Meet the NWO Religion-The Bahai Faith

Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:48 pm » by **Nakchopoe**

How can a group of people, with a hierarchy and rules, that has temples and other symbols of worship, ever be the good way into peaceful humanity?
Well, maybe it can be peaceful, but not with freedom. Like ballance said, it makes your clock freeze in 1984. Everyone lives in 'peace', takes his pills everyday, does not have pleasure, freedom or the right to disagree (or think for themselves).

The basis of the Bahai, "peace for the whole world" sounds great to me. But please, allow everyone to be in their own power and leave them free to do as they like (without hurting others).

As long as there is a hierarchy and a "One True Prophet" (who's words shall not be denied!), my perfect world can never be achieved.
We were all born from the womb of our mothers, inseminated by the seeds of our fathers. All as a reflection of the whole (and all stuck on this rock we've made a stinky mess on). And thus we are all equal.
And that should give us all the right to find our own truth on our own, without being told what to believe and what not.

Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:54 pm » by **Mrmcnuggets**

nakchopoe wrote:How can a group of people, with a hierarchy and rules, that has temples and other symbols of worship, ever be the good way into peaceful humanity?
Well, maybe it can be peaceful, but not with freedom. Like ballance said, it makes your clock freeze in 1984. Everyone lives in 'peace', takes his pills everyday, does not have pleasure, freedom or the right to disagree (or think for themselves).

The basis of the Bahai, "peace for the whole world" sounds great to me. But please, allow everyone to be in their own power and leave them free to do as they like (without hurting others).

As long as there is a hierarchy and a "One True Prophet" (who's words shall not be denied!), my perfect world can never be achieved.
We were all born from the womb of our mothers, inseminated by the seeds of our fathers. All as a reflection of the whole. And thus we are all equal.
And that should give us all the right to find our own truth on our own, without being told what to believe and what not.

the more people there are, the less freedoms there will have to be to incorporate for the freedoms of everyone. What freedoms will you have when there is a person every sq foot on the planet?... not much, if any at that point, the luck of having a sq foot to your self would be more freedom than those who would not, which would certainly be limited.

this game of life is pretty fuckin gay. :lol:

Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:02 pm » by **Tertiusgaudens**

Now I am very happy having got good and deep infos from here. Thank you all!

Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:06 pm » by **Ballance**

ok, so the bahai welcome any "god".... i wonder what they thinking about me. no god. no believe.(i dont have any believe. im not aware to any kind of "master". i can say the only thing i totaly trust in this world is my awareness. and my awareness tell me to trust only love. my god is love and i am love. so if its inside me.....its inside everyone. any outside "TEMPLE" can only take me away from my real essence.... so do the bahai welcome the NO GOD people???

Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:13 pm » by **Ballance**

harbin wrote:Thank you for this post. Here is a bit more:

Based on "Combatting Cult Mind Control" by Steven Hassan, here are the criteria for determining "cults":

1. How new members are found

Dangerous Cults: With many cults, you don't get to know what you are getting into until after you have made a commitment

Baha'i Faith: There are secrets but these secrets are not known to the poor, innocent, newly converted Baha'is. Does the common baha'i know that the Baha'i Elections are fully controlled by the "All Male, Supreme, All Infallibale, Haifan Organization"? Do they know that these are not spiritual but highly fraud and controlled? there are many secrets and are available on the internet. Search on google for "Pakistan Baha'i Election Fraud", "Baha'i Control on their Electoral System", "Baha'i Election fraud in India".

2. How funding is obtained.

Dangerous Cults: Commercial operations and/or mandatory donations (often large percentages) by members.

Baha'i Faith: Has commercial businesses, businesses associations, huge property investments, heavy bank deposits. They collect money from poor Africans, Indians, Burmese, Nepalis, Pakistanis in the name of Community Banking and then use these funds for proselytizing. Also auctions are held of different used Clothings of Baha'i Leaders for fund raising. If they know about you have money, they (Especially Iranian Baha'is) will start motivating you to give the HUQUQULLAH, which is then transferred to UHJ in Haifa and it is then used to maintain Huge Gardens on Mount Carmel. Ask the Baha'is what they have done for the destitute of Congo and Sudan? Some of the fund is used for Pioneering purpose and it is allocated by the Counselors to its own people, sometimes exceeding 15000 US$ a year. There are huge financial scams in the Baha'i community. Just google to learn more, Search for Baha'i financial scams in Dubai, India, Italy, Pakistan, Africa, Iran etc.

Recently a Saree (cultural dress worn by women in India) of Ruhiyyih Maxwell was auctioned to raise funds for Baha'i activities.

3. Charismatic central figure.

Dangerous Cults: Cults usually have a central living figure who often lives on income from adherents.

Baha'i Faith : "Baha'i Say: There is no clergy, paid or unpaid" Totally false!

There are no clergies but there are Counselors and ABMs. The ABMs are religious Police just like the one in IRAN and the Counselors are purely MULLAHs. They are those conducting difficult and important lectures on the subjects such as Covenant, Huququllah, Covenant Breaking, Baha'i Elections, Ruhi 8 etc. These are Baha'i MULLAHs and everybody is supposed to OBEY them without any questioning. You cannot be critical of them. Otherwise you are considered Critical of UHJ, the Supreme Baha'i Body. These Counselors and ABMs are mostly paid huge amounts for their services. These amounts are called as "Living Assistance". Even the International Counselors are House of Justice members are paid huge amounts collected from the poors in the name of Huququllah.

4. Investigation of truth

Dangerous Cults: Members are often told that it is dangerous to investigate other religions.

Baha'i Say: Baha'is are encouraged to investigate all religions, and to appreciate truth no matter where it is found. Totally Wrong.

Baha'is are strictly not allowed to read the material of other Baha'i Sects. They are told to immediately delete all the emails received by the "Critics" or Baha'is of other denominations. Immediately handover the 'UNREAD' material received by other sects to the Baha'i Mullas (Counselors). As this can damage their so called weak 'covenant'.

5. Behavior control, as defined by Hassan. *

Dangerous Cults: Persons may be told where to live, what to wear, or what (and how much) to eat. Sleep and freedom to travel or move about may be limited

Baha'i Faith: Many Baha'is are Alcoholic (although officially it is prohibited). Shoghi Effendi prohibited the Baha'is from keeping long hairs. There is no freedom of travel. Every now and then guidelines (or Orders?) are issued to the Baha'i from their infallible supreme body. Behavior is fully controlled by the Supreme Baha'i Administrative Bodies. Once Baha'i Administration declares any fellow as a "Covenant Breaker" then other Baha'is are supposed to totally boycott / shun him even if he be your brother.

The advice of UHJ to Baha'is
"There is no excuse for believers continuing to associate with ... and those who, knowing everything, still insist on doing so, should be shunned by their fellow-Bahá'ís. The same applies to people who have left the Cause and associate with ..."

6. Thought control as defined by Hassan. *

Dangerous Cults: There is often use of "thought-stopping" techniques such as chanting or speaking in tongues for long periods of time, setting up a type of hypnotic atmosphere

Baha'i Faith: The "Ruhi Institute" is specially meant to brainwash the newly converted. Read Ruhi Book 6 and 7 and learn yourself. And hypocrisy is the second name of Baha'i faith. See this

7. Emotional control, as defined by Hassan. *

Dangerous Cults: Guilt and fear are often used to control members, including alternating praise and public humiliation or forced confession, and indoctrination against leaving the group. *

Baha'i Faith: Exactly same here, Guilt and fear are often used to control members, including alternating praise and public humiliation (if you are critical of this cult) or forced confession, and indoctrination (Shunning) against leaving the group. Small mistakes are fined with the taking of "Voting / Administrative Rights"

8. What happens when people leave the religion

Dangerous Cults: People who leave cults are often considered to be dangerous and are usually shunned

Baha'i Faith: Exactly Same with the Baha'i Cult. Search the Phrase "Non-association with Covenant-breakers" and read the teachings of Baha'u'llah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi.

"SO BAHA'I FAITH IS ACTUALLY A CULT" "THE MOST HYPOCRITICAL CULT THAT WANTS TO ESTABLISH A NEW WORLD ORDER." NOW WILL YOU SUPPORT IT OR OPPOSE IT?

http://bahaism.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-bahai-faith-is-cult.html

thank you harbin , the information is very intresting. mk ultra and bahai. like bacon and fried eggs!

Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:15 pm » by **Ballance**

tertiusgaudens wrote:Now I am very happy having got good and deep infos from here. Thank you all!

thank you onisan!

Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:30 pm » by **Middleman**

tertiusgaudens wrote:What I can say is the loving kindness I saw among Bahai believers.

Quoted for truth.

I won't profess to knowing much of anything about their beliefs, but there was a Bahai Temple pretty close to the neighborhood where I grew up and lived all through my twenties (in the northern beaches of Sydney), and I can honestly say they're some of the nicest people I've ever met.

Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:54 pm » by **Samuelthemule**

remember jesus said, darkness rules this world.

there are many many lost and deceived people, just trying to be nice and share what they have,
but what they dont realize is that, what they have is infinitely more valuable than what they think they have; e.g the "bahai faith" is just a bunch of concepts and words.

what they really have is their love, compassion and gratitude, which the pass on with kindness to you.

don't fall for it because they are nice and selling it to you.

you have to seperate the subtle from the gross, thick from the thin, emotions from ideas, and recombine them once you have filtered out the toxic waste.

SO I WILL RESTATE, absolutely, you must, you simply have to, take apart the things you read and hear, take them apart, investigate each part, and reassemble.

simply accepting things you are given as truth is a sure fire way to damnation.

never accept or reject anything as a whole.

investigate the details.

yoga gives bondage to fools and liberation to yogis; the only thing you can do is elevate your state of mind to that of a yogi so you are not enslaved, enchained, in "sin" by the things you want to believe.

Simply give up on believing and knowing anything and everything, and the truth will come to you of its own accord.

read the bible.

Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:44 am » by **Nakchopoe**

samuelthemule wrote:what they really have is their love, compassion and gratitude, which the pass on with kindness to you.

Exactly!

middleman wrote:
tertiusgaudens wrote:What I can say is the loving kindness I saw among Bahai believers.

Quoted for truth.

I won't profess to knowing much of anything about their beliefs, but there was a Bahai Temple pretty close to the neighborhood where I grew up and lived all through my twenties (in the northern beaches of Sydney), and I can honestly say they're some of the nicest people I've ever met.

You think they would be less nice and kind people without the Bahai faith?
Every person can be nice and 95% of the people mostly are. You don't need any belief system for that.

Trusting your faith in any religion only gives away a part of your power. I'm not saying it's bad to listen to (so-called) prophets, but in my opinion, it's not wise to stop at the point of listening and obey their words for the rest of your life.

Like samuel said: take them apart and reassemble them with the trash left out.

Or, like Terrence McKenna said: "Go for direct experience. Everything else is unconfirmable rumour. Useless. Probably lies."
Nobody is smarter then you are.

Of course, you shouldn't blindly follow my words either.

mrmcnuggets wrote:the more people there are, the less freedoms there will have to be to incorporate for the freedoms of everyone. What freedoms will you have when there is a person every sq foot on the planet?... not much, if any at that point, the luck of having a sq foot to your self would be more freedom than those who would not, which would certainly be limited.

this game of life is pretty fuckin gay.

If you would stack all persons in this world (even the fat ones) next to each other, standing, you would need about 1500 km² (~580 sq. miles). Knowing that we have about 100.000 times more surface of land on this planet (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/DanielChen.shtml), this shouldn't be our biggest concern. Of course not all is liveable, but since we are developing ways to live on top of each other (skyscrapers) and on the water, I think there is physically enough room for loads and loads of more people here.

Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:43 am » by **Samuelthemule**

go for the direct experience indeed, but also, find a way to filter things so you can find your way to having that direct experience, LOL!

it is like leonardo said: "A painter without a theory is as a sailor without a compass"...

Constantly be matching up and trying to prove/ disprove things you "think you know"...

You really are the smartest person you know, because the only person you can really truly absolutely know is yourself. you are in your own head, and as far as you can really prove, everyone else might be too.

God bless & protect you from deception

the worst deception is the one when you think you are not deceived ;)

if you knew the truth, you would already be totally assimilated with the absolute source.

as for "read the bible", may seem out of place but, seriously, read it...

jesus warns of the coming great deception (anti-christ/new world order/ false prophets/mark of the beast/new global religion) and says,

paraphrasing:

"seek the truth, for the truth shall set you free"

"test every spirit"!

"the above is as the below, the inside as without": see that, when you are totally honest, others will be like-wise with you.

"the way you treat yourself sets a precedent for others around you".

socrates also put it quite simply: KNOW THYSELF!

if you know yourself, you can know and see into others, you can see when someone tries to lie to you. you can see when you are giving your power away. you can see that: all religions are false and all are true: that
Love is the only true re-ligion, the only true binding and uniting force, which reconciles us unto one another. these words are empty and meaningless without love and the value we ascribe to them. the whole universe only exists because of this one divine substance.

Words do not do justice to the world, for the most part, but they are a small holographic template of it. Be very care-full with the words you use

Demand the absolute truth, and reflect on what you have learned, accepted or rejected up until this point

Any and all things can be used to deceive, the fact we have so many ideas, theories, stories and so on, is emblematic of the fact that we do not accept any "one" thing, we, for the most part, reject and throw away what others call holy and true and traditional.

we strive for the "new" because we think there may be some key thing, dis-covered which can help us.
because we have rejected the "old".

the bahai faith is relatively free of taint, so far, but does it really have what other religions have?
Isn't it basically just a compelte NWO hodge-podge of ideas like madam blavatskys theosophy?

what would bahai look like after 2000 years, or 20,000 years?

I challenge you before you join any religion: read the entirety of the testament as if you had never read or heard anything about it before.

does jesus actually say "go and make a religion" at any point whatsoever?
was he not fighting against religion? against "schein-heilig-tum"; pseudo-holiness everywhere?

peace.