Man Carries Gun Openly into Mall, Gets Harassed

[Constabul Profile]

I was just interested in your opinion my friend... how do I message you privately?

Should be able to send through the dtv mail system, if that doesn't work, let me know.
I'll try sending u one too.

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Check yo mail.
reply if ye got it.

[Constabul Profile]

Here is a video.

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Dealing with Numbers. It is already lined out here. So i have no need to go over it again.
It may have morgan fellow in the title, But it is not him, nor alex. It is some local news station fact checking. Just so you know it is what it is.

The great gun control fallacy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... mas-sowell

Yes as the view has been expressed, gun laws do not stop criminals. In fact it fuels a blackmarket as seen in drug trade.
Do we need to go there to draw comparisons?


Pro gun anti gun. That is just political show to make you feel you are a part of something.
Is there a chance gun law will change to some degree, certainly just like there is a chance that in the next cycle of political shift that every bit will be reversed. We have had assault weapon bans before. It did not change anything. Big reason why it was reversed.
So ride that high, enjoy the waves.

Yes there is evidence that an armed populace prevents not only crime but the over reach of government. The most brutal dictators and rulers had something in common. A unarmed populace.
see hitler, stalin, mao, and others for further details..

Here are some useful sites. If you want facts numbers, or play what if games.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commen ... -realities
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

I've stated the facts, I've stated the laws, and rights. The reasoning behind such decisions. I've gone over the what ifs of moral choices vs legal choices.

I'm not sure what more there is to say. Numbers are being introduced. I have provided video and links to numbers if that is what some of you need. It's great you have feeling and opinions about my country.

The vast Majority speaking against this fellow in this thread are not my countrymen. Which does not surprise me your opinion vary the way they do. My whole point has been to provide you all with the knowledge of what our rights are, what our laws are, and reasoning that fuels them, despite popular opinion, or feelings, or sentiment.

At the end of the day, It is one person, and one person alone responsibility to provide you with protection in an unforgiving world, That is you.
More so if you have family as their protection is your responsibility too.
For us here, in america That includes gun rights, open carry and conceal carry laws. Among the normal things one would expect, such as knives, baseball bats, and a verity of other implements.
To have a tool, and not use it for its intended purpose is foolish.

If you can not understand the culture, whatever. Tho make no mistake, it is our culture, and will continue to be. I do not buy into gun seizures, outright bans, or any variation there of. It is a practical impossibility. As we have two vary large open borders, an a established ownership that is in every state, both registered and unregistered.
My ending sentiment.. statement.. is this.
We take measure to insure our safety in a number of ways, driving, eating, swimming, you name it, we take safety measures to insure we go home at the end of the day, This includes carrying firearms, It is the reason law enforcement does it, it is the reason every citizen in America should become versed in firearms and do it. If people feel they need to open carry or conceal carry to achieve this. That is their choice. They are not less of a person, they are not pussies, they are not scared. They are empowered. As every person should be, to fend off those who would pray upon them. For themselves, for their family, and for others who can not.. Simple.
I feel sorry for those who can not take such measures.
But people all over the world do just that in different ways, Be it a boxing ring, martial arts training, military training, well placed items in the home, you name it. It is no different.

[Jet17 Profile]

What's with this "deterred" bullshit? I said shot. Shot isn't something ambiguous or difficult to measure. Your "deterred" stat is at least partially arrived at by gun owners self reporting.

Your cite goes to a place with it's agenda in the URL, mine was published in the American Journal of Epidemiology..

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

The Journal of Criminology has an agenda? I didn't know that. I am willing to bet you took a look at the link and ignored what was inside.

No, matter.

If you would have read it, it would have shown that 2.5 million people are saved by guns a year, where less than 7,000 die in our country, and 11,000 injuries are suffered, where the degree of injury could vary.

I am sorry, but I would much rather have people being saved in the count of millions by having firearms, than to allow a select few elite hoop jumpers and criminals have guns, which increases violent crime rates and robberies in other countries that have enacted these policies.

I guess it all depends on how you look at it. If you think 1 life is worth a thousand people getting raped, that is your choice.

I would rather keep people from getting raped, and promote safe gun handling and self responsibility, than have a misinformed majority decide that they aren't manly enough or responsible enough to own a fire arm, so everyone has to be a woman like them.

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[Middleman Profile]

All this thread proves is that you can't argue politely or rationally with irrational, rude people....try as you might.

Jet, I would have thought it obvious that I read it with my comment about the weakness of self reporting "deterrence", which you know is correct, or you would have come back guns a blazing.

I missed that it was published by Northwestern Uni, so I apologize for that.

See fellas, that's what a reasonable person does when they're wrong. When was the last time you admitted to yourself that were wrong about anything, Jet, or you, Constabul?

This doesn't detract from my main criticism, which was that you were comparing something virtually impossible to quantify (deterrence) with something upon which we have solid data (people who got shot).

You have a go at me for not reading your citation. Did you read mine?

[Iwanci Profile]

In the interest of fairness and maturity as someone directly above this post has stated... I am willing to make a concession on this topic from my view point.

What things look like from without are often quite different than what they are from within.

Whilst the gun debate escalates and opinions fly in from all and sundry, one of the most paramount things that often gets missed is the ease at which people 'judge', 'cast aspertions' and indeed force 'opinion' without truly understanding the long standing cultural issues which often underpin an argument of this nature.

So, here I stand stating quite categorically that, although I have my own opinions on the topic of gun ownership, I do NOT truly understand the culture that encompases these issues in some US states. So I cannot coment on what the people there are thinking, how their lives will be improved, what security they will feel with gun controls etc etc.. I believe that the only the people this matter concerns can and should be left to make a decision on this matter..

I feel that commenting or indeed voicing views is akin to telling some cultures that what they are doing (no matter how generational it was) is wrong.. do we really have the right to impose change? Is this not the same as what we resent from our neighbors?

I believe that each state in the US should be governed on this issue by the people it affects within that state... if the people want the change then fantastic, if the people do not want the change, then who has any rights to impose an unwanted change? To do so flies against the basic principles and spirit of freedom and democracy.

So again, thank you Con for making me understand this point,,, which I missed in all the hype.

Haven't changed my mind on how I think things should play out, but I have no critisicm of the wishes of the people...

So, good luck with the change or status quo, either way, I am sure that you will decide on the right course of action for your circumstances.. as for us downunder, we have a different set of laws, but these are predicated on a different set of cultural virtues, so the two cannot be rightfully compared.


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[Scouser012 Profile]

So i take it by your comments your stance is that people (And this fellow included) do not have a moral right to take protective measures in making sure their safety if watched out for...

Listen to what you are saying... You are saying it is ok for a fully grown man to put fear into many others just to settle his own silly fears, and i say silly because the whole argument for taking a gun to the mall is silly, thinking you are going to get mugged or raped around every corner is silly.

The man is an idiot.

ok.. again you simplistic nature speaks volumes.
A gun is but a tool, same as a knife, and same for your hands, when you train them to be that way. In the way of training you are taking protective measures to try and ensure your safety.
And you just by your expressed sentiment feel we as people do not morally have that right.. lol

Yes, a gun is a tool... a killing tool. It is a much more efficent tool for killing than a knife, and reqiures a lot less strength and skill to use one to kill. As i have said many times, my nan could kill Mike Tyson if she had a gun, but if she only had a knife i would back Mike Tyson. How you can say i have a simplistic nature is beyond funny! You think the problems of life could be solved by having a gun and silly laws are more important than moral values, how simplistic is that?

Why ask me to answer again. after i gave you the answer.
Enjoy walking dead, season 1 was ok, but 2 kinda sucked. turned super drama.
haven't watched 3 yet.

You never gave me a direct answer, it was a simple yes or no answer. You think yes it is ok for a grown man to scare little kids just to ease his own silly fear, but you don't want to say yes because you know you will look a fool. If you say no it makes your whole argument invalid, so it's a hard question for you.

Yes or no?

Oh and Season 3 is already better than 1+2 combined!

[Scouser012 Profile]

I guess it all depends on how you look at it. If you think 1 life is worth a thousand people getting raped, that is your choice.

That is a very silly and weak argument...

For starters, much much more than 1 person has died in your country due to poor gun control, do you actually just ignore all the people who died recently when making comments like that? If you had tougher gun controls you would be saving much more than 1 person. Please tell me, are your current outdated gun laws stopping people from getting raped today? I don't think so, i am sure many people in America still get raped, just like in the rest of the world. Maybe it does help a few women feel safe to carry a gun, but then again arguments for tougher gun control are not against stable minded women to have guns to defend themselves, they are for keeping guns out of the hands of the wrong type of people.

[The57ironman Profile]

You think it is ok for a grown man to scare little kids just to ease his own silly fear

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...false premise.......

[Scouser012 Profile]

You think it is ok for a grown man to scare little kids just to ease his own silly fear

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...false premise.......

No it's not.

I have read the reason he got told to leave was because he was scaring the kids who were in the mall.