videos aren't real either. The only reason I was banned is because I tell the truth and some people just don't like it. With the copyright logos on the films they are protected from source which eliminates anyone with ideas to manipulate them.

As for the music, well if you don't like it then you don't have to listen to it. I was in the music industry for many years and have written lots of music which i like to put in the videos, big deal. If people want to believe baseless disinfo stories then that's fine, it doesn't make any difference. In fact all it does is bring more attention to it.

Maybe we could start here by proving that I am not John Lenard Walson and that he di in fact film the original video of the ufo with the lamp post in the foreground which Jose and Santiago say was filmed by Abbey Parker and that we stole it. That is if anyone is interested?

Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:43 pm » by **Nik418**

I said this stuff was a hoax when it was posted on YouTube ages ago - one of the ships looked like a Star wars X-wing fighter - the other looked like Lexx!! Apparently it's all now been exposed as a hoax - well blow me - you don't say!

Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:55 pm » by **Hesop**

Hey there! Walson has been around for some time. He became a Space.com Hall of Famer on 1/16/07. http://www.space.com/amazingimages/?pag ... =s&m=0&p=0

However, his methods and images were stated to be hoaxed before 9/26/2007, and the astronomy buffs there explained the reasons and howwhys, http://www.space.com/common/community/f ... 3ed93c6a25

I remember that very clearly from last year. With his sometimes vague descriptions of how he was able to produce the images, the telescope whizzes there could not get the same result, or locate the objects he claimed were in a stationery orbit. Of ALL these images, he was the only one that could see them.