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savwafair2012 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:09 pm

And this should shock you WHY? :bang;

Mothers please don't make you son join the Vienna Boys' Choir or any choir for that matter Okay! :flop:

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More ex-Vienna Boys' Choir members allege abuse*

By VERONIKA OLEKSYN
The Associated Press
Wednesday, March 17, 2010; 1:18 PM

VIENNA -- The Vienna Boys' Choir said Wednesday it has heard from eight
possible abuse victims following an initial report of allegations last week.

The famed institution said the men range in age from about 40 to over 70
and contacted the choir through a confidential phone and e-mail hot line
set up Friday after a local newspaper reported that two former members,
both now adults, recalled incidents of sexual abuse and "merciless
discipline."

Tina Breckwoldt, who is responsible for the hotline, declined to
disclose whether the eight abuse allegations are sexual, physical or
psychological in nature and whether the alleged perpetrators were adults
or other choir members.

"No one can undo injustice," the choir said. "At the moment, listening
is most important."

The Vienna Boys' Choir is not church-affiliated. Many boys live in
dormitories while singing away from their families. They also travel
frequently.

The choir said on its Web site that it was taking the allegations very
seriously. In an open letter to parents, choir members, staff and alumni
dated March 12 it said that "this kind of abuse, even if it took place
in the past, constitutes an injustice that we deeply regret and that
must and want to face."

The allegations coincide with an ongoing string of abuse claims against
members of Austria's Catholic church.

In last week's article by the Der Standard newspaper, a 33-year-old who
now lives in Berlin was cited as saying he and others were pressured to
thoroughly wash their genitals in the shower while supervisors watched.
He also said an older choir member forced him to perform oral sex at one
point while he was a member of the choir from 1985 to 1987.

Another member, described as a 51-year-old psychologist living in Munich
who sang with the group between 1966 and 1970, said a choir master
rested his hand on his thigh for an hour while on a bus tour.

Both men recalled sexual and violent assaults by educators or older
students on 9- to 14-year-olds, Der Standard reported.

lucidlemondrop · **Joined:** Sat May 30, 2009 7:37 am **Posts:** 7415

I hate to be so cynical here........

But.........

Parents........don't assume your child is safe just because they are being watched over by someone deemed a community leader or an institution with a longtime reputation..........

How often do we hear about the boy scout leader, the sunday school teacher, public school teacher, neighbor, grandfather, babysitter...........That were just so "attentive" and "took a special liking" to a child.

And fact is children between the ages of 11 and 14 are so vulnerable to the right approach, they want to be older than they are and often these perps will allow them privileges that they don't usually get, like beer, porn magazines, to gain the trust of the child which most times results in the kid not ever telling anyone because they freely participated not understanding the manipulation involved. And fact............kids have urges at that age and are very vulnerable. Shame isn't it so many will take advantage of natural hormonal changes with young kids.

Oh sorry.................

This is just a pet peeve of mine...............Protect your kids.........talk to them.........let the adults know that your child is aware of inappropriate behaviors so as not to be an easy mark. So many parents are just so damn glad someone else is doing their job with their child they are blind to the potential risk.

Yeah, so it's the Vienna Boy's Choir this time.................

Watch your kids and ask them questions when adults have opportunity..........Don't be naive.....One in four kids report being molested...........Imagine the real stats.........

savwafair2012 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:39 pm

and so eloquently put too :flop:

sockpuppet · **Joined:** Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:27 am **Posts:** 4825

6-8 is another vulnerable window...

lucidlemondrop · **Joined:** Sat May 30, 2009 7:37 am **Posts:** 7415

sockpuppet wrote:

:flop:

6-8 is another vulnerable window...

And then the real young ones cause they can't tell........

There are certain things as far as thoughts that people just can't allow themselves to ponder or entertain because the mind can take over the judgment.

My brother who I haven't talked to in about 20 years called me up the other night and was telling me about some family member he was farmed out to doing something to him and his brother..........He is 35 years old and still wanting revenge...............The effects are so much greater than people think.

Enough of this I suppose............I am sorry for those kids who were taken advantage of like that while trying to do something positive like make music.

Ever see that movie called Doubt? That will really make you question all angles in that case.................Good movie.

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