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PostMon May 18, 2009 6:29 pm » by Mugenroshi8


In my humble opinion:
Positive/Negative, is our reactions to relations, not the relations themselves. For example, I woke up this morning and it was freezing. 1) My body was not designed for the cold. 2) I have many negative experiences associated with the cold. 3) I am out of coffee and unable to both "wake up" and "warm up".

Now I could've viewed this as negative. If I had enjoyed the cold, I would have perceived all this as quite a pleasant surprise! It would have been positive.

As it were, without coffee and having a clear Mind after a long rest, I withheld the stream of curses I wanted to utter knowing that before long the temperature would rise to my liking. However, my body's negative reaction was enough to know, if there would be no rise in temperature, I would be wise to move.

We are drawn towards energies and perceptions that match our own, pushed away from those that do not. As for the wealthy, I have met very few I agreed with, simply because they live in a way so completely alien to me. This does not mean they are negative to me, but rather I don't wish to be around them because they do not appeal to me.

Same with family. Some say, "we're family, come on!" No, being family does not mean you get away with being more of an inconsiderate ass, it means if there was anyone I should have been able to trust, 'it was you.' Make no mistake, stranger on the street or blood relations, if they are not pleasant to be around, I will not be around them.

Now that I shared that I believe positive/negative is in our Minds, let me add that our Minds pull one or the other based on what we need to experience that day/night due to the state of our Minds. We keep our Minds balanced. Why do people enjoy violent movies? Because they do not experience violence on a daily basis, if they did, it would over-tip in their Minds. We only move towards one end of the spectrum before our Mind draws experiences to us, and us to them, to begin feeding the other. Perhaps after a week of this, Lainn will be very sensitive towards some negative social climate her friends are experiencing, and thus, her Mind will not be focused on the positive love of their sharing relationship, but rather on the injustice of the social system to allow them to exist this way. Same experience, but now its negative and stretching her views on society wheras yesterday it was positive, and stretching her views on global networking and love.

I hope my view made sense, at least take comfort it makes sense to me :wink:

EDIT: Oops! That whole thing was an explanation of something I forgot to write above it; lol sorry, I was trying to give you my definition of "love" bawdie! Love is the depth of oneself one is willing to expose/experience on account of oneself or in relation to another.
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PostMon May 18, 2009 9:12 pm » by Bawdiemaude


@ mug....

mmm
so the reason i get all squeamish when everyone starts sending group hugs out to random strangers - (who they know nothing about other than what has been chosen to be revealed here on dtv,) the fact that the scent of hypocrisy stings my eyes- as i think, until i have learned to truly and unconditionallly love those in my real world ........ to say 'i love you' to you all- much as i appreciate the wisdom- i mean i TOTALLY appreciate the wisdom and the examples set etc etc- smatters of fake sugar kisses.....i say again its easy to love someone from a distance- you dont have to smell their farts for one thing!!! :badair: :ohno:

why am i always so brutal as to not believe any 'i love you'- until i feel that i am known...and when i am known - i treasure that 'i love you' more than any moon or star.

...but uhoh that time of my moon again and my raw cycnicism steps up....why?

well according to your theory - its to balance all the loving and good feelings i normally have????

i think thats quite brilliant....in real life i am not percieved as i believe ( and how can i know this?) i am here....and maybe thats about the balancing too

which funnily enough takes us back to what i said about love being both destruction and creation
:hell: :sunny:
so now my question is - how to transcend the set motiion of that internal balancing- i mean how to transcend personality and experience the love bliss i want to?

( i was so disturbed by this post - (what s wrong with me for gods sake?? i send love to murderers and rapist and i dont want to get close enough to them to smell their fart etc), but all the mush here prompted me to go to my studio and using the gunk from the bottom of my sinks start smearing it on the new mandala i made - my reason- i want to make the deposited, ignored and revilled - BEAUTIFUL for some reason it seems more real, meaningful and relevant than paintings of daisies? sigh but everyone loves paintings of daisies!!! )

you say........
Love is the depth of oneself one is willing to expose/experience on account of oneself or in relation to another.

so the depth of love produces a reaction too? a balancing against an antithesis? to love deeply, drop into oneself then to balance- what is done consciously or even unconsciously?

and that dropping is so scary - the vibrating horror of vulnerability.....so how does the mind compensate in a healthy way???

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as regards to Lainns safety....its different in this country - i know we are not on the same island but.... i used to give art classes in the ghetto and as the only white female on a push bike for miles around- sure the guys were 'fresh' but it was not a problem - never any hint of violence towards me...towards each other- oh YES but not me. i travel alone around here too....but i suppose one should be careful- ok lainn go with Ms cuba that'll make you safer - neither of you will be noticeable then!!! lol ;)

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PostMon May 18, 2009 10:21 pm » by Mugenroshi8


bawdiemaude wrote:well according to your theory - its to balance all the loving and good feelings i normally have????


According to my theory, you will never expose yourself more than you are willing to at that point in any relation to anyone, including yourself, at that given point in your life. If you met the most outstanding man you ever met in your life, but at that point were not willing (due to any number of things subconsciously) to make yourself vulnerable (exposure, trust) to that person to the level that is sufficient for that person, there is no way to be a steady and reliable companion. Only to the point you are willing, and measured up against the degree of sufficiency according to another's conscious standards -even oneself - does one find success or failure.

But success and failure are like love and hate, two sides to one beautiful coin. Take a sacred image, reverse it, and use it to associate with evil or negative actions. Now what is it? Has it changed? Not really...Why do we hate? Because we see something we normally love, corrupted according to our mental perceptions. When do we argue the hardest? When we find a view we can respect or relate to, but it does not line up with our current view and so the threat level increases. Why do we measure ourselves according to others? Because we see something to be measured against. Perspective.

Can I love my enemies? No. Why? Because I have no enemies. Even one trying to take your life? Especially one trying to take my life. How is this so? Because if I feel threatened by any individual, I have already lost myself in it. By viewing them as simply a perception I have to come to terms with, I am able to see them for what they are, and measure myself against my own expectations, thus growing my conscious spans of the perceptual spectrum. How I respond may be different from another (given my life, I may express myself physically and engage, whereas another man of peace would express themselves in a more superior manner, spiritually, and without physical expression). Who is to say about the outcome of either man, either way?

Because your company is valued to me, I share my viewpoint with you so that we can grow in our understanding together, because I too feel this 'opposite' reaction most often Bawdie, and I wish to understand it better myself.

My question, in your opinion, is it something that should be overcome? This psychological balancing game, or should it be embraced until we better understand those inner love/hate perceptions within ourselves? I know what your saying and I am curious alongside ya, there are some on this site who seem to be incredible examples of this 'positive spirituality,' while maintaining a realistic human modesty...this sparks my curiosity as well. I know where I stand in my eyes, but I want to know how they stand through theirs, perhaps I can expand my awareness by appreciating their viewpoints ya know?

I don't know Bawdie, this life is pretty wild and I'm usually only lucky enough to see a coin spinning in the air, let alone figure out if heads or tails is the most likely outcome. I am, as always, resigned to my most finite opinion.

PS: In another thread you ask how does one relate in real life as opposed to how they relate here. To me it's easier to communicate in real life. Here I have to justify everything I say, in real life if I smile, you always understand my meaning.
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PostMon May 18, 2009 11:51 pm » by Theshee


@ bawdiemaude I can't understand if you have a problem with excepting free love or giving it?? Maybe both?? True love goes way beyond a fart lol smelly feet, bad breath, muggers, rapist's etc etc Does a person have to deserve your love, does it come with conditions??? I know with a lot of people it does...
I believe love begins with yourself, truly unconditionally loving yourself, warts an all, until you can do that there is no hope of giving or sharing true love. When we can share the love we feel inside, it rises above all physical limitations to rise to our higher truth that goes way beyond the physical. And with this brings freedom... it is a 'in spite of everything' kinda love, in other words you just love... its the trump card... its should really be treasured and nurtured forever and a day... could it be your confusing true love with romantic or attraction love??? Although it is still love it is a passionate love, an attraction whether physical or sexual. Its a 'if' love a 'because' love... I hope that made sense, it did to me!

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PostTue May 19, 2009 2:04 am » by Bawdiemaude


@ theshee
god i dont know whats up with me today- it seems i am writing japanese.... :ohno:

what i was trying to discuss is a love that is deeper than a quaint 'i love you'

i said I DO send love to rapists

I do love the stinky fart man

of course i do - my point is that before i say 'i love you' -i like to mean it....

i am also acknowleging that with love is hate...for want of a better term - i had avoided using that term as it is simplistic and not what i exactly mean
beauty and ugliness is maybe more apt

i love passionately and deeply
i love lightly and frivolously
i have children so i understand the love beyond everything - its that kind of love im talking about-

my point today was how can we know the deeper depths of love without embracing the ugliest things.......

im sorry i was not clear.........

do you think google do the translator bawdiemaude to english - sigh

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PostTue May 19, 2009 2:16 am » by Ou812dan


Thanks Lainn! :clapper: I feel the same way. Love is THE most important thing in the universe. Nothing defeats Love!

Oh yeah...almost forgot to ask... When's the party :?:

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PostTue May 19, 2009 3:28 am » by lainn


bawdiemaude wrote:( i was so disturbed by this post - (what s wrong with me for gods sake?? i send love to murderers and rapist and i dont want to get close enough to them to smell their fart etc), but all the mush here prompted me to go to my studio and using the gunk from the bottom of my sinks start smearing it on the new mandala i made - my reason- i want to make the deposited, ignored and revilled - BEAUTIFUL for some reason it seems more real, meaningful and relevant than paintings of daisies? sigh but everyone loves paintings of daisies!!! );)


@Bmaude....i'm so pleased of the effect this thread had on you....i have read the last few post between you, roshi8 and theeshe.....i feel your question...feel it literally....i have learnt through my experinces of questioning and defining such a concept...an emotion ...that it cannot be defined....it is multi faceted and multi-dimentional as all in existence...a mothers love for a child is different than a childs love for its mother....man to woman...god to man...man to his god...that list is infinite.....yes ...it does possess properties of both light and dark i beleive...both etremes are filled with it one way or the other....simply....one can love to love and one can love to hate and all other varriations of that....it is another word lost in the semantics of its singular presentation....it is another word that is plural.....it gives me joy inside to know that though disturbed by all the mush presented...you found inspiration....to scrape the gunk from the bottom of your sinks for a new mandala....creation....a love granted through what has been given..if this is true then you have embraced it in your own way....it was my intent for this to reach whom it would have in what ever situation to manifistate what it was supposed to.....in the end...for you....creation again....i do hope you allow me to veiw it after our journey to the cays...it makes the meeting at this point smeard with an intriguing hint of purpose.....if i'm as bold to make an observation....because their was something else that resonated with what you wrote and your question.....360 degrees back around to feeling what you have written.....i feel that somewhere you have know and tasted what it means to have been a victim......i feel it because i have been granted this lesson of being one myself....if so...then we have more in common than we both know... i have a feeling that we are meant to meet.......we shall share our wine....and i shall know your spirit for my intent is to allow you to know my own.

btw....Baudiemaude..........
I love you......and through it all...i know you can live with that.

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PostThu May 21, 2009 10:58 pm » by Bawdiemaude


the moon has twisted its eye slightly awas from me.....and as a result my hormones have shifted.....

now i cant return to my burning passion - though i am still working on the gunk piece- i now have silver and white on there for a nice little juxtaposition and those wandering into my studio have said - wow its so beautiful...

anyway

Lainn you ask about victim... mmm i remember talkign about victim on some thread here.

and @ mug and @ lain
i think there is a similarity to what i was getting at about love and the concept of victim.....if the natural balancing is likened to our reactions to events that might possibly create the dynamic of ' victim/ perpetrator' then also we are swinging between the dynamic of 'love/hate'

@ theshee how did you feel when you thought i was expressing an inability to love unconditionally- were you upset for me? or did you calmly send me love - it bothered you enough to respond....how has that affected how you view me?..what i mean is - we react and then react again- swinging as MUG explained.....searching for balance from one feeling to the antithesis...

so

to answer your question lain and mug to be a victim or to be able to transcend personality to avoid the swinging pendulum of extremes- i think YES i want to transcend that.....

i dont want to view myself as victim or merely love....in that, in essence i am both love and hate and victim and perpetrator but all at the same time- duality being a human understanding..imo not the truth of the universe.
To BE in the fullness of who i am - my essence- i believe i have to hold both equally lightly.
victim/perpetrator and love/hate....of course these are just two examples......

but to that end- to transcend the 'balancing' i pray now, to live through my essence - not the structure of my personality......

i have really really tried to express this clearly- and i realise that maybe my smile and wild gesticulations might be why in real life my dear friends seem to understand me!! or maybe they are lying or just as crazy as i am!!!

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PostThu May 21, 2009 11:09 pm » by Bawdiemaude


@ lainn

i will accept your 'i love you' as i assume implicit in it is 'i hate you'

and of course you are welcome to visit my studio any time- i think you will love it - its dirty raw chaotic but entirely liberating!!!!

and yes thanks for the inspiration - maybe ill name the piece of art after you.....!!

but do you have an alter ego? a dark side a character inside to balance the sweet aspect you present here? if you give me the name of that personality i will call the piece of art both names - for balance!!

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PostThu May 21, 2009 11:38 pm » by lainn


bawdiemaude wrote:@ lainn

i will accept your 'i love you' as i assume implicit in it is 'i hate you'

and of course you are welcome to visit my studio any time- i think you will love it - its dirty raw chaotic but entirely liberating!!!!

and yes thanks for the inspiration - maybe ill name the piece of art after you.....!!

but do you have an alter ego? a dark side a character inside to balance the sweet aspect you present here? if you give me the name of that personality i will call the piece of art both names - for balance!!


alter ego?........yes.....and she's completely porno..i will whisper her name to you in a dream .....and if you don't receive as well as the samurai (MRoshi8)......i will give her to you upon walking through the doors of your chaotic studio....btw....this weekend ...yes?..our cuban friend remembers you quite well....you have stories don't ya Bmauade......for some reason i can't pm you back...i think i'm not the only one experiencing this.....
after reading what Hesop has sent it seems to have been a success....i'm a bit taken back by it all...@Hesop....i'm fine and there is no misinturputation....no worries ;) .....@Roshi8....anytime samurai....will be sure to seek out that film..and i'll wait until the end....

@Theeshee....it's stupid....but i saw that blue butterfly whilst attempting ....i was afraid to mention...it freaked me out a bit when my mind tried to rationalize if there was a connection....anyways....nevermind.


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