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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 9:38 am » by 1973samtyler


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"A Christmas Ship Portent Sailed the Sky!"

In A.D. 1211 Gervase of Tilbury (1155 -1234) an English chronicler of historical events and curiosities, recorded this bizarre story. Here is a translation of Tilbury’s account from the "Otio Imperialia":

Version 1.
“A strange event in our own times, which is widely known but none the less a cause of wonder, provides proof of the existence of an upper sea overhead. It occurred on a feast day in Britain, while the people were struggling out of their parish church after hearing high mass. The day was very overcast and quite dark on account of the thick clouds. To the people’s amazement, a ship’s anchor was seen caught on a tombstone within the churchyard walls, with its rope stretching up and hanging in the air. They were advancing various opinions on the matter to each other, when after a time they saw the rope move as if it were being worked to pull up the anchor. Since, being caught fast, it would not give way, a sound was heard in the humid air as of sailors struggling to recover the anchor they had cast down.

Soon, when their efforts proved vain, the sailors sent one of their number down; using the same technique as our sailors here below, he gripped the anchor-rope and climbed down it, swinging one hand over the other. He had already pulled the anchor free, when he was seized by the bystanders. He then expired in the hands of his captors, suffocated by the humidity of our dense air as if he were drowning at sea. The sailors up above wasted an hour, but then, concluding that their companion had drowned, they cut the rope and sailed away, leaving the anchor behind. And so in memory of this event it was fittingly decided that that anchor should be used to make ironwork for the church door, and it is still there for all to see.”


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"An English King points to a UFO or comet."

Firstly, this story is of interest because of its age, being written up in medieval times and secondly, because of the chronicler, Gervase of Tilbury. Thirdly, because it appears to be ‘a close encounter of the third kind’. Some research reveals the possible origin of the story may be from Ireland.

Version 2.

“The annals say: when the monks of Clonmacnoise
Were all at prayers inside the oratory
A ship appeared above them in the air.
The anchor dragged along behind so deep
It hooked itself into the altar rails
And then, as the big hull rocked to a standstill,
A crewman shinned and grappled down the rope
And struggled to release it. But in vain.
This man can’t bear our life here and will drown,
The abbot said,unless we help him, So
They did, the freed ship sailed, and the man climbed back
Out of the marvellous as he had known it.”


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"Otio Imperialia."

The time may be the Feast day of St. Kieran (516 – 546), nevertheless, it’s well chronicled, with some interesting facets. If witnessed by the Monks of Clonmacnoise, then we would have ‘credible’ witnesses to an UFO event, since they would all be educated, with the ability to read and write. They describe the vehicle as a ‘Ship’, in reality it could have any shape – the only object that this people would understand, that could ‘sail’ through the sky, would be a ship! They would certainly not have words for ‘aircraft’ or any of our modern descriptions that we could apply to such a craft. Logically, then any ‘man’ from that ship would be a sailor.

That’s another point of interest, they say ‘man’ because they would have no word for ‘Humanoid’ , also interesting, is that these men of God, did not start shouting about ‘Demon’s’ or Devil spirits, they accepted that it was a ‘man’.

In version 1, the crewman, overcome by breathing in our air, expires and dies, that’s really interesting, in that how did the medieval mind, encompass an ‘alien’ who could not breath our air? After all, demons, spirits etc. sent from Hell to tempt man, they had no trouble with our air apparently! Where did that idea come from? Unless, they (the Monks) actually witnessed it.

There’s no real description of the ship, apart from that’s what it was described as, and that it ‘sails’ through the air.

If we take this story at face value (for discussion sake) then we have the possibly of three very interesting facts:

1. Physical evidence of a ‘ET’, in that the mortal remains of the ‘crewman’ may be buried in the local area, after all, I’m pretty sure that these men of God would have given the ‘man’ a decent Christian burial.

2. More physical evidence with the remains of the ‘anchor’ (which in fact, could have been some kind of probe, which accidently attached itself to the Church furniture) known apparently to have been incorporated in the Church (Abbey?) doors.

3. In version 2, how did the Abbot know the ‘man’ would die in our atmosphere? Had he previous dealings with such creatures? Hence, the Monks reaction to the visitors – no panic, no screaming about Devils or such. In fact they helped free the ship and save the ‘man’ – had the poor creature appeared in later centuries, he may have had an invitation to party with those son’s of fun: The Inquisition.

This allows a little conjecture here, Did our medieval ancestors know more than they committed to paper about people from the ‘sky’ and if so, are there more visits recorded by our ancestors?

This is just a little taste because surprisingly enough, there were other visits recorded in our not so dark past!

Sources and further reading:

1. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gervase_of_Tilbury_(DNB00)
2. http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/09/anchors-aweigh-sky-ships-and-storm-wizards/
3. http://www.alien-ufos.com/ufo-alien-discussions/18088-borough-cloera-help-needed.html
4. http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=298
5. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gervais_de_Tilbury Note: This is in French.
6. http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-history2.htm
7. http://suite101.com/article/royal-christmas-gift-giving-and-feasting-in-thethirteenth-century-a307867
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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 9:51 am » by Flecktarn


old art works depict loads of things in the sky ,i think we have always been visited ,people back then found this the internet of its time to show a image of what they seen in the best way they could portray it
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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 10:03 am » by 1973samtyler


Flecktarn wrote:old art works depict loads of things in the sky ,i think we have always been visited ,people back then found this the internet of its time to show a image of what they seen in the best way they could portray it


Your right, there are many references to such incidents and as the medieval period took shape, more of these 'strange happenings' started to be recorded, obviously using the language of the time, capturing the images or narratives as best they could having no digital media.

The other point to consider, is that, as the centuries rolled past and the Church became more powerful, I doubt that many stories were actually spread about, in fear of the repercussions that would follow. In early medieval times, especially in the Scandanavian Coutries, there was still a great deal of 'paganism'. Watch any Ingmar Bergman film about early Sweden - 'The Virgin Spring' comes to mind.

The word 'heritic' could have been applied to anyone passing these stories around, and we know what happened to them.

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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 10:33 am » by Switchtrip


Here is some.


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Ancient artwork depicting sailors seeing alien craft


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17th century drawing of a flying saucer appearing
over Windsor castle in England


Language

Keep this in mind: Language was completely different in past centuries. There were only a limited number of words that could be used to describe things which might be, frankly, indescribable. Try to describe an airplane using only the language available two thousand years ago and you'll see what I mean. In ancient times, Artwork was also used to depict memorable events.


A Large Silver Disc

St. Athanasius of Alexandria, a bishop, wrote a biography of St. Antony in A.D. 373. In it is a section titled "A Disc in the Desert", Here's what it says:

"Yet once more the Enemy (Satan), seeing (Antony's) zeal and wishing to check it, threw in his way the form of a large silver disc of silver. Antony, understanding the deceit of the Evil one, stood and looked at the disc and confuted the demon in it, saying, "Whence a disc in the desert,This is not a trodden road, and there is no track of any faring this way. And, it could not have Fallen unnoticed, being of huge size."

Great is the number in the air around us, and they are not far from us. But, there is much difference in them. It would be long to speak of their nature and differences, and such discourse is for others greater than us.

É weaving phantoms, taking forms of women, of beasts and reptiles, and gigantic bodies É they pretend to prophesy and to foretell things to come, and to show themselves taller than the roof and as vast phantoms to those whom they could not beguile with thoughts."8


Burning Globes

In Rome during the reign of Theodsius, A.D. 393, it was recorded that a huge luminous sphere accompanied by many smaller ones appeared over the fields outside of town. It was also recorded that the citizens basically panicked. 1

Roman writer Julius Obsequens told of people who had seen "burning globes" and "round shields" flying over Rome at night and during the day. 2

The above passage is similar to passages appearing in The Bible that describe Alien encounters.


Dragons in the Sky

It was reported that large "flame-breathing dragons" were flying over China in approximately A.D. 747. The records also speak of "men in airships" twelve hundred years before airplanes were invented! 3


Aerial Sailors

There have been many ancient Alien sightings throughout mankind's history.

The Archbishop of Lyons recorded that three men and a woman were seen disembarking from an "aerial ship." A gathering crowd panicked and began to stone the visitors. The archbishop also said that "aerial sailors" were arriving on ships in the clouds and bedeviled members of his church. 4



The following is a report from the Saxons, around A.D. 900:

"Those watching outside in that place, of whom many still live to this very day, say they beheld the likeness of two large shields, reddish in colour, in motion above the church, and when the pagans who were outside saw this sign, they were at once thrown into confusion and, terrified with great fear, they began to flee from the castle." 5



On August 3, 989, three glowing objects appeared over Japan. The objects all joined together to form one large brilliant ball in the sky. 6



Fiery Worms

Citizens in Switzerland in 1104 noted what appeared to be "fiery worms" in the sky. A professor at the University of Basil recorded, "They flew in the air and took away the light of the sun as if they had been clouds." 10


A Flying Pan?

Ancient Japanese records describe an "earthenware vessel" that flew out of a mountain in the Kii Province on October 27, 1180. This occurred about midnight and the "vessel" left behind a luminous trail. 9

Swimming in the Air

People attending church in 1211 at Gravesend in Kent, England, ran outside to watch a ship in the sky that had people on it! Some of the people on the ship "jumped off and swam in the air."


Source: http://www.aliens-everything-you-want-t ... story.html

I wouldn't believe everything from this source, but i believe these historical accounts to be true.

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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 10:47 am » by 1973samtyler


Thanks for the reply - loved the source link to http://www.aliens-everything-you-want-to-know.com/AncientAlienSightings.html

Why I like this incident, is the possibility of obtaining actual Physical evidence of an encounter, Despite the passage of years, there is a slight chance of finding some, if the real location of the story could be found.

But what really intrigued me was the recording of the witnesses reactions to the 'visitors', considering the time and place.

No real fear, in fact the monks helped the 'ship' sail on. Now, considering what we regard as 'Medieval Mentality' I think that deserves a look at.

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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 2:38 pm » by Switchtrip


600 Years of Ancient Alien Sightings



1271

During a scheduled execution in Tasunokuchi, Kamakura, Japan, a UFO appeared and scared off the populace. According to reports, "There appeared in the sky an object like a full moon, shiny and bright." The intended victim who was to be beheaded, a well-known priest named Nichiren, was spared.

1290

William of Newburgh's Chronicle in Yorkshire, England contains this description: "The abbot and monks were at a meal, when a flat, round, shining, silvery object flew over the abbey and caused the utmost terror."

1431

The entire population of the village of Angkor Wat mysteriously vanished. Large airships were seen in the area.

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Abandoned Village of Angkor Wat


1453

Strange lights were seen circling over Constantinople the night before the Turks conquered it. Some of the lights flew straight up at high speed and then split into many smaller lights. 12

March 17, 1458

Five "stars" appeared over Japan. They circled the moon, changed colors three times, then disappeared. The citizens of Kyoto, Japan, were so distressed by this event that they ran and hid, expecting the arrival of horrible disasters.

November 1, 1461

The French Duke of Bourgogne wrote in his memoirs that "an object appeared in the sky over France on the night of November 1, 1461. It was as long and wide as a half moon; it hung stationary for about a quarter of an hour, clearly visible, then suddenly É spiraled, twisted and turned like a spring and rose into the heavens." 13

1468

A large object making a "sound like a wheel" flies out of Mt. Kasuga. None of the citizens had seen anything like it before. 14

1479

A large "comet" is reported flying over Arabia. The comet is reported as having numerous windows on it. 15

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Natives pray to Alien Craft


1492

From the personal log of Christopher Columbus, during his famous voyage, comes this entry:

Saturday, 15 September, 1492

"And on this night, at the beginning of it, they saw fall from the sky a marvelous branch of fire into the sea at a distance of four to five leagues from them." 39



August 7, 1566

In Basil, Switzerland, a large number of black spheres were flying all over the sky. They appeared to be fighting one another. This battle was witnessed by hundreds, if not thousands, of people. In describing this activity, a newspaper article written by Samuel Coccius said, "Many became fiery and red, ending by being consumed and vanishing."

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Woodcut depicting alien battle over Switzerland in 1566


April 4, 1561

Over two hundred large cylinders, globes, and "spinning disks" flew over the skies of Nuremberg, Germany. People also reported seeing red, black, and orange globes, as well as "smoking spheres" coming out of the cylinders in the sky. 17

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Woodcut by Hans Glaser in 1566 of alien air battle over
Nuremberg, Germany in 1561


October 24, 1593

In Manila, Philippines, a soldier completely vanishes. The next day he reappeared in Mexico City! The man was able to completely describe the previous day's news from the Philippines. (Remember, there were no airplanes, no radio, no television).

1606

Large numbers of "spinning fireballs" are reported over Kyoto, Japan. A "whirling, red wheel" hovered over the Nijo Castle. The Samurai guards were put on alert. 18

August, 1666

A ball of light was seen by the citizens of Robozero, Russia, in the middle of a cloudless day. The ball was brighter than the sun. 19

July 9, 1686

A large ball flies across the sky in Leipzig, Germany and two smaller, glowing balls come out of it. 20

December 9, 1731

In Sheffield, England, Thomas Short described the following: "A dark red cloud, below which was a luminous body which emitted intense beams of light. The light beams moved slowly for awhile, then stopped. Suddenly, it became so hot that I could take off my shirt even though I was out of doors." Note: this event occurred in the middle of December.


A similar object appeared on the same day over Romania. Old manuscripts described it like this: "There appeared in the West, a great sign in the sky, blood-red and very large. It stayed in place for two hours, separated into two parts which then rejoined, and the object disappeared towards the west. 22

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Speeding disks in ancient times

January 2, 1749

Three globes "like the moon" appeared over Japan. People were so frightened that riots broke out. To try and calm things down, the government ordered anybody rioting "because of the globes" to be executed. Later "three moons" appeared. Days after that, "two suns" appeared. 23

1766

In Sweden three objects "like the moon" appeared in the sky and stayed for four days, then vanished never to be seen again. 24

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Luminous Globe emerges from water
In another incident that same year, a luminous globe appeared at night and projected beams of light out of it. 21 These seemingly minor incidents are quite remarkable because there was nothing in the skies in 1766 that could project a beam of light, except sunbeams coming through clouds.






Aliens In The Bible


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Biblical description of alien craft


The Bible has many references to other-worldly beings and flying saucers. If you are a student of the Bible, you can go back and reread the entire text with a new understanding. You will be astounded.

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Ancient art showing Christ on the cross with two
alien craft in the background
(Svetishoveli Cathedral, Mtskheta, Georgia, 17th century)

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The two images above were taken from an ancient fresco.
the fresco depicts one alien craft chasing another while
the pilot of the first craft looks back at the other.
In the fresco, each alien craft appears on opposite sides
of Christ on the cross.


Here is one remarkable passage from the books of Infancy and Protevangelion, taken from The Lost Books of the Bible. It actually describes the same experience many abductees have in our times, particularly the aspect of everything being stopped and all surrounding people being "switched off." (See my page on Alien Abductions.) Following is an event which happened to Joseph, just before the birth of Christ. Here is Joseph's description:

"I looked into the air, and I saw the clouds astonished, and the fowls of the air stopping in the midst of their flight. And I looked down towards the earth, and saw a table spread, and working people sitting around it, but their hands were upon the table, and they did not move to eat. They who had meat in their mouths did not eat. They who lifted their hands up to their heads did not draw them back. And they who lifted them up to their mouths did not put anything in, but all their faces were fixed upwards. And I beheld the sheep dispersed, and yet the sheep stood still. And the shepherd lifted up his hand to smit them, and his hand continued up. And I looked unto a river, and saw the kids with their mouths close to the water, and touching it, but they did not drink. 26

Then a bright cloud overshadowed the cave, and the mid-wife said, "This day my soul is magnified, for mine eyes have seen surprising things, and salvation is brought forth to Israel." But on a sudden the cloud became a bright light in the cave, so that their eyes could not bear it. And, behold, it was all filled with lights, greater than the light of lamps and candles, and greater than the light of the sun itself." 27

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Ancient artwork depicting the Baptism of Christ.
Note alien craft overhead
(By Aert de Gelder in 1710)


Aliens In Ancient Art

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16th Century fresco from a church shows an ancient astronaut rocketing across the sky. This was painted hundreds of years before the concept of aircraft came about.

Ancient Art

There are plenty of examples of aliens in ancient art that clearly depict the fact that UFOs and extraterrestrial beings were around in those days. ET's and flying saucers appear in cave paintings, tapestries, woodcuts and paintings.

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Flying Saucer appears in early fresco painting
Roman Fresco

In March, 1998, archaeologists unearthed a fresco in the ruins surrounding Rome. The fresco was a detailed painting of ancient Rome, yet the view was from the air! Scholars are dumbfounded; they can't figure out how it was done.

Flemish Painting

A painting made in 1710 by the Flemish painter Gelder, depicts the baptism of Christ. In the background there is a clear image of a flying disk with beams of light coming from it and shining down on the infant. The painting has not been retouched or altered in any way. It is on display at the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge, England.

Virgin Mary Painting
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This 15th century painting of the Virgin Mary shows a UFO in the background. A man is pointing up at it and his dog is barking at the object.

Fifteenth Century Painting

A painting done in the fifteenth century by Ghirlandaio shows the Virgin Mary in the foreground. In the background there is a man looking up at a disk. The disk has large sparks coming from it and the man is shielding his eyes from the disk. A dog at the man's side is barking up at the UFO. The painting is entitled Madonna and St. Giovannino, and can be found in the Loeser Collection, Palazzo Vecchio, in Florence, Italy. 34

A note about old paintings: If you were a artist living in the 13th through 18th centuries, you had to follow certain unwritten rules. If you wanted to depict something strange or different in a painting, you had to put that strange item in the background of the painting. In the foreground, you had to paint a religious scene or depict religious figures. Otherwise, you would be denounced as a devil worshiper and literally burned at the stake or beheaded. That's why all the UFOs in these ancient works of art are rendered small and in the background. 28

Australian Rock Art

Throughout the continent of Australia there are ancient drawings on the rocks which show beings with enlarged bald heads, large slanted eyes, and slits for mouths. They also depict orange globes floating in the skies. 29

African Cave Painting

An African cave painting depicts a being wearing headgear with antennae and flying through the air. The being is holding an animal in its arms. The painting is in Tassili-N-Ajer, Africa. The being has large, black slanted eyes and thin lips. 30

Ancient Woodcut

A woodcut done by Hans Glaser in 1566 depicts a battle among flying disks and flying cylinders that occurred over Nuremberg, Germany on April 4, 1561.

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Woodcut showing alien air battle in 1561

Russian Plate

A Russian archaeologist discovered an ancient plate in the mountains of Nepal. It is known as the Valenov Plate. The plate has been dated at about a thousand years old. The material the plate is made from is a combination of metal and ceramic, a process that even today is not possible. The plate very clearly shows a flying saucer and alien being.

Medieval Tapestry

A tapestry from medieval times is in the Collegiale Notre Dame, Beaune, France. In the foreground is a depiction of the Virgin Mary; however, in the background is a clear rendition of a flying saucer!

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Medieval tapestry with flying saucer in background



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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 2:53 pm » by monica44


There are also records in Europe that tell of strange disks being seen during onsets of the plagues etc...
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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 6:39 pm » by 1973samtyler


monica44 wrote:There are also records in Europe that tell of strange disks being seen during onsets of the plagues etc...


To the Medieval Mind, such sightings would be portents of forthcoming danger or distress, they rarely saw such events as being 'good'. In modern times, they have been seen before certain events:

UFOs are seen before and after large natural disasters leaving one to speculate that aliens are preventing the planet from blowing up or ... causing the disasters. They are also seen near nuclear reactors and active volcanoes.


Source: http://www.crystalinks.com/ufos.html

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"This apparently mysterious drawing that appears to show a flying traveller, is said by Historians to represent the Sun or Moon."

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ufoart/esp_ovnis_arte_9.htm

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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 10:52 pm » by 1973samtyler


****BUMP*******

For the American members - different time zones and all that! :flop:
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PostFri Jun 08, 2012 11:56 pm » by Switchtrip


They have been hear a long time eh
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