Man Carries Gun Openly into Mall, Gets Harassed

[The57ironman Profile]

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.....there you go....supposing.....and probably


....all that feel good nonsense that brings everyone a piece of paper saying ''gun free zone''


you're laughable

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[Scouser012 Profile]

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.....there you go....supposing.....and probably


....all that feel good nonsense that brings everyone a piece of paper saying ''gun free zone''


you're laughable

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Don't see any evidence that proves otherwise.

[Scouser012 Profile]

Also before you run away, please answer my moral question, as it is the thing i have been arguing the whole time, he was an idiot for what he did morally, not legally.

You have only used that word since Iwanci mentioned it. Your sentiment. Your feeling has been based in that (and let me go back to the last two pages, where your stance changed a bit.)
A. "If he had just concealed his weapon there wouldn't be any fuss, and he knew that, that's why he is an idiot."
and
B. "in MY opinion he only did that to get a reaction, that is why he is a bit of an idiot, nothing more."

And I will answer Iwanci question again.
"He was legally in his right, He WAS morally in his right.
When Criminals Start obeying Morals, and i mean rapist, murders, robbers, etc. then you have some ground to walk on till then man. I like you and all, but you are pissing up a rope."

But keep in mind that comment was for Iwanci, Who I do genuinely like all in all. Where as you, have more then on one instance made yourself out to be a moron,.. Meant in the nicest way of course.

Yes, Morally he has a right to do so. Criminals do not suspend their action for sentiment, or feelings. SO why in the world do you think law abiding citizens should.
Don't give me this recent events bullshit.
The real world is a nasty fucked up place. As we are all aware. Anyone expressing their right to take protective measures is with in their moral right, and here in the US in their legal right.

I'm sorry you can not wrap your head around that. Fortunately that is your issue not mine

Cut the bullcrap, so you are answering yes?

You think he was morally right. Thank you, just shows what type of person you are.

Off to watch the walking dead, will pick this up tomorrow.

[Constabul Profile]

Also before you run away, please answer my moral question, as it is the thing i have been arguing the whole time, he was an idiot for what he did morally, not legally.

You have only used that word since Iwanci mentioned it. Your sentiment. Your feeling has been based in that (and let me go back to the last two pages, where your stance changed a bit.)
A. "If he had just concealed his weapon there wouldn't be any fuss, and he knew that, that's why he is an idiot."
and
B. "in MY opinion he only did that to get a reaction, that is why he is a bit of an idiot, nothing more."

And I will answer Iwanci question again.
"He was legally in his right, He WAS morally in his right.
When Criminals Start obeying Morals, and i mean rapist, murders, robbers, etc. then you have some ground to walk on till then man. I like you and all, but you are pissing up a rope."

But keep in mind that comment was for Iwanci, Who I do genuinely like all in all. Where as you, have more then on one instance made yourself out to be a moron,.. Meant in the nicest way of course.

Yes, Morally he has a right to do so. Criminals do not suspend their action for sentiment, or feelings. SO why in the world do you think law abiding citizens should.
Don't give me this recent events bullshit.
The real world is a nasty fucked up place. As we are all aware. Anyone expressing their right to take protective measures is with in their moral right, and here in the US in their legal right.

I'm sorry you can not wrap your head around that. Fortunately that is your issue not mine

Cut the bullcrap, so you are answering yes?

You think he was morally right. Thank you, just shows what type of person you are.

Off to watch the walking dead, will pick this up tomorrow.

So i take it by your comments your stance is that people (And this fellow included) do not have a moral right to take protective measures in making sure their safety if watched out for...

ok.. again you simplistic nature speaks volumes.
A gun is but a tool, same as a knife, and same for your hands, when you train them to be that way. In the way of training you are taking protective measures to try and ensure your safety.
And you just by your expressed sentiment feel we as people do not morally have that right.. lol

Why ask me to answer again. after i gave you the answer.
Enjoy walking dead, season 1 was ok, but 2 kinda sucked. turned super drama.
haven't watched 3 yet.

[Recode Profile]

Would this situation actually "scare" the kids? The initial reaction yes, but after I'm sure they would be more curious about the situation and ask their parents, forcing the parent to teach them some real shit.

Later that night they would go to bed either unaffected, or with a made up opinion leaning to either side. Would that be so bad? Especially given all the shootings lately.

Also kids see guns in TV/cartoons,games, etc. all the damn time. They're not that sensitive. If the guy started waving the gun around and unhooking it from the holster for no reason, or any other agressive motions, yes by all means he would be an idiot.

To me this "you're scaring the kids" crap just feels like playing the victim card to much. Like one of the last things when the argument has nothing else to stand on.

Just my 2 cents.

[Iwanci Profile]

On this topic I believe (my opinion) that the 'majority' rule will prevail... this will mean that with all your banter and sense of righteousness, your laws will soon be changed and you will all come kicking and screaming into the 21century...


to this the rest of the world says.....


Any point 'pro gun lobbyists' are making, are moot point simply because the VAST majority of your citizens do NOT agree with them, and this will be proven when the laws you wrap your arguments around are changed as part of the democratic society that you live in, and that you have used to reinforce your arguments (ie, you cant have it both ways.

The 'rights' that are being pointed to are outdated and obsolete...

Sorry to pop your bubble friends, but on this one "Alea iacta est"...


The people you defend in your posts are the very same people who have brought the gun debate where it is and the very same people who will ensure not only that your gun ownership becomes more tightly regulated, but the types of guns you cherish will also be limited.

So defend away, in doing so you are giving the PTB all the amunition they need to force change (pardon the pun)...

Now, don't hurl abuse at me just cos of my opinion please.... save it for the clowns who are doing your cause the most harm.... idiots like this guy in the mall.

or maybe... TPTB are planting these clowns amongst your ranks to trick people into seeing how illogical, irrational and insensitive people in the gun lobby are... maybe?

[Endless16 Profile]

And yes i would say it to his face, by the looks of him he needs a gun!

What a moronic statement. What are you going to do fistfight a 9mm?

Listen man, wanna talk looking stupid. It's cool, you are not from America, and do not understand our laws, and the constitution they are based from. No problem. You think people live in the world where sentiment and feeling rule actions. I get it.

Just leave it there. Log off, or open another thread Try to be something you actually understand.. Me kicking a dead horse, and playing marry go round with you is not my thing.
I went well out my way to be nice about this, and explain why it is, the way it is.
As to insults, you have been fishing for them since page 3 or 4. You finally got what you wanted.
And you deserve every bit of it.

Quit trying to be like me. If your wit isn't quick enough to think of it, why do you think copying it is going to make you look any better, Thanks for the flattery tho.

The guy in the video was being insensitive (An idiot, if you like) to the other people in the shop in that he brought a weapon into a public place at a time when in America the news media hasn't stopped talking about how dangerous guns are. The ignorant masses must be terrified by now with the campaign they are raining down, I must have seen clips of 10 different guests get into an argument with Piers "I'm a fucking prick" Morgan on his show over the last couple of weeks. I'm not from America either, thank fuck, however I understand your laws, and I understand also this guys fear which is brought on by your media at the moment in the wake of the anti-civilian firearm sentiment coming from the press there right now which I think led him to exercise his rights in carrying a weapon with him for protection while out shopping, he's a pussy for doing so, he should have taken his chances IMO, but he was within his rights. He should have left his gun at home on moral grounds, since he didn't have a conceal-carry license and was forced to have the weapon on display which would have made the other shoppers (AKA ignorant masses) nervous. Why can't you guys see that perspective?

I've already said my perspective on this matter, I'm merely explaining why Scouser is looking at this the way he is, being from a much less criminally insane country it is obviously a little hard to understand why one would feel the need to carry a gun around in public to defend yourself from psychotic killers. Europe has 30-40 gun related murders a year (in a single EU country), and much lower overall murder rates than the US or Mexico, Mexico has strict gun laws and they still have a massive murder rate involving guns. I think the only thing that matters is the will to kill someone, criminals by definition do not follow the laws of the land, and unfortunately for you guys over there there seems to be a ridiculous amount of said criminals for whatever reason, it is beyond me why so many Americans seem to snap, but they do sure enough.

Statistics in the US show that softer gun laws lead to more "good" citizens carrying weapons which is an active incentive for criminals not to commit crimes for fear of reprisals. Stricter gun laws tend to do the opposite, empowering the criminal elements.

[Iwanci Profile]

Here's an easy question for you to answer on this topic...

In a country with no guns, how many gun related incidences would there be?


Now... in a population of 100 Million, if ONE person has a gun what is the likelihood of a gun related incidence?


Now.. in the same country, if everyone has a gun.. what is the likelihood of a gun related incidence?

I think logic speaks for itself on this one... more guns = more likelihood for gun related incidences...

It is NO different from car accidents, the more cars drive on the road the more likelihood for car accidents...

There is NO evidence NONE that shows that having more guns actually prevents crime, sorry but how do you measure a crime that hasn't occured? Do you survey the pre-crime criminal and ask... "hey, did you just stop yourself commiting a crime becuase someone had a gun?"...

The correct answer is that you simply cannot justfy any stats on uncommitted crime, the only stats you can work with are crime stats that have occured... and even these are open for interpretation, depending on which side of the fence you sit on...


Another example... how many people did nuclear bombs kill before any country owned a nuclear weapon?

None is the answer..

Now, why is everyone getting bent out of shape with the prospect that Iran wanting to own nuclear power plants when they can 'legally' do so and they have a 'sovereign right' to do so.. I mean, so what if they end up owning a nuclear weapon?? They haven't used it against anyone right?

So? Are you guys against Iran owning a nuclear weapon or indifferent? Using your logic, you should be indifferent, but I am betting you are against... am I right?

[Constabul Profile]

So? Are you guys against Iran owning a nuclear weapon or indifferent? Using your logic, you should be indifferent, but I am betting you are against... am I right?

Haven't had a moment to read over the recent replies. will shortly, but to this
I am indifferent, I could care less honestly.
this is going off this statement alone mind you.

[Iwanci Profile]

I was just interested in your opinion my friend... how do I message you privately?