Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:31 am » by **armageddonangel**

boondox681 wrote:
Doesn't that suggest the lawmakers share the burden of responsibility

no.
i am responsible for my own words,acts and deeds.
what a concept.

i can get a gun in 15 minutes with one phone call.
if he wanted a gun,he'll get it.

I agree with responsibility surrounding our personal actions 100%.
I too can get an unregistered in minutes; but it wouldn't be a legal purchase.
That's my point. His was 100 legal.

I once lived in NJ and NYC and was denied a handgun permit for an under-aged fight several years prior to applying.
It took 6month to get denied, and another 6 months to appeal and get.

There's no way in hell this guy would have been granted a license in either of those states.
The fact he was able to in AZ proves my point entirely.
It's laws are too loosely defined and enforced.

Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:32 am » by **Iwanci**

Sorry to say this.. the gun laws in the US (mostly) are farked up!

In all honesty, who truly needs a gun? Honestly!

Limit gun availability and you would invariably limit propensity for their use.

READ CAREFULLY!!!!

I am not saying that if you limit their availability you ‘eliminate’ gun related crime, I am saying that making it more difficult to obtain guns and limiting guns in circulation would by pure definition lead to a ‘decrease’ in the availability of guns and hence the decrease gun related crime, making your society a little safer.

I’ll prove my theory with a theory:
Count up how many ‘grenade’ related crimes occur in the US on a yearly basis.

Now, introduce a bill making ‘grenade’ ownership a right and allow grenades to be sold to anyone with a licence. I will bet my house and two testicles that you will see a marked increase in ‘grenade’ related crime in the US.

Don’t argue with me on this one or I’ll come to the US and shoot your ass!!!

Cheers

Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:42 am » by **Epicfailure**

iwanci wrote:Sorry to say this.. the gun laws in the US (mostly) are farked up!

In all honesty, who truly needs a gun? Honestly!

Limit gun availability and you would invariably limit propensity for their use.

READ CAREFULLY!!!!

I am not saying that if you limit their availability you ‘eliminate’ gun related crime, I am saying that making it more difficult to obtain guns and limiting guns in circulation would by pure definition lead to a ‘decrease’ in the availability of guns and hence the decrease gun related crime, making your society a little safer.

I’ll prove my theory with a theory:
Count up how many ‘grenade’ related crimes occur in the US on a yearly basis.

Now, introduce a bill making ‘grenade’ ownership a right and allow grenades to be sold to anyone with a licence. I will bet my house and two testicles that you will see a marked increase in ‘grenade’ related crime in the US.

Don’t argue with me on this one or I’ll come to the US and shoot your ass!!!

Cheers

that is probably one of the weakest arguments I have heard, but I understand where you are coming from, it's not the guns that make killing readily available, it's the mindset of the people that are wielding them...

if someone had some brass knuckles on them and felt like going on a rager with them they would...

same as if someone had a grenade (as hard as those are to make and set, let alone get one) they will use whatever they can get their hands on...

like and old lady to defend herself would use her purse to hit a crook.

now imagine if that old lady had a gun to protect her frail hip and belongings that belong to her.... the outcome would be alot differently

Ahhhhh guns, the equality peacemaker!

Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:59 am » by **Iwanci**

Epic, I agree totally it is not the guns that kill.. heard the argument before.

What is weak is the mindset that cannot do away with an instrument of death. Guns are not built to maim, nor are they built as fashion accessories, they are built to KILL end of story.

I would have a greater chance of defending myself against someone with ‘brass knuckles’ than someone with a gun, I am sure you would also.

I think society needs to understand and deal with the social issues underline the ‘why’ someone needs to or wants to rob a little old lady, putting a gun in her hands won’t do jack to fix that dilemma. On the contrary I would argue that if one robber gets shot, the next will likely learn that he needs to take the old lady out before taking her bag.. and so it snowballs in the wrong direction.

I agree with you that anything can be used as a weapon, a knife, a car, a plane we all know it.. we will never stomp out criminal minds or acts of mindless stupidity, but what we can do is make it harder for them to perpetuate the damage. I believe most of the gun crimes reported shock us because they not only affect normal everyday people like me and you, but they are perpetrated by normal everyday [people like me and you. A criminal will always have access to guns that is the sad reality, interestingly enough however most criminals use guns during ‘criminal’ activities. What is disturbing however, is the amount of people who are using guns in ‘non criminal’ related activities, like for example to settle an argument, to seek attention, to fulfil fantasies and illusions.. it is these people I am talking about.

I may have utopian views on this topic, however, imagine a world with no guns?? Just saying it would be nice to know that a sniper won’t likely be taking pot shots at me from the boot of his car.

Anyway, I guess this is why I live in Australia, not the perfect place but at least I know I will likely be safer down here than up there in the US.

My opinion only dude by the way, not having lived in the US I can’t really comment on your social values nor the ‘threats’ you confront on a daily basis..

cheers.

Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:09 am » by **grev**

They're trolling. They want us to get mad.

Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:18 am » by **Epicfailure**

iwanci wrote:Epic, I agree totally it is not the guns that kill.. heard the argument before.

What is weak is the mindset that cannot do away with an instrument of death. Guns are not built to maim, nor are they built as fashion accessories, they are built to KILL end of story.

I would have a greater chance of defending myself against someone with ‘brass knuckles’ than someone with a gun, I am sure you would also.

I think society needs to understand and deal with the social issues underline the ‘why’ someone needs to or wants to rob a little old lady, putting a gun in her hands won’t do jack to fix that dilemma. On the contrary I would argue that if one robber gets shot, the next will likely learn that he needs to take the old lady out before taking her bag.. and so it snowballs in the wrong direction.

I agree with you that anything can be used as a weapon, a knife, a car, a plane we all know it.. we will never stomp out criminal minds or acts of mindless stupidity, but what we can do is make it harder for them to perpetuate the damage. I believe most of the gun crimes reported shock us because they not only affect normal everyday people like me and you, but they are perpetrated by normal everyday [people like me and you. A criminal will always have access to guns that is the sad reality, interestingly enough however most criminals use guns during ‘criminal’ activities. What is disturbing however, is the amount of people who are using guns in ‘non criminal’ related activities, like for example to settle an argument, to seek attention, to fulfil fantasies and illusions.. it is these people I am talking about.

I may have utopian views on this topic, however, imagine a world with no guns?? Just saying it would be nice to know that a sniper won’t likely be taking pot shots at me from the boot of his car.

Anyway, I guess this is why I live in Australia, not the perfect place but at least I know I will likely be safer down here than up there in the US.

My opinion only dude by the way, not having lived in the US I can’t really comment on your social values nor the ‘threats’ you confront on a daily basis..

cheers.

they are not built to kill, they are built to shoot things. once again it's the persons hand you put it in that decides what to shoot.

I understand the notion of having the weak minded and carrying guns not being a good idea, unfortunately that is also another issue that is alot bigger than gun rights (or not depending on how you look at it) and that issue is poverty, education, training, and responsibility acceptance...

if everyone was educated and trained in how to handle a gun, educated to know rational thought and critical thinking. not living in poverty so they don't have to engage in dangerous activities that might further demoralize themselves and their society, and acknowledging their actions and the further consequences and pain and damage they will cause if they abuse of misuse a firearm.

that is what is needed, but that is why we still have a need for guns, because of those with ill intents, for sport, for hunting....

I don't know, this is something that is an issue that is connected to other social issues, that they themselves aren't being handled correctly either.

All I know is I would rather own a gun and know for a damn certainty that I would never bust a cortex component and go on a rash spree, and have the opportunity to familiarize myself with it so for that day when I may need it; I will have it and be able to use it efficiently and properly with precision to ensure my safety and the safety of the ones I love... rather than not have it, and lose it all.

Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:31 pm » by **Illuminated**

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In a talk given on the very day a gunman was apprehended at the University of Austin, American senior research scientist at the University of Maryland and gun rights expert John Lott explains why guns bans only serve to increase gun crime rates, why the pilots should be armed, and how statistics prove that since the DC handgun ban was lifted, there has been a dramatic drop in the murder rate.

Lott points to his research which proves that there isn't a place in the world where a gun ban lowers gun crime, in fact stricter firearms regulation habitually leads to an increase in murder rates, because the only people who follow such regulations are law-abiding citizens who turn in their guns and thus leave themselves vulnerable to armed criminals who don't obey the law.

Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:42 pm » by **Spock**

My guns are for protection, against a thug with brass knuckles.

They can also be used as a fashion accessory, but I prefer them as a deterrent, as well as insurance.

Take away guns, and you take away the "law-abiding" citizens ability to protect themselves and their family before the cops have time to show up.

Perfect reasoning right here...

Why I Carry a Gun and why you should Too

PEOPLE ASK WHY?

"Why I Carry a Gun?"

My old grandpa said to me son, 'there comes a time in every man's life when
he stops busting' knuckles and starts busting' caps and usually it's when he
becomes too old to take an ass whooping'.

I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this
world can be a scary place.

I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are
real threats in the world.

I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived
long enough to see the evil in the World.

I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I
understand the limitations of government.

I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to
spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I
want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere
tomorrow afternoon.

I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men
know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed
and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and
the people who make it meaningful to me.

Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the
crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

"Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take
an ass whooping'."

Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:43 pm » by **Nyarelathodep**

iwanci wrote:Not sure what the deal is, you will not need your guns and you will not be able to fight what is coming .

Get rid of the guns, level the playing fields! You are more likely to be attacked by your neighbor than the PTB.

Uh..yes...nieghbors ARE what the guns are for...for the most part. Most of those who have prepared to weather the ensuing chaos and lack of resources will become targets from those desperate souls who had not bothered to prepare. Level what playing field?

Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:31 pm » by **armageddonangel**

spock wrote:My guns are for protection, against a thug with brass knuckles.

They can also be used as a fashion accessory, but I prefer them as a deterrent, as well as insurance.

Take away guns, and you take away the "law-abiding" citizens ability to protect themselves and their family before the cops have time to show up.

Perfect reasoning right here...

Why I Carry a Gun and why you should Too

PEOPLE ASK WHY?

"Why I Carry a Gun?"

My old grandpa said to me son, 'there comes a time in every man's life when
he stops busting' knuckles and starts busting' caps and usually it's when he
becomes too old to take an ass whooping'.

I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this
world can be a scary place.

I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are
real threats in the world.

I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived
long enough to see the evil in the World.

I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I
understand the limitations of government.

I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to
spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I
want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere
tomorrow afternoon.

I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men
know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed
and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and
the people who make it meaningful to me.

Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the
crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

"Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take
an ass whooping'."

Why not avoid situations that would encourage that from occurring.
If it means move, move. If it means stop, stop. Life's too short.
I don't carry anymore... still alive... no bruises... Just sayin
There also comes a time to grow up and be peaceful
How can we progress with old-fashioned thoughts.
Momma said... Did anyone see the Water-boy?