my god, what if hawkins is right

Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:11 am » by **Lowsix**

santaownsyou wrote:I never said I was an atheist, and I still think your point is invalid. Just throwing up some random statistics from encyclopedia Britannica showing the number of confessed atheists vs. confessed religious people in no way adds any more weight to your argument. I just used atheists as an example, for the validity of you argument to be true, they would all have to be blood thirsty lunatics, which they are not.

Yeah i saw i incorrectly attributed you with atehism. rgr.

And im not arguing about your opinion, just the process..

And those statistics completely vindicate my position.

But just becuase 3% of a population isnt violent due to self control,
doesnt mean that the other 97% who DO have beliefs arent being positively influenced by those beliefs..

Thats a total logical fracture.
One conclusion cant come from the other.

And @grows..
what makes you say that agnosticism is wrong headed?

Just curious.

Doesnt that make it also the most honest, in terms of a western mind?

Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:07 am » by **Grows**

It is a more honest belief system. There is some play in the definition of agnostic, but generally I've found that beyond not knowing, there is the belief that the truth of God is unknowable.

Here's one definition "Agnosticism is the position of believing that knowledge of the existence or non-existence of god is impossible."

Perhaps it is possible... I don't know. Not knowing whether there is a God or not, how would I know whether it was possible to know or not?

Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:05 am » by **Belmontrose**

It means you must come to the realization that YOU determine your destiny. It means accepting that nothing is for certain, that random acts can change the entire course of your planned existence. How you react to those unanticipated events (positive and negative) IS within your control. You must be centered, treat your body with the care and respect you expect from others, and find meaning in loving, peaceful relationships with humans and other species of life. You must cherish our planet and its marvelous diversity in the millions of interrelated ecosystems.

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:26 pm » by **Ogmios**

I was raised a catholic but like most of my generation rejected the dogmatism of organised religion. That's not to say I believe or disbelieve in God. To my mind, the only reasonable position to assume is one of agnosticism.

But what about all these catholic priests who abuse children? If they truly believed in God then they could not commit these acts because they'd know that God was watching them all the time and their punishment would be eternal damnation. A more disturbing idea is that these priests don't think they are doing anything wrong.

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:46 pm » by **zinzana**

osho left his body in 1989 so that clip is more than 21 yrs old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjOnYbKJJw

Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:45 pm » by **Memccool**

What you mean what if there is no god?
You are alive and living right now and there is not any god, so wat difference does it make?

Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:27 am » by **Buhdoo**

Lowsix i do agree with all of your points..

So perhaps then the very reason we fail together is because its 'human' to be competitive?

Survival of the fittest?

Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:34 am » by **Flecktarn**

otomon wrote:
icarus1 wrote:what if there is no god? where does that leave us?

Religion promises rewards for following their laws,if religion does not exists people will simply have to follow their own laws,do you really need to live for all eternity in heaven? What about just being happy now and making the most of the short time you do have?

well said

Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:41 am » by **Anuki**

icarus1 wrote:what if there is no god? where does that leave us?

Who cares...
Does our destiny change if we do, or don't, believe in a god?

Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:44 am » by **Otomon**

anuki wrote:
icarus1 wrote:what if there is no god? where does that leave us?

Who cares...
Does our destiny change if we do, or don't, believe in a god?

I heard if you don't believe in God you cant have kids.