nihilgeist wrote:phaeton wrote:
You are one highly conditioned, misinformed, sick individual.
Well done sir.
This story has:
A - no bearing whatsoever on Islam / religion;
B - no bearing whatsoever on the inhabitants of the countries the US bombed / nuked for oil.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.htmlHONOR KILLING: ISLAM'S GRUESOME GALLERY
Another young woman tortured and murdered to add to the gruesome gallery..... The horror of these young girls terror stricken victims, who live in homemade concentration camps is given the imprimatur of the West in its complicit silence - the urbane face of bloodthirsty savagery. The West looks away and more girls lead desperate, brutal lives. The "Feminists" look away and pretend it is outside the realm of women's rights- leftists tools of Islamic jihad.. These useful idiots are on someone's payroll or they fear Islam. Either way, get out of the way. Shame on all of you for failing our women, our children, our girls, our very way of life. How dare they throw our superior culture with both hands.
May Jessica Mokdad: Islamic Honor Killing in MichiganMay 4, 2011
20-year-old Woman Dead; Stepfather Charged with Murder: MyFoxDETROIT.com
Honor Killing in Michigan: Rahim Alfetlawi Murders Step-Daughter Jessica Mokdad for Not Following Islam hat tip Answering Muslims
At least there's a good chance of justice in the city of Warren. In Dearborn, police are being sued for covering up honor killings in an act of self enforced sharia and also to preserve the city's reputation.
Februrary 2011: Honor killing of Täter Harun in Germany. "By about 22 clock he confessed to the horrific bloodbath" with more than 100 stab wounds in the 21 year mother-to-be. The child died as well.
Harry Potter star, Afshan Azad, badly beaten by her father Abdul Azad, and his son Ashraf attempted honor killing earlier this month because of her relationship with a Hindu man.
November 2, 'o9: Noor Almaleki is Dead Run over by her Muslim father for being too "westernized", she lingered for days.
Police in Kingston, Ontario, charged three Montrealers, Mohammed Shafia, his wife Tooba and their 18-year-old son Hamed with a shocking crime. The trio are accused of mass murder, the killing of three of the couple's teenage daughters, including their eldest child, Zainab, 19, (above left, in a photo taken in 2007 in the United Arab Emirates with her friend Zubaida Siddique) and Rona Amir Mohammed, a 50-year-old woman who was Shafia's secret, first wife.
Honor killings on the rise in the West. The media gags itself and throws women under the bus.
Tulay Goren: Schoolgirl 'was tortured by her father' before she was murdered in Muslim honour killing
Notice the man's face is protected and the victims of these "honor" murders are always beautiful.
The depraved murder Önder B. und Müjde
"Canada" Honor Killings of Four Muslim Girls in Canada: "The girls were not allowed to go out alone, for example, neither to the cinema nor to meet friends and they were not able to dress freely"
Feroz Mangal and Khatera Sadiqi were shot by Khatera's brother as they sat in a parked car at the Elmvale Acres shopping plaza .
Sisters: Yasmine (right) and Sabrina Larbi-Cherif were allegedly killed by Yasmine's boyfriend Mohammed Ali
Ayman Udas Poet and Artist
Gulsen P: GERMANY: HONOR KILLING VICTIM'S FACE "BEATEN BEYOND RECOGNITION"
UK: Muslim Husband Convicted of Murdering His Abused Wife....... Sabina Akhtar
Aasiya Hassan had her head chopped off by her "moderate" Muslim husband
Sahar Daftary UK
Lidia Motylska, 19, Leeds
Amina and Sarah, the Said sisters - raped and murdered by their Muslim father - still at large.
Amina & Sarah Said. "Please don't tell my Father!"
Sandeela Kanwal, 25, was found dead on her bedroom floor last July. Her father told police he strangled his daughter with a bungee cord because she wanted a divorce.
Morsal Obeidi (stabbed to death 23 times by her brother - for "turning away from her family").
Bloody hell, that is some fucked up shit.
beanspiller wrote:though i dont condone any father killing his own daughter i feel none of these men have done what they have done without a great sense of loss(i dont care what they say about no regrets).but we need to consider what made them snap.western ways? most of the time.and the fear is justifiable.drugs ,drink,mindless sex,you name it its there .we need to be on two sides of planet.and whatsmore us needs to stop bullying arab /muslim countries and concentrate on cleaning up thier act.the usa is well messed up and no example of family life ,how can they give example to musilim society.believe it or not i have always been a racist and refused to date several indian girls in school lucky for them ,know i am waking up to the lies i have swallowed for years.
Sorry mate but your view seems to be very limited and extermely ignorant, The killing was an honour killing. Not done for the honour of anybody but the male members of the family because the daughter had brought the MALE family name into so called disrepute. Condoning such an actfor any mislead reason is wrong...Read the facts mate... I live in birmingham UK I have many friends in the asian community and honour killings are a fact.. Such a problem that the police have set up a unit to SUPPOSEDLY deal with them. A great sense of loss, dont be daft, What these men have tried to get is a great deal of relief by murdering their daughters in the name of honour. And I do agree with an earlier post that this problem is not just a problem in the asian community...
So of course, honour killings are due to religion.
faustian wrote:You can't seperate religious 'culture' from religion itself. Just because the Koran doesn't mention honour killings, doesn't mean it's not an integral part of the religion itself. Koran does not equal islam. These men have obviously made a connection between God and honour killings, for them the two are inextricably linked. They have grown up with a religion that sees women as little more than property, which is why in highly religious areas this tribal tradition has stayed alive, in a place where it's a little easier to kill a woman as she's not even fully human. Why are there still not honour killings in Rome? The enlightenment. Western civilization. Religious reform.
So of course, honour killings are due to religion.
faustian. A very courageous first post We are not talking about race or culture... We are talking about religous ignorance
faustian wrote:Hehe, thanks, I joined to reply to this thread. I know what you're talking about, I meant some people (such as phaeton) in this thread are trying to seperate honour killings from religion and put it down to culture and ancient tribal practices, what I'm arguing is that religion has everything to do with modern honour killings by sustaining such practices in the hate filled misogynistic environment it creates, which is why this killing has died out in more enlightened societies.
For some strange reason sites like this attract an awful amount of religious fundamentalists... I am pleased that we have a newbie who will question the function and practice of some of these beliefs and the almost blind following of ancient pagan texts.
A sick fuck is a sick fuck is a sick fuck. As I have said before, religion/belief systems, can be good or detrimental depending on how one uses them. It is sad that many choose to use it as a tool to of detriment to themselves and others as well as a tool of justification of their own sicknesses.
Still, if one cannot use religion or other thought processes such as philosophy, psychology, etc. ...as a tool to beneficially improve themselves for the betterment of themselves and/or their fellow human beings...then it isn't worth the paper it is written on.
Blame religion all one wants...but I tend to see it as actions individuals take. By blaming their religion or beliefs...it can at times seem to remove something from the individual and their chosen action whereby religion becomes the "scapegoat" or the "swine" into which demons are cast. Of course I see Christians doing this as well with the Jesus Crucifixion...the dump all their "evil doings" upon this and believe themselves "saved" or vanquished of their "sins". If only they could see this was an example of self sacrifice for others and an example for them to follow...there might be some saving grace.
Go ahead and review the history of atheist states.
Now tell me if they have a right to cast the first stone.
This part of the wiki sickens me as I am a freemason...
Mexico under Plutarco Elías Calles
See also: Plutarco Elías Calles, Calles Law, and Cristero War
The Mexican Constitution of 1917's Articles 3, 5, 24, 27, and 130 as originally enacted were anticlerical and "enormously" restricted religious freedoms. At first the anticlerical provisions were only sporadically enforced, but when President Plutarco Calles took office, he enforced the provisions strictly. Calles’ Mexico has been characterized as an atheist state and his program as being one to eradicate religion in Mexico.
All religions, had their properties appropriated and these became part of government wealth. There was a forced expulsion of foreign clergy and the seizure of Church properties. Article 27 prohibited any future acquisition of such property by the churches, and ordered the closing of all church-run primary schools (article 4). This second prohibition was sometimes interpreted to mean that the Church could not even give religious instruction to children within the churches on Sundays, effectively destroying the ability of Catholics to be educated in their own religion.
The Constitution of 1917 also closed and forbade the existence of monastic orders (article 5), forbade any religious activity outside of church buildings (now owned by the government), and mandated that such religious activity would be overseen by the government (article 24).
Cristeros hanged in Jalisco.
On June 14, 1926, President Calles enacted an anticlerical legislation known formally as The Law Reforming the Penal Code and unofficially as the Calles Law. His anti-Catholic actions included outlawing religious orders, depriving the Church of property rights and depriving the clergy of civil liberties, including their right to trial by jury (in cases involving anti-clerical laws) and the right to vote. Catholic antipathy towards Calles was enhanced because of his vocal atheism. He was also a Freemason. Regarding this period, recent President Vicente Fox stated, "After 1917, Mexico was led by anti-Catholic Freemasons who tried to evoke the anticlerical spirit of popular indigenous President Benito Juárez of the 1880s. But the military dictators of the 1920s were a more savage lot than Juarez." 
Due to the strict enforcement of anti-clerical laws, people in strongly Catholic areas, especially the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Guanajuato, Colima and Michoacán, began to oppose him, and this opposition led to the Cristero War from 1926 to 1929, which was characterized by brutal atrocities by both sides. Some Cristeros applied terrorist tactics, while the Mexican government persecuted the clergy, killing suspected Cristeros and supporters and often retaliating against innocent individuals. On May 28, 1926, Calles was awarded a medal of merit from the head of Mexico's Scottish rite of Freemasonry for his actions against the Catholics.
A truce was negotiated with the assistance of U.S. Ambassador Dwight Whitney Morrow. Calles, however, did not abide by the terms of the truce – in violation of its terms, he had approximately 500 Cristero leaders and 5,000 other Cristeros shot, frequently in their homes in front of their spouses and children. Particularly offensive to Catholics after the supposed truce was Calles' insistence on a complete state monopoly on education, suppressing all Catholic education and introducing "socialist" education in its place: "We must enter and take possession of the mind of childhood, the mind of youth.". The persecution continued as Calles maintained control under his Maximato and did not relent until 1940, when President Manuel Ávila Camacho, a believing Catholic, took office. This attempted to indoctrinate the youth in atheism was begun in 1934 by amending Article 3 to the Mexican Constitution to eradicate religion by mandating "socialist education", which "in addition to removing all religious doctrine" would "combat fanaticism and prejudices", "build[ing] in the youth a rational and exact concept of the universe and of social life". In 1946 this "socialist education" was removed from the constitution and the document returned to the less egregious generalized secular education. The effects of the war on the Church were profound. Between 1926 and 1934 at least 40 priests were killed. Where there were 4,500 priests serving the people before the rebellion, in 1934 there were only 334 priests licensed by the government to serve fifteen million people, the rest having been eliminated by emigration, expulsion, and assassination. By 1935, 17 states had no priest at all.
Although this particular "mason" and the actions taken by the Scottish Rite sickens me (based merely on reading the Wiki info provided) ...I do not blame Freemasonry.....I hold the individuals accountable. It is not Masonry's fault. The fault lies with those involved whether mason or not. Just more sick fucks all around. Odd to see a mason persecute a relgious sect when a Mason must believe in a Supreme Being to be a mason. Freemasonry also teaches tolerance...but like all individuals and groups...many do not practice what they preach.
So secular or religious matters not....there is always sick fucks afoot.
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